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Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

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posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 09:14 AM

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by itchy_tartan_blanket

So you like my post. Thanks.
Again...let me repeat this, you surely cannot refute on this thread, try as you might...

Just because there is no evidence of a crime, (nor even proof), this does not mean a crime did not occur.

In many cases it means the proof as well as any incriminating evidence was ignored, concealed, or killed off. In the area of UFO study there is also support in covering up by turning real events into comic books or bizarre, tabloid news stories.

Why would all these governments and agencies bother launching such a massive global conspiracy?...The reason used in inner circles is...They are afraid we will go all "War of The Worlds" on them and start leaping off skyscrapers.
This is why we cannot be responsible with the information. You don't make that kind of mistake twice.
Though the real reason, I personally think... is a bit more sinister...

And what you say me be true if there was proof of alien visitation. Seemingly other-world technologies are being developed as we speak to ensure that certain powerful humans can "become Gods". There was a thread on ATS only a couple of days ago but I cannot seem to find it now. If anyone can help that'd be great.

There were resources on the thread to verify peoples ambitions to make themselves powerful by genetic modifications, incerasing life-span, merging man with machine, AI Soldier development, that kinda thing. One of the scientists interviewed said something along the lines of "just try and stop us trying to become Gods. We will destroy you."

Who is to say that guys like that aren't behind the development of these UFO's people see? The OP of that post provided links that lead to multiple sources and videos of people admitting their agenda, websites of companies and corporations advertising their future goals, corporate videos highlighting how they are going to achieve their goals using technology and manipulation - that scenario COULD be an explanation for UFO's wrongly claimed to be alien vessels. We just don't know. It could also explain the cloak and dagger behaviour and cover-ups. Again, we just don't KNOW.

Look, we have similar beliefs but go about them in different ways and we'd have to agree to disagree. If half-truths and conjecture is enough for people to know something as fact then fine. That is up to you and everyone else who feels the same. I'm not going to try to change your minds. I'm only trying to let you guys see things from a different point of view. For me, as I mentioned before, that isn't good enough for my own curiosities and peace of mind.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 10:46 AM
reply to post by itchy_tartan_blanket

Who is to say guys like that aren't behind the development of UFO's People see?

Actually these guys say it, and I tend to believe them...

Edgar Mitchell

Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14 Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed. Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.' He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.
Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission. 'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. 'It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. Read more:

Gordon Cooper, Mercury Astronaut

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity. "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth" he told a United Nations panel in 1985. "I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion" He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us"

Ed White & James McDivitt

In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.

James Lovell and Frank Borman

In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.

James Lovell

It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."

Neil Armstrong & Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin

According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

NASA employee Otto Binder

According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: NASA: Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Neil Armstrong

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium. Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor: How do you mean "warned off"? Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station. Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11? Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public -- because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

Donald Slayton

Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

Major Robert White

Major Robert White On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported: "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thirty to forty feet away." Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

NASA Pilot Joseph A. Walker

NASA Pilot Joseph A. Walker On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washington he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker

Commander Eugene Cernan

Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 11:58 AM
Athra... I mean James...

You're so far down the rabbit hole that there's no point in rebutting your long winded guff. You're too far gone my good man! However I have one more thing to say...

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
By the way, when I was in college, one of my professors show us the math proof that 2+2=5.

I rest my case!


posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 12:57 PM
reply to post by EsSeeEye

you make good points of course, but I will describe the things i witnessed, in the hope that somebody else may have seen something similar.

age 9 - walking home from school, me and a friend saw 2 parallel bright purple lines 'draw' themselves in the sky, then as we gasped in confusion, the same thing happened at a perfect right-angle to the original lines, and ended with a bright diffuse light. sorry , no little green men or silver orb but in 40 years of skywatching, airport surveillance and study of physics, ive never been able to explain it. can you?

age 18 - classic silver orb, surface seemed like undulating metallic liquid, maybe 5 metres across, hovering 20 metres over an autocarwash at a local petrol station. viewed from a distance of maybe 50 metres away, shared sighting with 3 or 4 friends, all saw the same thing for a duration of less than 10 seconds. object just faded away in about 2 seconds and we all stayed there for an hour trying to rationalise it. we couldnt. can you?

