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Topic started on 8-7-2010 @ 12:37 PM by Survivorman
82 year old man faces 1st degree murder charges for defending his life and property.

82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup.


The Jefferson County DA's office said that neither Torres nor Cardona have been charged with anything at this point, even though Torres confessed to the crime. However, the homeowner, Wallace is facing twelve felony counts, including four counts of attempted first degree murder. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars.


This is CRAZY..how does this happen? I heard a news report and a lawyer said 'the chance of this guy being convicted of 1st degree murder is virtually null...but still to put this man through this for defending what is rightfully his is just insane. Not to mention that the 2 thieves are possibly illegals....insane times we are living in.


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 12:56 PM by Noromyxo
reply to post by Survivorman



Unbelievable !
Where did this happen ?
Here in Texas, he would be no-billed by a Grand Jury in a flash !
Remember Joe Horn ? He's the one who killed two burglars robbing his
neighbor's house in Baytown, TX. GJ No-billed him.
The burglars were illegal aliens (Surprise)
A lot of people wanted Mr. Horn crucified, but justice prevailed.


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:26 PM by poedxsoldiervet
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Bogus... This man will walk if it goes to trial, he will totally walk. And then the DA will be looking for a new Job... Where can we send money for his Defense team?


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:29 PM by ThaLoccster
This almost exact thing happened in the city I live in earlier this year.

A man looked outside, or heard noises that caught his attention. On looking outside he saw a man stealing his 4 wheeler and proceeded to shoot and kill the thief.

He is now being charged with murder.

I have to say I agree. Your personal property is not more valuable than someones life. And laws are put in place to keep this type of thing from happening, you can't shoot someone who is trespassing on your yard anymore than you can shoot someone for stealing your garden gnomes.

If a person is inside your house, you do have the right (to an extent) to shoot the person.

His life wasn't threatened and he has no right to murder someone over a trailer.

I can't believe people think its ok to murder someone over property loss, sure they should be punished. But not murdered.

Whats next? Killing a guy who stole your newspaper? Shooting kids taking shortcuts through your yard, cause they might steal your lawn jockey?

Link to earlier mentioned story...

Deputy prosecuting attorney Joe Graham says citizens can defend themselves inside their own home and on their property outside their home but they can't use deadly force solely in defense of property.


Pearcy homeowner shoots, kills robber

Pearcy man arrested for fatally shooting thief

In the end, this guy shot his friend over his four wheeler.

While I'm not defending the thief, its sad that material possessions are held to a higher value than life.

I hope everyone here who downloads illegal gets shot in the face by whoever owns the rights to what you download.

(not really, but hopefully you get my point)


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:40 PM by MrWendal
reply to post by ThaLoccster



In the situation you are describing I agree it is murder. The shooter gave no chance to the thief to walk away with his life, he just shot him. Even in my state, that would be a murder a charge. It is one thing to protect yourself and your property, it is another thing to shoot first and ask questions later. Even in my state I would have to warn the thief to stop or I will shoot. I have to notify him that I am armed. If that thief were to continue, I can shoot. If the thief were to turn and run away, I can not shoot. If that thief were to come towards me, I can shoot. Even in the most gun loving states, there are guidelines and the main one is "imminent threat"


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:42 PM by Conclusion
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
This almost exact thing happened in the city I live in earlier this year.

A man looked outside, or heard noises that caught his attention. On looking outside he saw a man stealing his 4 wheeler and proceeded to shoot and kill the thief.

He is now being charged with murder.

I have to say I agree. Your personal property is not more valuable than someones life. And laws are put in place to keep this type of thing from happening, you can't shoot someone who is trespassing on your yard anymore than you can shoot someone for stealing your garden gnomes.

If a person is inside your house, you do have the right (to an extent) to shoot the person.

His life wasn't threatened and he has no right to murder someone over a trailer.

I can't believe people think its ok to murder someone over property loss, sure they should be punished. But not murdered.

Whats next? Killing a guy who stole your newspaper? Shooting kids taking shortcuts through your yard, cause they might steal your lawn jockey?

Link to earlier mentioned story...

Deputy prosecuting attorney Joe Graham says citizens can defend themselves inside their own home and on their property outside their home but they can't use deadly force solely in defense of property.


Pearcy homeowner shoots, kills robber

Pearcy man arrested for fatally shooting thief

In the end, this guy shot his friend over his four wheeler.

While I'm not defending the thief, its sad that material possessions are held to a higher value than life.

I hope everyone here who downloads illegal gets shot in the face by whoever owns the rights to what you download.

(not really, but hopefully you get my point)


I am sorry but if someone chooses to be a thief, then they need to know that that is a life threatening career they have chosen. If they all knew that it is lawful to kill a thief, I think some if not most would choose a different job to make money at. Thereby saving their life. The laws are bull$%&* and you know it.

Give that old man a medal for not putting up with people's s%$&. It is a shame people want to bring up human rights in a situation like this. If this happened to me? The thieves would have a right. A right to remain silent....forever.


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:47 PM by Conclusion
Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to
post by ThaLoccster



In the situation you are describing I agree it is murder. The shooter gave no chance to the thief to walk away with his life, he just shot him. Even in my state, that would be a murder a charge. It is one thing to protect yourself and your property, it is another thing to shoot first and ask questions later. Even in my state I would have to warn the thief to stop or I will shoot. I have to notify him that I am armed. If that thief were to continue, I can shoot. If the thief were to turn and run away, I can not shoot. If that thief were to come towards me, I can shoot. Even in the most gun loving states, there are guidelines and the main one is "imminent threat"



Why warn them. Did they send a telegram saying they are going to steal your stuff? I am sorry, but that is a load of crap. If people choose to put their lives on the line to be a criminal, then I say let em, but don't hold the person who took the criminals life accountable. The criminal is the one who decided the property was more valuable than his life when he decided to try and steal it.......Finale answer.


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 01:53 PM by ThaLoccster
reply to post by Conclusion



And he is just as much a criminal for shooting them.

Disagree all you want, the law says you can not kill someone for stealing your trailer. You can't. It's a crime to kill someone for stealing.

So, in the end this man is just as much a criminal as the thieves. And he should be held accountable.

EDIT:

I like how you nitpick your interpretation of law, and say one crime is ok, while another isn't. And that stealing is more of a despised action, than murder.

[edit on 7/8/2010 by ThaLoccster]
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