Iran denying woman will be executed by stoning

reply to post by skajkingdom

I have witnessed many families (e.g. in Germany) where the wife comes in with another man, and she TELLS her husband they would not like to be disturbed in the bedroom, then she goes with that other man in the bedroom.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?

All in the name of "freedom" and what not.

Well, as a previous victim of marital infidelity I have to say...what in the heck is wrong with these "many families" (the man anyway)?

If that is her choice, then my choice is to end the marriage. Easy.

I wouldn't beat her up (or him...maybe), wouldn't shoot her, wouldn't call the police (if I lived in Iran) so that she would be led away and executed later.

Adultery is wrong no matter which way you try to colour it. But making it a criminal offence punishable by death - and a completely barbaric death by stoning is just pre-middle ages in thinking.

We need to encourage people to live an adultery free lifestyle through education and moral guidance (as parents teaching children), encouraging them to make good choices instead of bad. As a free society we can't start killing people for poor moral judgement (or any number of other things things people can get snuffed for "over there").

It still makes me checkle when I think about the time that the Iranian President was asked about homosexuality in Iran, while he was addressing students at an American university...and with a straight face he said "we don't have this problem in Iran..."

I'm sorry, but if these people want to be taken seriously in the 21st century, they need to at least try to update their thinking to something beyond the 12th.

reply to post by Unity_99

You dont own anyone and have no right to determine whether a person may (ats doestn allow me to swear) sleep with anyone of legal age and consenting, whether married or not, no matter what corner of the globe or universe, THIS IS NOT ALLOWED AS YOU DONT OWN ANYONE. This is a morality issue and I personally wouold not care if a trillion kazillion marriages fail especiallly in barbaric coutnries that abuse women. I care about peoples lives and FREEDOM from religous fanatics who think they own and can corporally punish people. If murder is what keeps your family glued together unnaturally, may you and all you know forever live apart. You are a foe to life and liberty in this world. Go and deal with yourself.

I want her rescued, taken out of there by any means necessary and this government denounced and the people taught what is right and wrong and freedom.

What do you mean I don't own anyone?

Are you naive or just watching too much TV.

When you make an important agreement, hence marriage, and then break that important agreement and ruin the structure of a family which ultimately breaks the structure of the society, you don't think a punishment is required?

A punishment needs to be set, because it causes huge harm to everyone.

You think you going around behind your husband/wife and playing with little girls/boys don't do no harm? Do you think only your family is harmed? Do you think only your kids are harmed? It is cause and effect.

That is what you need to prove to me, prove to me adultery doesn't produce no harm.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr


I dont believe it is common practice in Germany for that type of behaviour, you are talking poppy cock. There is no more adultery in europe than there is the United States. Youve just made a huge assumption on German people, from possibly one story or what seems to me the story line of a German porn film. Now your not getting these things mixed up are you?

I live in germany right now.

Let me tell you a story:

I don't know that many people, but I know some.

Our neighbor: Married, cheated on her husband. I PERSONALLY WITNESSED that, she didn't even hide it.

She now has another "boyfriend". This boyfriend of hers is right now in Afghanistan (making war against muslims there, guess God isn't so uninterested after all ->read further).
While he is there, she already cheated on him with at least 3 guys. We see that, she comes with a guy in her apartment, and this guy leaves in the next morning. What, you think they were playin chess the whole night?

She doesn't believe in God, she doesn't believe in ANYTHING. She says so herself.

All other persons, including a coworker of mine have these views more or less. He comes at work and says "Oh, I have to leave earlier, my 2 kids are alone at home tonight". When I ask him why, he says "My wife is going out tonight".
His wife is going out - as in, going to clubs and stuff, and he waits at home with his 2 kids, while she goes, drinks, flirts with other men, and possibly doesnt even come home until next day in the morning.

I am not saying all germans are like this, God forbid, my wife IS GERMAN. Another coworker of mine, catholic, is very traditional, nice guy, has a wonderful wife, and has views similar to mine.

