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Sign on bus- "95% of vitamins on the market cause cancer"

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posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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It's out in the open now!!!

Everyone has been talking and waiting for the government to do this to our vitamins.

I live in Portland, Oregon and I was pulling out of starbucks and as I am pulling out I get stuck behind a bus. Well this bus had a big old sign on the back of it basically saying "95% of vitamins on the market cause cancer." It said more and I can't remember but they did it.

No Joke!!!

It's the first time I have seen anything like this and it breaks my heart.

Anyone else know anything more?




posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 02:12 AM
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Truth is 95% of all pharmaceuticals are hepatotoxic.

Not sure who or what is behind that blatant propaganda, but if its a city bus call the city, go to their offices and see who paid for that AD.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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Sadly, due to regulations (and lack thereof), the majority of vitamins on the market are indeed, all garbage. Most are made by a small group of large pharmeceutical giants, mostly from synthetic garbage, and can indeed do more harm than good. However, The statement is clearly misleading, as I dont think you can really define centrum and most of that other garbage AS vitamins. They are just filler sold to fools. Neutraceuticals and other natural whole vitamin providers, however, often have whole and quality products, and the mainstream garbage is not "substantially equivalent" (to use the devils term) to them in any way, and NO, they do not cause cancer. They promote health and longevity, and treat many ailments and diseases which western doctors would tell you need to be cut off or destroyed instead.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by SlyFox_79
It's the first time I have seen anything like this and it breaks my heart.

Anyone else know anything more?

Why should that break your heart? All you've seen is a sign on a bus, right? But no evidence? I think we need to see some evidence to back up that sign:



There's this article:

Taking vitamins to prevent cancer? Think again

Which says vitamins don't prevent cancer and says this about smokers taking beta-carotene getting an increased cancer risk:


Scientists once suspected vitamin E and beta-carotene prevented lung cancer after a study showed people who took supplements appeared to have lower cancer incidence.

But a larger, more scientifically rigorous study found 50 milligrams a day of alpha-tocopherol, a form of vitamin E, had no effect on lung cancer incidence. And 20 milligrams of beta-carotene, a precursor of vitamin A, actually increased lung cancer incidence in smokers by 18 percent. Health officials now warn smokers not to take beta-carotene supplements.


But I don't take vitamins to prevent cancer so that study doesn't worry me, I take them to ensure I don't get any vitamin deficiencies:


"There is no vitamin or mineral supplement proven to reduce the risk of cancer," said Eric Jacobs, a senior epidemiologist and vitamin specialist with the American Cancer Society.

However, many doctors continue to recommend daily multivitamins for general health.


That's the reason I take them, for general health, not for cancer prevention.

I do think it would be worthwhile to contact the bus company and see who paid for that ad and then maybe we can find out more about their claims. Until then, don't believe everything you read, especially on a sign on a bus with no backup evidence to support it, none that we've seen yet anyway.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 02:30 AM
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Advertising may be the way that people can help to wake others up.

For example, do you remember all the advertising for Ron Paul to be President? The way that was done was new(ish) and refreshing. Then there was the bus that had the advert "God 'probably' doesn't exist"...

And now this one.

There may be many more that we have not seen or have seen and thought no more of it.

There may very well be some out there who are actively fighting advertising agencies at their own game.. Changing what we see and read and hear in adverts may be the key to bringing people out of their forced slumber. Giving people the chance to discover something new and break away from the systems garbage can only be a good thing.

It's like that Aspartame stuff.. I see untold amounts of children with their lips glued around a bottle of "Fruit Shoots" that contains Aspartame. A large portion of soft drinks in the UK contain it too, and I am shocked that nobody knows what this stuff can do.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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I was listening to a nutrition expert on C2C one night and she argues that our bodies just don't deal well with synthetic products as our bodies aren't programmed to recognize them and digest them properly. She also said that pills for "Potassium" and multivitamins that have large doses of Potassium have warnings about only taking 1 pill a day as too much Potassium can be dangerous. Yet you could eat 4 bananas in a row that has 10 times the potassium of the pills and be fine.

