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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint

Conservatives are big into fiscal responsibility and balanced budget.

This is not to say Democrats or liberals are perfect.


First you have to understand that most conservatives are selfish A-holes and that most liberals are insane lunitics, then you will understand what is really going on.


Now this... I will begrudgingly admit, is close to the truth.




posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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You and I both believe in Liberty and efficient government. Whydont we see if can come together to fix our problems rather than blaming one or the other political mafias that have ensnared us in their web of bull#. We are Americans, not a collection of liberals and conservatives.


This is true and I can go along with this.

...But if someone fits the shoe
We have to call her Cinderella.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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So you turn a thread about idiot conservatives into a thread about idiot liberals?

Instead of siding with common sense and reason, you go and play partisan hack myteam politics?

unbelievable.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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The two party system is a scam, and they cherry pick ideas that purposely contradict the other party. They were created to 'divide and conquor' so that the people are fighting themselves and not the elite.

Both parties are for large intrusive government, all while praising themsleves for small government. It's fraud, and it's been working.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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These fights are always amusing for me. I used to work for political parties. Specifically the Libertarians, I came to a point where I realized it was all serious BS. It's about power, for the lemmings underneath it's like a football team. Look at how many of you view the "Liberals" as the enemy and rant and rave (and the Liberals are really good at wenching about the other side too).

What are you really achieving other than having a big stink and bruising each others egos? And you wonder why we can't get anywhere on this planet. I personally think we should just nuke ourselves and get it over with. No one wants to change, no one wants to give up any ground. You want to hold on to all your old fears and out-dated ideas. Meanwhile the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket. Instead of this being about solutions it's about "UR A TARD" and one-upping the guy next to you.

Just blow up the damn planet already and spare the kids the pain of being turned into another lemming. Your system doesn't work, give it up, let it go, let it die.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Unfortunately, it's not all black and white. When you say "Conservatives", you are painting a sect of people with a very broad brush.

Don't equate Republican politicians with "conservatism". They are not the same. John McCain is currently going around talking "tough on immigration" but a year before the 2008 election, he was co-sponsoring what amounted to an amnesty bill, with senator Ted Kennedy. Now that he needs votes, he has changed his tune. Politicians are narcissistic by nature.

Republicans are are in the back pocket of Big Business. Big Business wants cheap labor. On the Democrat side, they want a buttload of votes. Then there's "the people". Honestly, I have absolutely no idea why the ordinary citizen would want open borders and amnesty. Unless you were an illegal yourself. I would simply ask, what do we stand to gain by opening the border to the free flow of foreigners? Would we not have to also let folks from other countries in, unchecked? Say, for instance, Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Saudis, etc? If not, wouldn't that not be racist?

Equating border security with free market principals is a big stretch. Any "conservative" who says they want less regulation in business but wants open borders so they can have cheap labor is blurring the lines. We have to look at what caused the need to go after cheap labor in the first place. In short, it was cause by the "global economy". Without digging into the details, you can't compete with slave labor countries at U.S. wages. So, you can either bring the cheap labor in or export the jobs. Nobody in the U.S. benefits except the business.

Another way to look at it is this; there are plenty of "liberals" or "progressives" who don't support abortion, right? Or who fully support the 2nd amendment. That doesn't make them hypocrites, it just means that you can't put people into nice, neat little "pigeon holes". It doesn't work that way.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 07:47 AM
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This is not my quote: It is from here...www.youtube.com.../c/068F762C21A30DD4/6/wJ04IVXtrrE

"Every social structure which serves the lobbies of the power of the EGO, instead of MANKIND, is a split which in the end will restructure itself or crumble.

"All knowledge, without love is a separation from being."

If this "love" factor (and yes it involves both compassion and empathy for others who may not be your family they may not even be Americans but they are human beings and a part of mankind with a right to the beauty and peace of this planet)...if this unconditional love (instead of damning judgment and indirect suffering and punishment) could be injected into the neo-con and liberal alike we would be on a path to salvation. Right now, we are dying, all of us together. Dying... to be right. EGO.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by masterp
Isn't it a controversy that a Conservative is also a Christian? Conservatives support capitalism but Christianity is a communist system.


Where on god's green golf course are you getting the idea that Christianity is a communist philosophy?


Good god where are people getting an education these days.

Jesus would want you to give away all your wealth, so does communism. Think about it. Christianity is the ultimate communist system. You are to turn the other cheek and share everything if you really want to be a true Christian. If Jesus had agreed with the Romans the bible would never have been written.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by earthdude

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by masterp
Isn't it a controversy that a Conservative is also a Christian? Conservatives support capitalism but Christianity is a communist system.


Where on god's green golf course are you getting the idea that Christianity is a communist philosophy?


Good god where are people getting an education these days.

Jesus would want you to give away all your wealth, so does communism. Think about it. Christianity is the ultimate communist system. You are to turn the other cheek and share everything if you really want to be a true Christian. If Jesus had agreed with the Romans the bible would never have been written.


