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Originally posted by Logarock
Yes the state cant regulate here unless someone is doing human sacrifice.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by Logarock
That's the point. The church pays tribute to evil by rationalizing materialism, and the necessity to be tax-exempt. Rather than admitting they shouldn't be concerned with money period.
Originally posted by Logarock
Its a complex issue and you are right about some churches running as wealth machines but it is because you are wrong about the nature of the relationship with the saints and money in general that I cant see the whole thing as some evil exercize. The vast number of churches take in money for basic operational considerations and are not money laundering for Jesus.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Logarock
Yes the state cant regulate here unless someone is doing human sacrifice.
Wrong. There are several religions which have their religious practices banned.
There's a Brazillian church in New Mexico that drinks Ayahuasca (psychadelic) which is illegal. The federal government granted their congregation special permission for ceremonial purposes.
The government can ban whatever religious practice they want, regardless of whether or not it hurts someone.
(Because it's not Ecclesiastical law)
Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by Logarock
Maybe you are avoiding the question because you do not see how it relates. I assue you that all I am asking for is your opinion on churches and their right to speak freely. I am not looking to get into a this church against that church kind of thing or a religious debate. I simply want to know, based on what you have said so far, if you feel they have the right to speak positively about gay marriage as a church in the same capacity you believe the christian churches should be able to. Yes or no?
[edit on 7/13/10 by evil incarnate]
Originally posted by Logarock
If the gays want to start thier own church thats thier thing
Originally posted by Dilligaf28
Ok guys enough with the tax debate. I hate to point this out but you have let yourselves be pulled way off topic. The whole tax debate was started as a form of misdirection as we had all provided ample proof and evidence of the outright hypocrisy of their arguments. We also provided clear and concise reasons why the church cannot have a sway in law. Please stop feeding these trolls with this debate; as soon as you win it they will not concede and will bring up yet another topic to keep your focus from where it should be.
Originally posted by Logarock
You have never asked that question.
The Church of Satan is a pretty big advocate of things like Gay Marriage. Do you feel they should have more or less freedom to speak about that and why?
The question was if churches that speak out nagatively about gay marriage should be censured by the gov. And no they shouldnt.
If the gays want to start thier own church thats thier thing....its not like human sacrifce if thats where you were going here.
But I wouldnt buy into it, a gay church and would speak against it on spritual grounds.
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Logarock
If the gays want to start thier own church thats thier thing
But their church can't allow homosexuals to marry right?
BOOM CHECKMATE.
Originally posted by Logarock
In my personal opinion
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Logarock
In my personal opinion
That sums up your entire argument. Opinions devoid of fact.
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by evil incarnate
I have answered this question in the affermative many times. Why? Not becouse I am pro gay but pro free speech. But dont have to advocate anything about gay marriage in my private or public conversation.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by mryanbrown
Originally posted by Logarock
In my personal opinion
That sums up your entire argument. Opinions devoid of fact.
That was an opinon on a point. But what do you operate from if not opinion?
Originally posted by Logarock
Many of the churches in the north were known for thier anti slavey position. What we saw in the south was the church as instrument of the environment....and it was wrong and everybody knows it.
Originally posted by evil incarnate
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by evil incarnate
I have answered this question in the affermative many times. Why? Not becouse I am pro gay but pro free speech. But dont have to advocate anything about gay marriage in my private or public conversation.
Well there is a reason I asked one specific question one time so many attempts ago. Do you feel that The Church of Satan is having its ability to SPEAK in favor of gay marriage hampered or censored?
NO HUMAN SACRIFICE!!!!!!
I am specificaly talking about SPEAKING -with words- in favor of gay marriage. Do you feel they are being stopped from doing so, as a church?