Conservative views that do not make much sense

Originally posted by masterp
Isn't it a controversy that a Conservative is also a Christian? Conservatives support capitalism but Christianity is a communist system.

Where on god's green golf course are you getting the idea that Christianity is a communist philosophy?


Good god where are people getting an education these days.

reply to post by projectvxn


I used to like the Republicans when their standard bearers were people like George Will. In today's political climate, George Will would probably be considered left of center.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Indeed. Where are the Barry Goldwaters and Ron Pauls of the American body politic these days? I'm too young to have known anything about that other than the history I bothered to research. Conservatives and Republicans today are not the ones of yesteryear.

reply to post by projectvxn

Good god where are people getting an education these days.

TV. People are willing to accept anything as fact if it's repeated often enough or comes from the mouth of a trusted spokesman. Hence, the hypocrisy and denial of history we see when "what I say" is more important and more immediate than "what I do."

Short attention span; plain and simple.

jw

Originally posted by rusethorcain

When you speak of Dodd and Rangle you are maligning men who happen to be democrats (human and as fallible as anyone) not policies that are literally corrupt such as the AZ law, for example.

The AZ law is corrupt?

What about DHS policies that call for ALL states to cooperate with ICE in enforcement? "ICE 287(g)" is a national program endorsed by none other than Janet Napolitano (as AZ governor) that pretty much mimics AZ SB 1070. Get a grip; what hypocrisy!

Dodd and Rangel are just 2 examples of the corruption and sell-outs that you attribute to conservatives. When you face facts, your opinions and beliefs do not stand up to objective scrutiny.

I am saying what I think of "conservatives" per se. I don't have to prove anything to you since this is my perception, got through a long life of paying attention, and reading between the lines as well as "the lines." To me it is all very real and accurate.

Some people live in their own fantasy world. That does not give them the right to present it as fact or reality. So long as we agree that these are just your 'perceptions,' I have no problem. When you present your distorted beliefs as fact, you deserve to be "called out" (Obama's promise, no?) on them.

The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.
Industry consultants and petroleum engineers said that an acoustic remote-control may have been able to stop the well..

Is this one of the wells that Obama declared in April to be among the safest and most accident-proof in the industry? Is this the type of well Obama approved in January as a legitimate alternative to domestic exploration and foreign imports?

(Oh, yeah; I forgot - if there's a problem today, we need to look backwards to Bush, et al and blame them rather than accept responsibility for our own actions.)

Why not quit with your tendency to make this argument personal and about individuals here while you valiantly (and ineffectually) protect the guilty?

First, when you state that "these are my beliefs" and "these are my perceptions," YOU make it personal. As for individual responsibility, you provided specific examples which begged correction or context.

As for the "guilty," I have no interest in defending Barack Obama, his racist allies or his socialist agenda. They are, in fact, indefensible.

When you are willing to set aside your beliefs and perceptions, perhaps you will see what a joy ride you have been taken on.

jw

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Barack Obama's a socialist?
You didn't go there.

Not fer nothin - did you know that the Bush's, (and conservative wasn't really a dirty word until this unholy clan made the scene) have very well documented dealings with the Nazi's? Show me Obama's.

www.guardian.co.uk...

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy. The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy

www.brasschecktv.com...
www.illuminati-news.com...
www.rense.com...
And here's a video if you don't care to read the links

And ain't it funny George Bush Senior's nickname in the Skull and Bones Society was Magog.
Magog
Son of Lucifer, trying to unleash hell on earth with the spear of destiny.
The spear that legend says a soldier plunged into the side of Christ to make sure he was dead.

Kids today!

Yeah these are all really good guys.

You follow them.

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And jdub, that spear is a genuine artifact. Guess who had it last?

reply to post by rusethorcain

If all children are wanted, happy, healthy and well educated...WHERE WILL WE GET THE SOLDIERS?

Wow , what an extremely ignorant and heavily liberal slanted view. I suppose that you forget about all the military intelligence, officers, people who graduate from West Point, and others who serve in the military , who have infinitely more understanding and knowledge then apparently you do.

Anyone who makes statements like this is OBVIOUSLY just trying to stir the pot. If you REALLY believe this statement you need to take a step back......

Your header says "compassionate conservative" I dont think you are conservative at all, your viewpoints youve expressed certainly dont hold true to this....

The TRUE conservative belief system is fairly simple.......Rule of Law=follow it, less government involvement in PRIVATE affairs....and a country that is ruled BY the people not BY the government......

Military and security should be the roll of the government of course, but that would require them to ENFORCE those laws......

The problem is theres corruption on BOTH sides of the demographic in this country , that needs to be culled........

