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Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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Enough is a enough... Here is what you seek. And please... moderator.. close this ridiculous thread that is making EVERYONE repost what's already posted on this forum.

The original OP and his tag along friend simply are acting immature by demanding evidence of that which cannot be proven.

First off look at UFOLOGY

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Ufology is a neologism coined to describe the collective efforts of those who study unidentified flying object (UFO) reports and associated evidence. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufology

The study of UFOs
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ufology

Ufologists - The following is a worldwide list of Ufologists (UFO researchers).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufologists

ufological - Of or pertaining to ufology
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ufological

ufologist - A person who studies UFOs
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ufologist

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SECOND

There is NO proof that aliens exist THAT can be PROVEN to be REAL.

There is NO proof that UFO's are at any % of the time in fact UFO's.

There is NO proof that alien visitation has occured to any paticular individual who can provide substantial proof that it really occured.

There is NO proof that the government asside from military-standard coverups regarding their OWN test flights, is covering up ANYTHING related to ALIENS.

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THIRD

If there was proof, it has not been properly distributed to any source that would make it publically known, nor would it be due to the belief system that makes up for 90% of the world who believe in religions rather than science. Any real evidence would be deemed "fake" by people, not by the government. "The child has cried wolf on so many occassions, that when one bit him in the leg, and he shouted, people just laughed"

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FOURTH AND FINAL

What you seek here, OP and Company, YOU WILL NOT FIND.

What you WILL FIND... are stories of the unexplained.
What you WILL FIND... are pictures that make you laugh.
What you WILL FIND... are videos that make or don't no sense.
What you WILL FIND... are PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE.
What you WILL FIND... is ATS.

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Now close this thread.




posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by diamount

Originally posted by DGFenrir

Originally posted by diamount
thanks a lot mr close minded


At least I still have my brain..


Yeah like every human, shame you don't use it then, eh?


I am using it. I base my opinions on facts not belief.

I know your posted stories and nothing in them supports ET involvement.

[edit on 11/7/2010 by DGFenrir]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by hypattia
reply to post by Master Shen long
 


Why would an advanced intelligence sneak around, for all these years?




I'd say, that if they've developed interplanetary or even more probably intergalactic travel, they have probably been around the block a few times so to speak. I feel that if you're around that long, then you must have figured a few things out, like how not to kill themselves on their original planet. This may not even be correct, maybe it took the destruction of their planet or their ecosystems to realize they can't just fight, kill and destroy everything without consequence. And if they're neutral or benevolent, perhaps they sneak around because of probable reasons of non-interventionism. Perhaps, they feel that in order to be shown some respect we actually need to earn it (what a strange concept eh?) and to do that, we need to stop lying to our citizens, we need to stop destroying our planet and our brothers/sisters, its a simple concept that most of us 'intelligent beings' still fail to grasp; we need to live with our neighbors, and our planet, like we would anyone we love or respect, and then maybe they'll give us a hand.

If you're still wondering why they're sneaking around, then maybe you should think about this.. If you were a peaceful race, and you happened to drop by this third planet from the sun, only to realize there is this somewhat backwards race, constantly fighting, killing and deceiving each other, what would they do to you? Why in the sweet name of chocolate would you want to land there???

(P.S. If they aren't benevolent or even neutral, and they are willing to destroy, enslave, or eat us, I think it's unlikely that they would actually be here in the first place, because they've probably destroyed or eaten each other by now. And if not, and they were to actually come here, then even they are doing a better job of it than we are.)




posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by alienreality
I don't think this Russian military related one is fake, nor has it ever been debunked that I know of...




That could just be Russian Military guarding a crashed Soviet spacecraft. Looks like what happens when a chute fails to deploy



 
Mod edit: image tags corrected.

[edit on 11/7/2010 by ArMaP]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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Close this thread? Who are you the ATS police?



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by DGFenrir

Originally posted by diamount

Originally posted by DGFenrir

Originally posted by diamount
thanks a lot mr close minded


At least I still have my brain..


Yeah like every human, shame you don't use it then, eh?


I am using it. I base my opinions on facts not belief.


What facts? You're basically posting cookie-cutter responses which proves you are a closed-minded person. You seem to of conveniently forgot to review my other post where the best cases in ufology are.

But whatever, I'm done with this mud slinging contest and letting this thread continue is a travesty.

EDIT: Looking at your amended post just proves my point. I'll have a better chance bleeding a stone and trying to prove a point with you.

[edit on 11/7/2010 by diamount]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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Blabla. More of that close-minded bs.


You don't believe the same bs as I do, you're close minded.


[edit on 11/7/2010 by DGFenrir]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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While I read through most replies, I haven't read all so apologies if anything I say is repeated.

I do see where the OP is coming from, I may not agree with his methods of posting (from what I've seen he'll personally flat-out tell each person that comes forth with something they're wrong), but I definitely see what he's saying.

Believing in aliens is (I'd guess) easy for a lot of us here, but it is - when you think about it - a rather fantastical belief if there's no proof (as I say, I believe, personally and I haven't seen a single thing). I don't mean proof as in photographs etc... I mean in-your-face proof. Such as me going outside and seeing an alien craft right in-front of me. If I was a non-believer or (as OP seems to be) a somewhat disenchanted believer, that would send me straight back to the believer camp. But no amount of photographs and blurry videos would change my mind.

