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Obama Medicare Czar is a Hardcore Marxist

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posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Any Questions?


Anything better than a blog post to back this up?




posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by links234
So, I ask again, as others have also repeated the question; why is this a problem? Especially now that we know you and he share the same ideals.

Who said it was a problem? Why are the kids in the peanut gallery automatically assuming that my posting a thread denotes an objection to the turning of political tides?

If anything, I posted this thread as an "I told you so" — I've said many times that we are being led down the garden path to socialism by our corrupted leaders, but I've never said that I was AFRAID of socialism. Indeed, socialism precipitates a lot of the things that I love most: armed insurrection, the grisly demise of the Intellegentsia, guillotines, blood flowing in the streets, politicians and lawyers and judges running for their lives, living like wildmen in caves, et cetera.

I'm not complaining — I anticipate with some excitement the beginning of unabashed Marxism in America. I'll finally get an opportunity to use all these marvelous survival gizmos and weapons that I've been stockpiling for years, waiting breathlessly for SHTF.

— Doc FVelocity


Well you also forget, elite driven extortion also breeds revolutions... Your positions
serves to keep the elite in place, like pre French revolution, proxy corporate taxes will
break people just the same as taxes. Its a funny revolution to preserve and defend the structure and legitimacy of an elite money making scheme.

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:48 AM
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Any Questions?


— Doc Velocity


Nope no questions, it's clear that you don't have a clue what Marxism really is, nor what a Czar is (i bet you're just regurgitating faux news here...).
Redistribution of wealth does not equal Marxism, nor socialism( and there is even a difference between those last two which is completely lost on you.

if "conclude" you from this snippet


“Any health care funding plan that is just equitable, civilized, and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional.”
that he is a (in your own words) HARD CORE MARXIST then you're just repeating what you hear on faux news.

Your avatar suits you very well, you seem happy to embrace the (spoonfed by Fox) ignorance.


In the last 8 years, "critique" like that on GWBush would have earned you the title of traitor, terrorist friend and anti american...



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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Wow, we have yet another czar. Gee, I'll try an look surprised. Just what does our king . . . errr obama have against Senate hearings on these appointments?



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Your silence is answer enough.

— Doc Velocity


Did you expect someone to reply to your post.. before you pressed the submit button?



Look, don't you think it's a little extreme to suggest everyone who's not aligned with your political views is about to overthrow the country? We've got a new administration, democratically elected by the majority of voters. If you don't like it, vote them out at the next election. You have to try to live with it until then.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Its healthcare, if you think such a thing should remain exotic or luxurious I am not even sure who you would care about when you worry about socialization.

That's the most poignant observation I've seen on the topic, actually.

Yes, Healthcare as we know it is a LUXURY; moreover, it's an industry that serves a luxuriant society. American healthcare has evolved in a brief century from the most primitive and barbaric foundations to something bordering on the mystical and magical.

Certainly, any given diagnosis, surgery, or pharmaceutical treatment today would seem as magic to intelligent persons of only 100 years ago. We live in extraordinary times.

What do you think drove the rapid evolution of technology and technique of the medical sciences in the 20th Century?

It was uncapped COMPETITION. Technological competition, industrial competition, and, yes, militarism. Opportunity and the promise of wealth revolutionized not only American healthcare, it revolutionized the entire world — there is no place or people on the face of this planet that have not been touched by the American economic engine of competition.

That's why people wanted their drooling kids to grow up to be doctors, to enter that lucrative market known as Healthcare, which hemorrhages money the world over, but especially in the USA, where we invented the goddamned thing.

The problem today is that the novelty of extraordinary healthcare opportunity has worn off — now everybody just expects to receive to the highest quality technological healthcare available, and some LIARS out there tell you it's your RIGHT to expect such a level of healthcare, bordering on the miraculous.

Yeah, the novelty wore off... but the novelty prices won't go away. That's the only problem.