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

If all children are wanted, happy, healthy and well educated...WHERE WILL WE GET THE SOLDIERS? Wow , what an extremely ignorant and heavily liberal slanted view. I suppose that you forget about all the military intelligence, officers, people who graduate from West Point, and others who serve in the military , who have infinitely more understanding and knowledge then apparently you do.

This is not MY ideology.
Many conservatives are NOT protecting life for life's sake. They had to be strong armed and shamed by "liberal" democrats to pass headstart and early childhood programs. Don't pretend the GOP care about fetus's. They don't even care about children.

What about women? Well, we know where they stand there. We just got equal pay. Whoopee!

Back to the military, whose men I respect though you take it out of context to indicate otherwise.
Why wouldn't the GOP fund for PTSD until again, they were outvoted as well as shamed by "liberals" into it?
What is the ratio of officers to soldiers? How many officers vs soldiers do you suppose die in battle?
Does it matter who is sent to the front and who sits at a desk job? I think it does to the mothers, wives and children left behind.


I am a little over-tired and going to bed ...sounding a little loopy I admit.


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No the REPUBLICANS arent protecting life for lifes sake, just because someone supposedly "represents" conservatives, doesnt mean they actually DO

And if you have been watching the news at all or paying attention to whats going on the conservatives in america are very VERY disenchanted with the repbulican party, and moving towards the more independent side......but again that doesnt fit your bias slant........

3rd i didnt take anything out of context, I took your EXACT words in that post, that YOU wrote, and called you out on them. Typical liberal tactic, to turn around and tell ME im taking things out of context when you BLATANTLY said it and even highlighted it in your post....

Second, it doesnt matter what the ratio of officers to grunts there, are , AGAIN your trying to make it seem like everyone in the military is an idiot who cant think for him, or herself.....

That just PROVES your ignorance ......i was a USMC grunt.....if you dont know what that is look it up......I still hold a PHD....tell me how stupid I am and unable to think for myself?

4th womens rights, seriously, womens rights groups want womens rights until they are held to an equal standard then they COMPLAIN about it. They dont want equal pay, they want ATTENTION, just like how you see all the reverse racism going on with affirmative action and its abuse......sorry not buying into it....

You want women to be equal, then act equal and dont complain when things get delt out the same way to you as it would be to a man

Yes some good things have come out of the feminist movement, but for the most part, its done nothing but cause harm......

You should do more research before you spout off, im sure many of the families of the military men and women you insulted would take acception to you calling their sons and daughters "stupid"

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Yes. I am ignorant and you have the PHD (Whoopie again!) so whatever you say is bound to be the unvarnished truth.

Follow the devil if it makes you happy. Who am I to say?

Lets be done with this circular argument - I am a lover, not a fighter

...but please...show me where I called military people stupid.

You should do more research before you spout off, im sure many of the families of the military men and women you insulted would take acception to you calling their sons and daughters "stupid"

PS ("exception" is the word you want above)
acception would mean the exact opposite... if it were a word.


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reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Actually, conservatives beleive the social security system should be privatized, as it represents a ponzi scheme in it's current form. The government requires us to pay in under the illusion of an investment in our future. However, they spend the money and do not invest it, then tell us that if it were privatized our money would be "at risk". We would prefer our money to be at risk with the upside potential as opposed to being stolen and spent by theives like Rangel.
Same with medicare. Conservatives fought both. However, the government's involvment in healthcare has created an atmosphere where no options exist for the elderly. This would change if medicare were phased out.
Illegal Immigration? The constitution states that the federal government has two primary functions among 17 enumerated powers. One was to organize an army for the common defense, the other was to secure the borders. If the federal government stuck to it's purpose, as opposed to being in the business of confiscating and controlling wealth and lives, we could have a superior military, secure borders hence reduced crime and thriving businesses because we could do it all on a 2 percent sales tax, without an income tax. Don't make assumptions, do your homework.

reply to post by rusethorcain


"They hate children", "they destroy life", they they they! I wish you would realize just how much hyperbole and reactionary BS you're spouting. You're playing the game like a good little sheep. Do you honestly believe that these things are any more true today during the reign of the left as it was during the reign of the right? Do you remember, not long ago, how Liberals were treated during the Bush administration? Will we just demonize each other until people are so afraid that civil war ensues?

Wake up! People more powerful than you or I are making sure we fight like this, there's money to be made from our blood.

reply to post by projectvxn

Again, show me where I said this

"They hate children", "they destroy life", they they they!