Nobody has an exclusive on selfishness and greed. It comes in many human packages. It comes in every religion, ideology and belief.
Most of the Bible was written long before Jesus even walked the Earth.

[edit on 12-7-2010 by rusethorcain]



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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Jesus didn't say wealth is wrong. He said wealth without charity is wrong. The force of state is NOT charity it's theft. But nice try on selling the teaching of Jesus Christ as some sort of support to communism.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 11:34 PM
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Fair enough. But we cannot extend demonization to each other. Saying conservatives or liberal are evil isn't quite telling the truth, we just offend sensibilities. If we can get to root causes and deal with them from a practical perspective rather than being emotionally reactionary we might actually get something done.



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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Respectfully, you seem a decent fellow and I respect your views...I am not demonizing anyone. I am simply against the whole conservative platform. Period. End of sentence. And I am entitled to hold this opinion. This is why we have elections.

This quote is from the Examiner site provided:


“Every day, I saw more evidence about the evils humankind will inflict on their fellow humans to gain or maintain power… What is more, those who choose not to empathize may enable real monsters. For without ever committing an act of outright evil ourselves, we collude with it through our own apathy… If you choose to use your status and influence to raise your voice on behalf of those who have no voice; if you choose to identify not only with the powerful, but with the powerless; if you retain the ability to imagine yourself into the lives of those who do not have your advantages, then it will not only be your proud families who celebrate your existence, but thousands and millions of people whose reality you have helped transform for the better. We do not need magic to change the world, we carry all the power we need inside ourselves already: we have the power to imagine better.” – J. K. Rowling, Harvard Commencement, June 5, 2008. harvardmagazine.com...


I am fighting those apparently ignorant of Earths Critical Path (Bucky Fuller) and those who try to subvert and dismiss very essential, urgent information needed to assure humanities survival:
www.eoearth.org...:
In order to maintain the sustainability of the planet for human life to continue uninterrupted, most all planet watch type organizations including this one from eoearth.org and the UN say there are a few things we must do first. They are not options, they are critical:

Stabilize population growth
Address climate change
Limit use of fossil fuels
Eradicate poverty and starvation

I am sure with most of these, almost anyone can understand how unchecked they will be detrimental for life on the planet, but why do we need to eradicate poverty? In the long term, it costs us a fortune...as explained clearly here...www.examiner.com...


The United Nations (UN) Millennium Goals for 2015, agreed to by 192 countries, are a good start to see how we’re doing as a global community:
* Goal 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger
* Goal 2: Achieve universal primary education
* Goal 3: Promote gender equality and empower women
* Goal 4: Reduce child mortality
* Goal 5: Improve maternal health
* Goal 6: Combat HIV/AIDS, malaria, and other diseases
* Goal 7: Ensure environmental sustainability
* Goal 8: Develop a global partnership for development


Now, I am not bashing or demonizing the Conservative Party or their agenda but tell me please...which of the items listed above do you suppose they will be working on first?
Does any of this sound familiar in their rhetoric?

Being truthful, it is as if these are in a foreign language to them.

They are running against almost all these suggestions and recommendations
as their platform for election!


So, I am not demonizing anyone here but, I do hope people will not be, blinded by the money and hoodwinked by some fast talkers with empty promises, into jeopardizing the only planet we have.



[edit on 13-7-2010 by rusethorcain]



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 02:16 AM
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And...liberals, backed by medical professionals, counselors and "survivors groups" want to try and stop the molestation of children by teaching young children about "stranger danger" and the difference between good touch and bad touch.

Republicans without exception, conservatives and conservative pundits like Sean Hannity resort to calling this "sex education for children" being atrociously pushed on parents.
He tries to mislead the public and voters into thinking liberals want to teach these kids how to have intercourse and give b jobs or something.

Yes indeed. I find his ignorance shameless and disgusting.

You will say I am spewing hyperbole here but this is because you have not been involved and do not know the numbers...There is a reason many southern conservative baptist especially (no offense but I do know the statistics related to this particular denomination above all others)
they do not want their children to know the difference between good touch and bad touch. Or they are likely to wind up in jail.

They think their own children are so resilient and so independent they will outgrow and shirk off any intrusive encounters with nuclear family members including their own father, early on.
It is, among the most evangelical, a God given right, an entitlement and even mentioned in the Bible they hold dear...to molest their own children.

Yes, it is ugly and sadly it is the truth.

It simply requires it to be kept a secret to perpetuate it. Certainly informing children would put a quick end to that "freedom"
Many families, southern and otherwise refer to this behavior as that "dirty laundry" you hear about which people should not air out in public, or expose to the light of day.

And the children are silent. They do not even know what it is about, what has been done to them, until they are almost fully grown.

No I am not demonizing or calling any one evil...but then again...if the shoe fits..




[edit on 14-7-2010 by rusethorcain]



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by mordant1
Nature functions only on conservative principles. You learn work or die. There is no 'liberal' natural animal model where an individual follows its own desires to be entertained.


Dumb. Liberal (these days) can be summerized as anyone who believes in the advantages of society. Groups that band to together for security, health, specialization etc.