Our bodies are programmed for mother nature's natural foods, vitamins and minerals.

If our food is supposedly better for us that it was in the past, then I ask this questions? Why are we not living as long, have more disease, conditions(autism), etc, etc?

GMO is the root of all evil.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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only on ATS would I have heard in the last 24 hours that sunlight cant cause skin cancer but vitamins cause cancer.

personally I'm going to keep on eating, drinking, and smoking whatever the hell I feel like and let the chips fall where they may



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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Everything gives you bloody cancer these days. All I have left is my Green tea packed with anti-oxidants that reduce free radicals.

Oh man if they take my tea away from me



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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The body can only handle so much of anything that you decide to put into it.
Taking more vitamins than you actually need may be dangerous according to some. Although the body has it's own natural way of getting rid of excess products, too much can overload the organs and cause you some rather nasty side effects.

I am one of those who is happy to eat, drink and live as I please.. should that be the end of me then I can at least know I've done what I believed to be correct and not been led by others or allowed myself to believe all that I am told.

Eat little, but often... and spread your diet to cover all sorts of different things. Enjoy a big steak, enjoy a plate of ice cream, enjoy a basket of fruit.. just not all at the same time.


Vitamins are water soluble and fat soluble. The water soluble vitamins like vitamin B and C cannot be stored in the body. The extra intake of these vitamins gets ejected out of the body. But the fat-soluble ones like A, D, E and K are accumulated in the body and cause side effects.

VITAMIN A

An overdose of vitamin A can lead to hair loss, headaches, yellow pigmentation, blurred vision and liver damage. Consuming doses more than 25,000 IU, which is five times the RDA, can cause all these problems which is considered an overdose.

Symptoms of overdose include low grade fever, dry skin, sore mouth, bleeding gums, drowsiness, diarrhea and severe vomiting. These symptoms disappear on withdrawal of the vitamin.

VITAMIN B-6

Consuming more than 400 mg/day, which is 200 times the RDA, can cause difficulty in walking, some neurological disorders and numbness in the mouth and hands.

VITAMIN C

Though sometime back it was considered to be the cause of kidney stones, new research shows that there is no solid evidence of serious side effects of taking vitamin C. Sometimes taking high doses can cause diarrhea.

VITAMIN D

It is the only vitamin that is synthesized in the body with the help of UV rays from the sun. Supplementation might be needed in some cases where deficiency is detected. Sometimes vitamin D can cause calcium deposits to buildup and interfere with the functioning of the muscles, including the heart muscle.

There can be an overdose of vitamin D only from supplementation. An overdose of the vitamin may cause hypercalcaemia. Over exposure to the sun can never create an overdose. A dose of 50,000 IUs of supplementation is considered an overdose. RDA is 400 IUs.

NIACIN

Vitamin B3, one of the B complex group vitamin, is also known as Niacin. This vitamin is generally prescribed by doctors to help lower cholesterol. Though doses of 2,000 mg (100 times the RDA) are prescribed for the patients, they should be monitored for any possibility of developing symptoms of jaundice and liver damage.

Symptoms of overdose include faintness, pounding in the head, diarrhea, jaundice and impairment of live function, low levels of glucose tolerance, other skin lesions and abdominal cramps. Most of the effects are reduced on withdrawal of the vitamin.

vitamins.ygoy.com...


Since it's almost impossible to eat enough food for vitamin toxicity to occur, the likeliest way too get too much of certain vitamins is by taking excessive quantities of supplements.
What is Considered Excessive?

Currently there is no clear definition of what constitutes excessive when it comes to vitamins. However, the general consensus is that excessive is considered to be several times the RDA (Recommended Dietary Allowance) or more than the Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) set by the Institute of Medicine.