age 33 - exiting a motorway in a car, on one of those almost 360 degree exit ramps, there appeared in the middle of the rough scrub what looked like a translucent 'shimmering' ball of smoke, 5 metres across. it changed appearance as i watched, trying to gain 'solidity' or opacity, it was not smoke, but is the closest thing i can find to describe it. this thing glimmered and sparkled as if electrically charged, and its structure seemed to 'fold' in on itself repeatedly as it grew to double its original noted size. it seemed to fail in its attempt to materialise and eventually collapsed upon itself rapidly.. the whole process took maybe 6 or 7 seconds and it was in my field of vision completely for the whole time, as i was circling it to get on the other motorway. this location is app. 2 miles from my home so needless to say, ive been back many times, in car and on foot to try to get a repeat performance, none came. i can't explain that visual phenomenon, can you?

yes i appreciate these are not evidence of 'alien' visitiation, but neither were they project bluebeam, chinese lanterns or adobe after effects.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 01:11 PM
reply to post by itchy_tartan_blanket

yes i've seen 3 UNIDENTIFIED phenomena, i would love to tell you that i got the full flight of the navigator experience, but i didnt. my point is that until a person sees something they cant explain, then i guess everything is debunkable in a pragmatic world, you only have my word for all this so i know it doesnt help the OP in his search for verification, i just wanted to share it with you.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 01:29 PM

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Athra... I mean James...

You're so far down the rabbit hole that there's no point in rebutting your long winded guff. You're too far gone my good man! However I have one more thing to say...

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
By the way, when I was in college, one of my professors show us the math proof that 2+2=5.

I rest my case!



Let x be a non-zero number, and set y=x. Thus:

x = y
x^2 = xy
x^2-y^2 = xy-y^2
(x+y)(x-y) = y(x-y)
x+y = y
2y = y
2 = 1
1 = 0

Now since 2+2 = 2+2+0 and we apply the lemma proof so that 0 = 1, 2+2+0 = 2+2+1 =5

2+2 = 5

Sorry y'all, but he asked for it.

Now then IRM, first a request; please don't introduct my terrestrial name here.

Second, the only you will not rebutt my claims and evidence is because you can't.

Oh ... if you think the above math proof is BS, you're right, however it is valid.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

Arthur Dromedary.....

Just for the record.....

How do YOU spell "Andromeda", you cute little alien genius, you.....?

Yours in alieness
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 17-7-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Ya know ... it would br really nice if you didn't abuse my name.

Actually I spel andromeda the same way you do. I've not seen it written in my peoples language, though I have heard it. I seriously doubt I could render it in English.

One of my family members just majored in genetics at a prestigious university.

I might ask that family member to have a look at your proof of being a dromedarian lifeform.

Grats to your family member. New grad I presume?

There may be some issues with that; many, perhaps most Biologists don't look very far under the surface of any evidence unless they are motivated to do so. Thus, when viewing my evidence they stop at saying "looks Human".

Its true, on the surface it does look Human. Unfortunately so would Chimpanzee DNA tested the way most labs do their testing. After talking to a couple of Biologists (PhD's) I found that the "primers" used by many labs are not quite Human only primers. Meaning that they can also amplify other species DNA if present, these other markers can show up in the results, and if simply close (as in the case of a Chimpanzee) may "look" like they belong to a Human. This isn't normally an issue since most labs know that there is little to no chance of contamination of the sample. However, in a case like mine, where there may be markers 'close' to Human, they may show up and try to "fool" all of us. I thought about getting a sample from a Chimp at the Dallas Zoo, but, I can barely afford test myself, let alone some Chimp just to prove a point.

Anyway, perhaps you should ask anyway. The response could be enlightening.

Y'all have a nice day now, hear. [no ... I haven't play StarCraft in nearly 10 years]

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 02:45 PM
I wish you two would agree to disagree so people could see and comment on my post about the astronauts. Pleeeese.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 02:53 PM
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

so you have gone from anthrandromeda to arthur dromder to james.
From now on I think we should call you "JAMES THE ALIEN"
While i cant believe your still pretending to be ALF.
Would you mind starting another thread where you can present your evidence and starcraft pics and then you can pretend to be an alien all you want , I assume you get wi fi on your spaceship...