One can only presume this from their actions. To me it is as simple as Sampson and Goliath. Now who supports and defends the giant industrial corporations, and entities? So who is Sampson here? That's right.
I let people think for themselves. I do not judge individuals. I judge actions and do what I think is right. Right now I think you all ought to take a breather and recognize I am not the enemy. Hatefulness, intolerance lack of mercy, EMPATHY or understanding for those that fall through the loopholes of your sometimes valid argument. These are the enemy. These are the feelings and thought I would change in all of you defending an ideology designed to keep us enslaved. We are already slaves to a large extent and yes it is a pity. I just don't think you are helping either. I would say more but I am late for work as it is.







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reply to post by rusethorcain

Many conservatives are NOT protecting life for life's sake. They had to be strong armed and shamed by "liberal" democrats to pass headstart and early childhood programs. Don't pretend the GOP care about fetus's. They don't even care about children.

It is this sort of divisive hyperbole that we must move away from. There are real issues to deal with, many of which you and your ideological opponents have touched on. If we spent more time trying to change the circumstances that divide us we might actually move forward as a country. You and I both believe in Liberty and efficient government. Whydont we see if can come together to fix our problems rather than blaming one or the other political mafias that have ensnared us in their web of bull#.

We are Americans, not a collection of liberals and conservatives.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by jdub297

 

Barack Obama's a socialist?
You didn't go there.

Not fer nothin - did you know that the Bush's, (and conservative wasn't really a dirty word until this unholy clan made the scene) have very well documented dealings with the Nazi's? Show me Obama's.

I understand many facts regarding the Rockefeller/Brown Brothers Harriman-Bush/Thyssen-UBC connection just prior to and during WWII. The Bush's have never been conservatives, they've always been "One Worlders". 3 generations of Skull and Boners of the American people.

After following politics for the last 50 years, I believe there's a decent possibility that BO is a Bush baby brought up and sheep-dipped through the C.I.A. Nothing but a front man for TPTB. He came out of no where, and a bit short on his "papers" and experience. The kind of background TPTB uses to keep "their" man in line. Skeletons in the closet, a Mannlicher behind the door.

Just as their last attempt, Jimmy Carter, another protege of Zbigniew Brzezinski, BO lacks certain leadership skills necessary to put it all together. This current encore performer talks the talk a bit better, but still can't walk the walk. Besides, I'd take a sub driver over a community organ-izer, and his thugs, any day. At least Carter had a clue, though not much of one. BO will go down as the worst President since Woodrow Wilson.

After Prescott's involvement in Operation Paperclip, the Bush's have had a DIRECT hand in all presidential elections since 1952, including the taking down of JFK. I believe it's the same with Barack.

What we are seeing today, is the other shoe falling.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by mordant1

 

Tell that to a remora.

With this apparatus (a modification of the dorsal fin) the remora, or suckerfish, attaches itself to sharks, swordfishes, drums, marlins, and sea turtles. In this way it travels without effort, feeding on scraps from the prey of these larger creatures and in some cases on their crustacean parasites.

Tell it to any other number of parasitic mutually beneficial symbiotic relationships that exist in nature.
We do what we can and if it fits somewhere and does not have a natural enemy... it takes. This is not conservatism it is opportunism and we are nothing if not opportunistic.

Nature is niches...lots of large and small niches that need to be filled. Many of those depend on each other.

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That is the best definition of a welfare-dependent liberal voter that I have ever heard. Thank you. I will now begin to call these people "remoras".

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The AZ immigration law is all about getting Republicans/conservatives voted in.
Since the electorate is changing, the strategy is to disenfranchise the Latino vote, which is largely Democratic:

www.youtube.com...

www.truth-out.org...

July 8th's Daily Show featured this concerning McCain's flip-flop on this issue.

www.thedailyshow.com...

It's funny that this immigration problem was not a problem during the last two administration's War on Terror years. That would have been a time to definitely block off the borders but they were left open without nary a thought.

edit to add: Oh, I forgot to add....

You might start hearing about a 'great' solution (hint: RFID microchip)
to this illegal immig problem, thanks to some very concerned corporations and conservatives (sugar-coating compliments of Disney?):

www.huffingtonpost.com...

"Bloomberg has for years criticized the federal government for its immigration laws, proposing in 2006 a plan that would have established a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers."

Bloomberg has proposed this before in 2006:

www.livescience.com...

A pilot program has already been started with a RI school district, and b/c it was offered for free, it did not require approval from the state's ethics commission....

NaturalNews.com
June 16th, 2009

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Hey gramps thanks. Glad I could help you malign people.

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint

Conservatives are big into fiscal responsibility and balanced budget.

This is not to say Democrats or liberals are perfect.

First you have to understand that most conservatives are selfish A-holes and that most liberals are insane lunitics, then you will understand what is really going on.

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