When a new product first comes on the market (in our market economy), like a new DVD player or HD television, the price of that product is exorbitant, and for a reason — the investors want to realize a positive return on their investment in the product development, right, so the extremely high prices of the first wave of a new technology go to pay off the investors. It's a well-deserved payday, it's why they wisely invested in the first place.

After the first wave, the money pouring in allows the manufacturer to streamline production, passing savings on to his vendors, who in turn pass the savings on to consumers.

So, prices come down, and everybody can get a fekking flatscreen HD television now. Yay. Soon, we are utterly accustomed to HD television, we can't imagine what TV was like before, and we can even identify old technology on sight (even though it's only 6 months old). Price continues to fall as the years progress, as manufacturing processes are continually refined. While a 60" flatscreen was priced at $10,000 a few years ago, eventually you're gonna be able to buy one of the fekkers in a convenience store for $50. Such is our market economy.

Okay, end of lesson.

But the same thing applies to our Health care system: As innovations are made in healthcare, these amazing products and services and specialists are offered at exorbitant prices. But the prices NEVER DIMINISH as they should for novelty products that become commonplace.

I mean, if you tell your kids, Look, you're gonna go to college to become a medical specialist, but the money is only so-so, that's probably going to undermine their resolve to successfully negotiate the ridiculously expensive YEARS and YEARS of speciality training and internship before they even enter the profession.

Man. You've gotta dangle a big carrot out there to get somebody to jump through hoops for you for 12 years before they settle into their own practice. So we DON'T WANT to diminish the value of a specialty education, right? We WANT a lot of competition there, don't we? So people will WANT to enter the profession and excel in it?

Yeah, we really need those specialists >>



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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If you don't like it, vote them out at the next election. You have to try to live with it until then.


But don't you understand? Obama's EVIL!

objective outsider: Why is he evil?

fear monger: Because he's a Socialist!

objective outsider: That makes him evil? I thought it was an ideology, and not good or bad.

fear monger: He is DESTROYING AMERICA!

objective outsider: How is he doing that?

fear monger: He's a Communist!

objective outsider: I thought you said he was a Socialist.

fear monger: He is going to KILL US ALL!

objective outsider: How is he doing that?

fear monger: He's HITLER!

objective outsider: So now he's a Fascist? I thought he was a Socialist/Communist?

fear monger: See how evil he is?

objective outsider: :Facepalm:



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
In the last 8 years, "critique" like that on GWBush would have earned you the title of traitor, terrorist friend and anti american...

I'm no friend of any presidential administration. I disparaged the Bush administration as readily as this socialist puppet Obama administration. As far as I'm concerned, the central government should be reduced to a tiny handful of offices and committees that meet every other Tuesday. The People should always have their boots on the neck of government.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 7/8/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
Well you also forget, elite driven extortion also breeds revolutions... Your positions
serves to keep the elite in place, like pre French revolution, proxy corporate taxes will
break people just the same as taxes. Its a funny revolution to preserve and defend the structure and legitimacy of an elite money making scheme.

I'm being entirely consistent. I'm in favor of whatever benefits me and my family, first and foremost, and what benefits the nation thereafter. God-Family-Country... That old thing.

If the ruling elite are stupid enough to build a wall between themselves and the masses, then they deserve whatever dire consequence befalls them. To me, a minority of elitists holing up in Washington and issuing dictums to the rest of us is a prime situation for a revolution.

A bloodless revolution would be nice.

But, even if it was a bloodless revolution, I think I'd still bring the guillotine out of storage and stage a few political beheadings for the seething masses. Just to facilitate "closure," you understand.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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I don't really mind Obama nominated a Marxist to this job. If he feels this is the best person for the task at hand, that's his prerogative. What I mind about is Obama bypassing the Congress during a two week break rather than getting Congress' approval. What ever happened to the transparency Obama promised? This regime is as transparent as the oil shooting into the Gulf of Mexico, and about as toxic to America's well being.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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In America redistribution of wealth has been practiced for decades, now the problem is that so far the burden of the debt in the US seems to be delegated to the working class, while the rich that runs the country can pay for the people elected officials to make laws to favor them.