But I am seeing this more and more every day, more so with the younger generations.
They don't have any moral criteria whatsoever when it comes to chastity, honor, etc.
Young girls and guys not only have sex already around the age of 15 but they view cheating as "not a big deal".

When you tell them "Why are you flirting with that other person?" they say "Why not, it's not like I am married, I just have a boyfriend/girlfriend".

The point is, they then get accustomed to this, so that EVEN WHEN they are married, they will do it.

It's addictive.

In summary, the whole adultery thing comes from the lack of inhibition level - which gets destroyed in the youth too.

One, who was chaste his whole life is much LESS likely to cheat on you, than one who had sex with 354 persons before. For him its not a big deal, its like drinking water or so ...

[edit on 7/9/2010 by skajkingdom]

Originally posted by BlasteR
reply to post by LittleSecret

 

Sure! If the world worked how you prefer we'd kill everyone for adultery. Maybe we can even kill single women for wearing thongs or bikinis. What the hell are you thinking?!!

Nope, one person is enough, although I don't agree with death penalty, I do agree with physical punishment in public for everyone to see. It only takes one person to educate the rest how their actions are harming not just them, but everyone.

The entire world is not Iran! In America, noone can tell anyone else who they will or will not marry. If marriage falls apart then so be it. In alot of ways its your own fault! But at least if marriage does fall apart, in America we can rest assured that we'll be alright as long as we learn from our mistakes. You can't learn from past mistakes if you're 6 feet under. And she didnt' even harm anybody!

Well if you head wasn't 6 feat under the sand you would know there is something called divorce.

And no, we all know the world is not Iran, it is only Americans who can't figure out where Iraq is on the map. Don't even try to be a smarta$$.

I mean, in the middle east it is SO bad that when I was stationed in Oman in 1998 the most brique magazines available anywhere were body-building magazines. And you couldn't even see half the stuff in the magazine because they paid someone at the mall to go through all the magazines and mark out all the women with permanent black ink!

-ChriS

[edit on 9-7-2010 by BlasteR]
and the biggest industry on Internet is porn, how does your partner/girlfriend/wife feels about that?

Don't for one second think it is alright to expose/humiliate and torture women for our sexual amusement, and our sexual urges.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I haven't read the whole threads on the OT I apologise, I wanted to say that I am a little skeptical of the timing of this. I understand we have 4 warships in the surrounding areas of Iran now and if I remember correctly the same sort of propaganda filled our newspapers of the sort of thing before WAR was declared on the TALIBAN. we are heading for something that scares the crap out of me. I wish to god that I am wrong and its all a bad dream.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Common Good

 

Dead is dead, I reckon.

I don't think I have much to add here as to me there's not much of a difference between stoning, firing squad, lethal injection, electrocution, hanging, burning at the stake, and beheading.

As for the rest, to those people out to change the world, the only change that truly sticks is that which comes from within one's self, and that then flows to change within one's family and one's country (and/or one's religion if that's the chosen path). No one else can force a change, particularly in someone or something who doesn't want to change.

Chances are this woman was well aware of the circumstances and potential consequences and made choices throughout her life to get to this point. And if she wasn't, wow. I can't judge or be certain of any of this, as I don't have all the facts and refuse to react viscerally.

And if by chance, this story is being used to incite people's hatred against a country or religion and stir their emotions, to stick in their minds to the point where they can justify more killing and believe it is the righteous path, that's sad.

I hope you dont mind me reposting your entire quote- but it helps me when responding.


Yea death is brutal no matter how you look at it when you are forcing someone elses life to cease. Even if it is as simple as pulling a plug.
Heres the thing though, is the punishment in this case more harmful or more fitted to the girl and the public than the crime that SHE actually committed? If a kid steals a candy bar, will he face the firing squad ? Culture is culture, but at the same time, brutality is brutality.
Women cheating happens all over the planet every minute of every day, of every week. Chances are your wife/husband might be "staylin late to get work done" themselves.(not you personally, just generally).
POINT IS- this crime should not be punishable by death. and if it is,you have ONE JACKED UP LEGAL SYSTEM.