But you know what ? If you actually presented the dna data alone you would have a lot of support and the thread woud be great and a lot of people would be interested . but the fact that you have brought all the telepathic alien empire that only you can see and hear has really bit you in the ass . Please give up and either present your dna on its own or sell the movie rights to SyFy and then you can live happily ever after. oh but dont tell me , the goverment wont let the information out because no one one earth can know about the aliens apart from James the alien and the invisible empire

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

Come on please!
Enough of the " I,m an alien", "no you are not" routine!
start your own threads , that's fair.
U2U each other, it's become very, very, BORING!

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 03:22 PM
reply to post by OldDragger

I hereby end the conversation with james the alien, though he will no doubt reply with some more "data" , im done with it

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 03:23 PM
reply to post by mackblack27

Thank you!

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 03:34 PM
reply to post by rusethorcain

I thought this thread was about pictures. Oh well, here we go again...

Edgar Mitchell has no personal experience with ETs. He is welcome to his opinions on the subject and to the trust he places in his unnamed sources.

Gordon Cooper was welcome to his opinions

Ed White was asleep at the time that Jim McDivitt saw what he saw. You'd think he would have woken him up if he thought he was seeing an alien spaceship.

James Lovell and Frank Borman on Gemini VII. There was no UFO.

"Right after we got into orbit we were supposed to "station keep' or fly formation with the booster," Borman says. "We were flying formation and taking photographs and infrared measurements and I started calling it a "bogey,' which is an old fighter pilot term. Well, a lot of the UFO freaks on the ground picked this up and said we had seen a UFO because we had referred to our booster as a bogey. Just this past year I got a call from a producer at "Unsolved Mysteries" and they said, "We read your account about your seeing a UFO on Gemini 7 and would you come on the program?' I told them: "I'd love to come on your program because I'd love to straighten that out.' I explained what it was I saw and I said, "I don't think there were UFOs,' and the producer said, "Well, I'm not sure we want you on the program.' "
He saw the booster and debris left as a result of the separation.

Yes, James Lovell did make that Santa Claus comment on December 25, 1968. Walter Schirra started the joke a few years before.

On the Gemini 6 flight, Schirra and crew mate Thomas Stafford reported to Mission Control (completely deadpan) that they'd seen "some kind of UFO" consisting of "a command module and eight smaller modules in front. The pilot of the command module is wearing a red suit" (Santa Claus). Then, they played "Jingle Bells" on a harmonica and a set of sleigh bells they'd smuggled aboard with them.

Great, a completely unsubstantiated claim about Armstrong and Aldrin.

"Mission Control calling Apollo 11". Right.
Look for a single example of that verbiage being used in any communication, you won't find it. The only voice protocol is, "Apollo 11, Houston". That's it, not "Mission Control", not "calling". And while you look at the real transcripts, try finding any evidence that Otto Binder ever was a NASA employee. You won't find that either, he wasn't.

Yes, Deke Slayton filed a Project Blue Book report on his sighting. Here is what he said about it in his autobiography.

My position is, I don't know what it was: it was unidentified. Maybe what I saw was the company's weather balloon-maybe the object going four thousand miles an hour to these guys on the ground was me. Maybe there was something about the environment and the setup that confused me. I don't know. Or it could have been something unknown. (I don't automatically presume that it came from Alpha Centauri, just because I can't identify it.). It's still an open question to me.

I have not been able to locate the Time Magazine article in which Robert White made that statement. I would like to see the full context.

I would like to see the full context of Joseph Walker's alleged statements.

Eugene Cernan is welcome to his opinion.

So, what do we have. Opinions, distortions, lies, unsubstantiated claims, and out of context statements. The banes of UFO research.

[edit on 7/17/2010 by Phage]

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 04:48 PM
reply to post by rusethorcain

The reply is nothing to do with the quote if you put it in the context it was used. But, never mind.

All you've posted are accounts and none can confirm that they seen an alien vessel. Just a UFO and we've gone over the meaning of that acronym so many times but you and others keep posting accounts of UFO's sightings as proof of alien visitation. The Armstrong and Aldrin one even states itself that...

"According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969."

James McDivitt admitted that he believes he seen the refelctions of bolts. That is even on wikipedia. There are many sites out there that can offer perfectly good, but boring explanations to many "high-profile" sightings by pilots and astronauts.

The so-called professor that wished to remain anonymous--- pffft. What sort of credibility does he have that he would disclose details of a private conversation but not show his face? Armstrong will know who he is.