The government doesn't make any money, they print money as Americas ways of wealth production has moved oversea.

So is only the tax payer the one left to support the government spending.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 07:57 AM
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The explosion of industry you are talking about is when we lowered tariffs and engaged in 'free trade' with state capitalist economies such as China.

It effectively killed the American economy by allowing jobs to be outsourced to cheaper regions around the globe. This is the very reason why America was built with protectionist trade policies, the like that China now uses, that shunned unmitigated free trade. Everything else is Post-Wilson, Post-Nixon, and Post-Reagan ideologies that have no real bearing on America's rise to supremacy. Hate to break it to you.

As for the Marxists, so what? If you look at the actual numbers, you'll see a disturbing trend of financial success with the state-directed economies. Second, co-operative economics have been shown to work. Why would we not want to operate business as a democracy instead of a dictatorship?

And last of all, why don't people ever make threads about Obama's pro-free market appointees? I guess it's not exciting enough, or it simply doesn't gel with the Marxist rhetoric being spewed. Either way, Obama is sure a funny Marxist for bailing out capitalism, appointing the free-marketeers Timothy Geithner and Ben Bernanke, and mandating people to buy health insurance. Funny Marxist indeed.

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Someone336]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
So that would be since 1981 having a socialist serving in government has yet to make the US a socialist country then?

Face it, this country has been on a definite socialist track since the days of FDR. Remember when H.G. Wells went and interviewed Joe Stalin in 1937? That's a nice read...

Marxism vs. Liberalism (Joe Stalin interviewed by H.G. Wells)

I especially enjoyed old Joe giving FDR pointers. Socialism is nothing new as an experiment in America, but Obama has us on a fast-track to complete socialism. Which I don't think even you comfortable, fat-assed liberals would enjoy very much.

When you look out your window and see people being beheaded in the streets (Joe Stalin Style), you'll be wiping the mud pies out of your pants.


— Doc Velocity



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:12 AM
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I'm really not sure whether I should take this post seriously or just add it to the evidence for my self-comforting theory that the Doc Velocity persona is a Colbert-esque caricature that I'm simply not sophisticated enough to get.

But to briefly take the risk that this thread is for real, I will ask (as several others have) for evidence that this guy is a Marxist as opposed to some other form of socialist/social democrat, or even just a plain old democrat who has been influenced by some socialist thought?

As for your claim that if you like one part of Marxism you must like all of it -- why would you think so? I'm perfectly capable of both thinking that Marx had some valuable insight and that he was flat-out wrong about a lot of stuff. I think much the same of Freud and Darwin, in fact. Any system of thought developed 150 or more years ago has gone through a lot of development since then.

Contrary to what the tv would have us believe, political ideologies do not have to be swallowed whole or completely dismissed.

Oh, and I'm calling BS on your little story on the doc charging you for asking him the time in the hospital corridor. If true, then certainly dispute the charge (or get your insurance company to do so). But I suspect if you ask his office what the charge is for, you'll find he did in fact consult on your case -- read an MRI perhaps, or whatever.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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Let me ask a simple question. Why make this high profile and controversial appointment during recess? There has been plenty of debate since his name was first brought up and now we have a recess appointment.

If he is the best person for the job, then let the vetting process begin!! If that is the case, he should pass with flying colors. Why fly him in so blatantly under the radar??

The man clearly has views that should raise a red flag with most Americans. He opposes a free market in the healthcare industry and is a proponent for rationing.

In Berwick's own words
"“The decision is not whether or not we will ration care—the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

Berwicks's vision is very clear and last year he detailed the three most important levels of knowledge to medical decisions in an interview. First: whether a health intervention is even effectivel. Second, whether it is more or less effective than comparable treatments. And third, whether the benefits of a more effective treatment outweigh additional cost.

www.biotechnologyhealthcare.com...