As far as this going to encite hatred on one country, probably, I wouldnt put it past them, the thing is though; it still happens there regardless of the propaganda. The spin they put onit is whatever, but the meat and potatoes are still there in this case. This story didnt make me suddenly realize anyhing about Iran that I didnt already know, that countrys political empire is just as jacked up as the rest of the worlds, amongsts the lowest of filths there are to offer. But we cant outlaw breeding now can we, its too bad. The world could use less evil.

This woman did know the law, there is no excuse for not knowing the law in the country you reside. So yes she knew, she is guilty of the crime, I dont doubt that one bit. The punishment however, is something that needs to be fixed. Someone needs to save this cheaters life.

And the paragraph you wrote on change- I agree.

EDIT- cg



[edit on 9-7-2010 by Common Good]

reply to post by franspeakfree

We have been here before with Iran. Makes a person skeptical about a lot of things in general. I'm with you...I hope this ends like it has the last two times, with no one being killed, nothing more being destroyed, and no more wars.

reply to post by Common Good

Thanks for your well thought out comments. It's really not an easy thing to sort through in your head. My visceral reaction is of course the same as many others. It's horrible. But I have to remind myself that there are too many things I don't know here and I have to reserve judgment. The worst part though is that we may never really know.

reply to post by Common Good


I'm not so sure. Culture can be a strong and profound influence. This is seemingly supported by a few of the comments in this thread about adultery. All I can do is listen and learn and try to understand. I won't ever be sure if taking action, interfering is the right thing in cases like this. Apparently, the story was exaggerated...why and by whom we can guess as. It might be mutual opportunism maybe, as I mentioned before. The human rights groups needed to be heard and it also happened to suit the needs of someone welcoming the further demonization of Iran. I just don't know.

Originally posted by LittleSecret
I believe giving one adulterer a hard punishment to save a million marriage, is worth it.

Marriages thrive or fail on the actions of the two married, Not becuase of the wayward actions of somebody else in the next city or town miles away.

reply to post by SLAYER69


So true. Also, is it really "adultery" if everyone (the two or three or four people) involved agrees to it? It's their personal business and none of mine.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


I personally think Iran started feeling the heat politically from the international community and decided not to allow the carrying out of the decree.

They may have realized just how barbaric it made them appear. Isn't Allah all powerful? Wouldn't he be able to take care of an "adulterer" when they arrive in heaven himself?




[edit on 9-7-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


Could be the reason. Last I heard two men were stoned there...was it last year? Or so say the media reports.

I'm still not totally clear on a few things about their justice system over there and who imposes what law and what rule on whom.

Here's some breaking news...

Iran imposes media blackout over stoning sentence woman . Why black it out now? The story is pretty much out there now.

Last night the Iranian embassy in London issued an opaque statement saying that Mohammadi Ashtiani would not be stoned to death. "According to information from the relevant judicial authorities in Iran, she will not be executed by stoning punishment," it said. The statement was not reported inside Iran and neither was the news of stoning death sentences for 15 other Iranians.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Could be the reason. Last I heard two men were stoned there...was it last year? Or so say the media reports.

Yeah it was last year. Interesting how they executed a man last year but the woman they'll let slide for now. So much for that stoning execution preventing this case of Adultery. Didn't save this marriage aye Littlesecret?
Adulterer stoned to death in Iran

Posted Tue May 5, 2009 6:26pm AEST

A man convicted of committing adultery has been stoned to death in a northern Iranian city, a top judiciary official said.

The stoning was carried out in the city of Rasht during the Iranian month of Esfand which ended on March 20, judiciary spokesman Ali Reza Jamshidi said.
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The Aftab-e Yazd newspaper reported that a 30-year-old government employee identified only as "V", was stoned in a prison in Rasht on March 5. Some Iranian news websites identified him as Vali Azad.

Five Iranians have reportedly been stoned to death in the past four years, including two men in Mashhad in December last year, despite a 2002 directive by judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahrudi imposing a moratorium on such executions.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


Adultery causes the biggest failure in marriage, twist and turns won't help.

I have first hand experience.

There is a reason why people won't even marry anymore, because there is no trust left in a society filled with adulterers.