Nature abounds with Liberal premises in this regard. Wolf packs, Whale pods ad infinitium. Whereas the conservative mentatlity would let the weak and elderly die rather than spend the groups resources in a "Socialistic" fashion.

Fend for yourself or perish. When the elderly can no longer hunt for themselves...drag them to the edge of the village to die.

Not only uncompassionate, but wasteful as a society without it's elders never benefits from thier wisdom.

Police, Fire Departments, Road Maintenance, Even a common military...premised in Liberal ideas, that a unified "Society" can accomplish more than the individual.

No. It is a our ability to gather in groups, specialize and protect and care for one another that has made us the most successful animal on the planet.

HERE IS A TRUTH THAT IS NEVER DISCUSSED..

Serious economists who have studied the phenomena understand this about unemployment.

We do not pay unemployment benefits out of sympathy or altruism.

We pay unemployment benefits because in the long term it benefits GDP.

It costs a society more in real productivity and consumer demand to let those individuals spiral into bankruptcy than it does to help them in the short term and return them to productivity.

Paying unemployment benefits is more profitable for a given economy than not.

Our "natural" advantage has always been rooted in "liberal" principles.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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Wow. Well put! I wish I had thought to say all that -
You go girl... or guy!



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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Nope. You're both wrong. Nature doesn't acquiesce to human political diatribe. Neither nature or the God I believe created it can be subject to human absolutism.



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Many of the agenda items you have denoted are HELPING to dissolve the sovereignty of this nation. I for one do not want to be ruled by globalist organizations that are made of mostly or entirely of dictatorships, like the UN. I just can't go for that.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by projectvxn]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Many of the agenda items you have denoted are HELPING to dissolve the sovereignty of this nation. I for one do not want to be ruled by globalist organizations that are made of mostly or entirely of dictatorships, like the UN. I just can't go for that.

[edit on 14-7-2010 by projectvxn]


What are you against?

Controlling population growth?
Curbing global warming?
Conserving fossil fuels?
Ending poverty?

All of the above?

Just so I have an idea where you stand.
These are all conspiracies designed to take away your right to....? What?

The reason Charlie Crist is doing so well in Florida is because he has managed to take the best from both worlds.
He was a republican but a moderate Republican and now as an Independent he is appealing to both the Democrats and all Republicans not quite ready to go full steam ahead with the "Next Stop-Armageddon" agenda of Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin and those like her may make a rousing speech but when it comes to pushing a button in the voting booth... nobody wants that insanity either.



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint

Conservatives are big on having few regulations and allowing free markets to work things out, yet they take a contrary view when it comes to illegal immigration laws. Illegal immigration laws are regulatory in nature just like SEC regulations or EPA regulations. It seems that conservatives would favor relaxing immigration laws and allowing labor markets to work themselves out, but they do not.


I'm not sure about this one. I think when it comes to control of foreigners entering our country illegally, breaking the law, this is apples compared to oranges.




Conservatives are big into fiscal responsibility and balanced budget. Currently, the biggest budget breakers on the federal level are: social security, medicare, and the military. Conservatives do not want to cut any of these.


Yes, and many past great conservatives are rolling over in their graves. The party in this area has lost its way.



[edit on 15-7-2010 by Xtrozero]



posted on Jul, 15 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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Controlling population growth? Who's right is it to control who gets to have kids? Those kinds of policies are practiced in places like China. You know, compulsory abortion and what not. We don't have scarce resources because we have too many people, we have scarce resources because too few people are being given control over them...The same people who promote population control agendas.


Curbing global warming? Sorry, but if that means a tax scheme to enrich a few climate-pushing billionaires count me out. I'm all for using technology and common sense ideas to combat any form of pollution. Government should be protecting individual property rights as well so as to let people know that it is NOT ok to pollute your neighbors land. But we do not need a tax burden, and a market manipulation scheme these Global-Statist tyrants are proposing to impose upon us.

Conserving fossil fuels? This isn't for government to do. This is for us to do. We haven't decided to yet. But something you should know about fossil fuels: Nearly everything around you has oil in it at some stage of production, if not every stage, and the majority of components of those products are oil based as well. You tell me, how do you conserve in a situation like that without crashing the economy or creating artificial price spikes forcing even the poorest among us to pay more for their goods?

Ending poverty? Which i guess brings us to poverty. We can't have government coming up with these several thousand page schemes and expect to get out of poverty. We also have to recognize what is and is not help to the poor. An 80,000 page tax code is not helping the poor. Dumping thousands of amendments into it in just a few key pieces of legislation should do nothing less than lead to disaster. These things aren't done to help the poor, they are done to rob them and everyone not in the special Globalist club.


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I'm surprised that after the Bush Administration that people still don't see the danger of giving too much power and control to governments. Especially when discussing world governance and the eradication of sovereignty. I will not live in a world dictatorship over problems caused by the very entities we expect to fix them. The whole damned idea is just silly.

And why are you bringing up Sarah Palin?

[edit on 15-7-2010 by projectvxn]





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