In that regard I get the OP's train of thought. What I don't get, is if that's the case and he just needs to see something with his own eyes to fully believe, is why he's asking for proof on an Internet forum where the only mediums we can be proven, are photo's, video's or testimonies. We can't prove it to him here as there's no way to make him see something. I guess I understand the OP's way of thinking, what I don't understand is asking for a certain type of proof in a place where it's not possible to give it.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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I don't think we can prove anything.. all photos CAN be fake or weather related or human made...

for me there is only one prove - old art, when there was no photoshop


Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495)


artist unknown


Masolino Da Panicale (1383-1440)


Palazzo Vecchio



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Here is another one:





posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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I call the BS card... He IS trolling.
If not then why the angry thread and the "im your god attitude"? oh yea because he is after a reaction to justify his crappy flat world... Up to him, i dont care but i tell you something "its damn good to tell him my effing opinion"!



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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The in-your-face proof is exactly what is needed.
All we have right now is blurry photos and videos, eyewitnesses and all other strange stories. Believers expect all of that to be considered as evidence and they start calling people disinfo agents and close minded fools and whatnot if they don't believe that.


Bring me an alien's arm or tell them to land in front of my house.
Don't film the stars and fap at them.. It's not doing ufology any good.

[edit on 11/7/2010 by DGFenrir]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by primetime2123
 


no it is basically behind what other highly credible people (military, scientists, doctors, pilots, etc. etc.) say that what they have seen why Ufology is believeable....cause the govt will make sure that you never have the evidence in your hands..they threaten people' lives
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NOPE! SUPER LAME ANSWER!
Why , this and other internet sites are full of folks that play tennis with aliens on a regular basis! That spend more time with aliens then their Grandma! CONSTANT pronouncements here that aliens are a fact!
ooooooo! the big bad GOVERNMENT does nothing but flit around the globe hiding evidence1 That's just silly. laughable in fact.
Got to do better than that my friends, ! That's a laughable response!
And, don't accuse me of trolling just because I can ask questions you can't answer!

[edit on 10-7-2010 by OldDragger]


First of all, the proof your looking for isn't going to exist as every single picture of a UFO there ever is, was, and will be is up to INTERPRETATION! This goes for video as well, and with todays photo manip and video editing technology the proof for UFO's and ET will not come from pictures or video so stop expecting people in the UFO community to produce such evadence.

Secondly, as one other ATS member so nicely put it in a different thread, eye witness testimony counts for apparanetly nothing in the UFO subject but in the court of law its enough to send someone to prison for the rest of their life. You can't so convieniently pick and chose what evidence is relavent and when. Eye witness testimony is either legitimate evidence or it is NOT. If its not, well there are alot of people we need to be letting out of prison.

Third, I like how you again for your convienience try to group together the people that play tennis with aliens on the weekend with the legitimate researchers in one sweeping judgement to discredit the whole subject all together. This tactic may work with grade school children but I highly doubt it will work here, too bad you can't get that wasted breath back.

Lastly, If you are going to chose to disregard the UFO pictures, videos, witness testimony as all hoaxes as the sole reason the entire subject exists then that leads to another question I would LOVE to hear you answer with any bit of sense. WHY?! WHY would so many people all over the world of so many different backgrounds make it up? Im serious.

Is everyone looking for there 15 mins of fame is that REALLY all there is to it? Even apparently Columbus and many others before the invent of TV were apparently looking for their 15 min of fame on a TV that didnt even exist yet?

Or is is mass halucination or hysteria? Yes that must be it. People all over the world spanning thousands of years were all under mass halucination/hysteria. Yes that has to be it! Their all bat Sh** crazy! Lots of double standards implicated with this one


Or maybe there is a reason I havn't heard yet why the UFO subject exists in the first place. Keep in mind this subject started way back before "fame".

All you have done is:

-Swept up all the bad evidence and bad examples of the UFO subject to ridicule/discredit and presented ONLY those arguements.
-Expected an unrealistic and unpractical outcome by asking us to present evidence you damn well know is ALWAYS up for interpretation and thus never "proof"
-Laid claim to the knowledge that the subject of UFO's is complete rubbish.

You use science and fact as an argument alot, well then by your very own standards of science and fact you should also know that you know jack Sh**.

But again I really am wanting to hear your answer to this question.

Why? Does the subject of UFO's even exist at all?



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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If we adopt the attitude of many skeptics then we are perfectly entitled to say that. Dreams do not exist. No-one can ever *prove* they had a dream. Yes, you can point to encephalographic images and say, during the period of..., the brain was..., but do you have a dream to show us, on tape, for study? Ahh no you don't.

Ergo, I am assuming, as the only true evidence of dreams is, in the end, purely anecdotal, that you don't believe they exist either?



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Dude, you should jsut ignore threads like this.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Op is right. There is no single piece of evidence that would prove visitation. If there were the whole human view of the world would do carthwheels and everything would change quite alot. We do however have alot of not so clear evidences that the believers think when combined prove something. I've never bought that personally.

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That's a very bad example. Dreams can be experienced by almost everyone first hand. Also there is quite a huge amount of scientific data on brains activities during sleep. Very bad example.


[edit on 11/7/2010 by PsykoOps]



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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No, I agree with you. He is definitely trolling.

I don't call someone a troll who can back their OWN opinion up.

A troll is someone who goes to a forum of one type of audience and states what he knows will rile them up, and continue to cause "post-rage" just to get a kick out of it, ALL while providing no backup claim to his own ideology.

A lot of ATS posters believe aliens exist... it's a belief... they come here to bring what they claim is proof...

The OP brings... and has brought... NOTHING, besides a statement and a request for something he/she/it knows no one can provide, and when they actually bite and bring something... they giggle and just say "NOPE!"



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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You have just become my respected friend for your clear insight in to a trolling mind!



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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All people see dreams. Majority of people see them and there is no debate wether they are real or not.
Aliens on the other hand are a totally different subject. Aliens are, if they exist, a physical entities. For them we could find physical evidence. Something that we can all see and touch.

[edit on 11/7/2010 by DGFenrir]



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