If you read the interview you will find that Berwick intends to link cost to any and all medical treatment which will then open the floodgates to denying coverage based solely on cost. Or simply, you will be denied A because the lesser and cheaper B option should be just fine.

Berwick has stated that a time will come when making health decisions based on the question of whether a health intervention is so expensive that taxpayers will have a better use for those funds. So, basically, screw your cancer treatment, Arlen Specter needs a new library.

The writing is on the wall in Berwick's own words!! Hence the recess appointment!! This man will oversee Medicare and Medicaid our nation's two largest public health programs. Something has to give if Obamacare is supposed to work. We can't afford all of it.

Is Berwick a Marxist?? Well, he wants the govt to make your healthcare decisions for you!! and he made this statement:

“…sick people tend to be poorer, and poor people tend to be sicker. And that any health care funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized, and humane must, MUST redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional. Britain, you chose well.”
- Berwick



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Morning Doc!!



I mean, if you tell your kids, Look, you're gonna go to college to become a medical specialist, but the money is only so-so, that's probably going to undermine their resolve to successfully negotiate the ridiculously expensive YEARS and YEARS of speciality training and internship before they even enter the profession.



You have nailed that!! There is no way I would have gone through those years of college for little reward, duh, that's human nature.
There is no way I would want to deal with the long hours, the back breaking lifting, the emotional torture of seeing people suffer and die EVERY FREAKIN DAY, the abuse by irrate crazy people, and the hardest of all, treating people that I know have commited some of the worst atrocities people could ever imagine with the same level of compassion that I would show my own mother, without that good paycheck. I'm not Mother Teresa, wish I was, but I'm not. I expect good pay for all I've done over the past 20 years, because believe me, there are no pat on the back for heathcare workers, we are all very under appreciated. My love of medicine and a good pay check is what drives me to keep going every day.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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Surely rich people are of such quality that if they were ever to become poor they would never ever seek any sort of outside assistance.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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Remember that the week after the passing of Obama care he signed to make Medicaid the biggest insurer for the poor and those that could no be mandated into forced private insurance, so I guess rationing care of the poor and unemployment is OK, as many Americans see this group as living off the system.

But hey, everybody will be covered under the HCR



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Someone336
The explosion of industry you are talking about is when we lowered tariffs and engaged in 'free trade' with state capitalist economies such as China.

You're speaking in very recent terms. The USA was bought and sold and on a socialist track as far back as the 1920s.


Originally posted by Someone336
As for the Marxists, so what? If you look at the actual numbers, you'll see a disturbing trend of financial success with the state-directed economies....

Uh, no.

If you only look at the "actual numbers," you're not seeing the big picture, which is reality. The "actual numbers" show success in state-directed economies, but let's back off and take a higher-level look... OH! Those state-directed economies that we're calling "successful" are actually these tiny little populations of 4 million and 8 million and 20 million... Hell, yeah, it's easy to showcase your successes when they're just isolated pockets of humanity — like lab experiments — but those state-directed economic strategies are falling flat when you attempt to apply them to massive or multinational populations.

Witness the EU's fall from economic grace. Oh, golly, the Euro was going to kick the dollar's ass last year, wasn't it? Greece is trying to sell off islands, now, to cover their debt.

What works in Norway and Singapore and Mauritania IS NOT going to work on an American population of over 300 million. It's falling apart in Britain, it's not working in France, it's sucking wind in Japan and even in Canada.

Averting your eyes doesn't eliminate the problem.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 7/8/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat
As for your claim that if you like one part of Marxism you must like all of it -- why would you think so? I'm perfectly capable of both thinking that Marx had some valuable insight and that he was flat-out wrong about a lot of stuff.

My point was that the same socio-economic climate that necessitates redistribution of wealth is also a prime ground for revolution. When you embrace Marxism, you might be embracing a climate that will result in revolution, so why exacerbate it with public pronouncements of tearing down the American capitalist system?

That's going to ignite more than a few fires.

— Doc Velocity



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