Edgar Mitchell also claims he was healed of kidney cancer by a guy who did it remotely. Another claim that he cannot prove.

And if these ships did land next to the Eagle in '69, then perhaps there will be some evidence of a landing in the photos? Perhaps someone will have noticed some discrepancies?

The rest only described seeing something. Not vessels or aliens filming them from inside their craft to post online back home. One even went as far to say that he thought he saw a weather balloon.

Major White said he seen something greyish in colour and only 30-40 feet away. That's not far and not exactly a detailed description for a pilot who I reckon would have 20/20 vision.

It's unconfirmed. Hearsay. Conjecture. Like all the other arguments on this thread. Half truths. That's enough for you...fine. But as I said, we have to agree to disagree. I don't want to change your mind. It can only happen if you choose to open up your mind to the possibility that you can be wrong just as much as you can be right.
Especially with incomplete and inconclusive data....

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 04:53 PM
oh and many of these so-called accounts by astronauts and pilots have been taken out of context by journalists and never retracted which has led to all these stories over the last 50 years.

It's like the amount of people who believe that Osama bin Laden's threats on his "videos" are true and he has made these threats.

"it is true because it's on the TV"

"it is true because it was in the newspapers, in a book"

"it is true because that politician/army guy said it's true"

you get the message?

Yet it has been proven and admitted that the videos are false.

Just because lots of people say something, and lots of people take it as gospel, does not make it gospel. People are so easily led.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:02 PM

Originally posted by rusethorcain
I wish you two would agree to disagree so people could see and comment on my post about the astronauts. Pleeeese.

You ask others to agree to disagree but when I say the same to you, you ignore it? Interesting. Even more so that you are wanting a response to something that has been gone over many times on this thread - peoples word doesn't mean anything. It does not constitute PROOF. In fact, it doesn't even constitute evidence when almost all of the accounts you posted have been proven to be false or just taken completely out of context.

Can we finally agree to disagree?

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:33 PM
Where exactly is your evidence in regards to debunking every UFO sighting, I mean besides claiming that it isn't real? As you should know simply dismissing all reported cases off hand, claiming them "fake" or "fixed" is hardly an argument.

I respect your skepticism, though you are entirely too skeptic. What you call fake may be undeniable proof to others, you may even offend those who have claimed to have encountered extraterrestrials. There in fact could be extraterrestrials, on the other hand there could not. Are those actually UFOs, or are they nothing more than advanced military aircraft? Are all of these encounters real, or are they mere exaggerated and well coordinated fables?

Claiming any and every reported, and in fact unreported case fake is faith in itself, mind you we weren't there to neither confirm nor deny the encounter or the event, the only thing we can do is take in the information, collaborate it with current data and wait for more solid and definitive support to settle this. Or perhaps work for the government, if there are any extraterrestrials the government should have information on this subject. However, it isn't easy at all to get a Top secret security clearance or even the need to know for sensitive information.

I can't prove to you that they exist even though I'm not sure if they do, however you can't prove to me that they don't. Keep an open mind, because there is a lot more to this subject than what you believe are hoaxes.

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 05:39 PM
reply to post by jrmygray

you may even offend those who have claimed to have encountered extraterrestrials.


A great example of the dumbing down of education, thought and intelligence in modern society.
Sure, just accept peoples stories at face value, because you wouldn't want to offend anybody!!

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Fryaga
reply to post by alienreality

Wow. I have never seen that before - do you have any more information in regards to that photograph?

*edit - and in terms of "absolute" proof, rather what you are looking for specifically OP, it would be nice...just don't think we have it.

- Fry

[edit on 10-7-2010 by Fryaga]

its a old soviet propaganda photo, like jesus riding a dinosaur, been debunked, if you havent seen it before you arent that big of a ufo buff, its been on history channel and other networks even.

the debris field and the trees in the fake crash are not proper....

posted on Jul, 17 2010 @ 06:12 PM
How exactly was only part of my statement advocating gullibility? How in any way did I indicate that anyone should take any story at face value and believe it?

That point in which you didn't understand was that the only thing that your complete dismissal of all claims with no support will offend people. No, not because you don't believe, it's simply because doing so with no support shows closed-mindedness to some and complete ignorance to others. Point is your lack of an argument supporting your belief would be blatant, not to mention annoying.

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