Read more at Suite101: Effects of Excessive Vitamin Intake: Risks Associated with Large Doses of A, B6, C, D and E Supplements vitamins-minerals.suite101.com...
vitamins-minerals.suite101.com...


A balanced diet that includes a wide variety of the main food groups generaly provides all the vitamins and minerals that your body needs. There are currently 13 vitamins and minerals.

www.disabled-world.com...

The main problem we all face, is who is correct out of all the studies we can find or read about? Deciding what is best for you is the only option in the end. Your body kinda knows what it needs and learning to listen to your body is key. You know when you are hungry and that hunger sort of kicks off your desire for a particular food. For example you might think you need a pizza, but you know how much that will cost you.. so you consider a burger but that's not what you really fancy so you end up choosing some chicken and chips with a side salad.. Although it may appear that you've made a conscious decision about what you 'want', you may have actually listened to your body instead...



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Extrallian, it is true that you can OD on some vitamins, but generally it takes MASSIVE amounts to OD, and the side effects are most often minimal. Yes, as it states in your post, vitamin C, if overdosed, will give you diarhea. Thats not a "side effect", that is your body voiding the excess, as it does with any of the water soluble vitamins that you take to much of. Indeed, i often OD on C when i have constipation JUST for that intended effect. Keeping in mind it takes massive amounts to do this, 9-10 grams in one day.

Vitamin A is indeed hepatoxic in high doses, but as the article said, 25000 iu which is i believe 25 drops in a day. Probably one of the most dangerous, but still not likely to happen on accident.

With D they are way off. A single dose will not OD you, you actually need to take 30000iu a day for over a month. And while this might scare some from D, keep in mind that D is the one that most americans are chronically deficient in, and the most important for fighting cancer and viruses. Extremely important for healthy immune function.

Now lets put all this in perspective. Natural medicine is in competition with western medicine. All the above, while they may in MASSIVE doses cause some uncomfortable and unfortunate side effects, do not result in death, and annually the statistic in the US for deaths due to side effects from vitamins is.... You guessed it, ZERO.

Pharmaceuticals, on the other hand, statistically kill over 100000 people annually when taken AS PRESCRIBED. Doctors and hospitals account for the deaths of 300000 in total, through error, nosocomial infection, etc.

So you can paint vitamins as dangerous all you like, but when it all comes down to it, they are extremely safe compared to conventional medicine, and much better at health maintanance then drugs will ever be.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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Sounds like a joke to me.

But to follow up on some of the other posters....

Vitamins A, D, E and K are fat-soluble and have the potential to cause toxicity when over consumed. It's rare, but very possible. However, it's more probable for mineral toxicity to occur.

There are other problems, however, that occur when vitamins/minerals are overconsumed. For instance, elevated serum levels of vitamin D increases calcium absorption. Too much is a bad thing, as many people have started realizing once they started supplementing Vitamin D like crazy.

Other imbalances cause problems as well. Supplementing Magnesium affects calcium levels. Insulin tends to decrease intracellular magnesium and inhibit calcium absorption. Glucose affects vitamin c absorption. Homeostasis.

....just thought I'd add....

-Dev



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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yeah i know more

they recently found that optimum nutrition whey has arsenic, lead, cadmium and other TOXIC metals in it

NOT ONLY THAT, but now the label on the whey tubs actually tell you how much arsenic and other toxic metals are in each serving!!!!

supposedly to reassure the buyer that although there are poisons in each serving, they are measurable and " under the allowed amounts " by whatever funked administration handles that, either the EPA or the FDA, either way it's rediculous

not to mention the aspartame sweetener they use in it which is very unhealthy

my point being that all bases are covered.. if you want to eat junk food, it's unhealthy, if you want to try and be healthy and take vitamins 95% of the time it's unhealthy, if you want to be a bodybuilder or athelete and take protein supplements ( or any supplement to better your health for that matter ) your supplements will contain poisons and in the end be unhealthy for you

i am half way through writing a thread concerning the tainted whey protein epidemic striking the body building and athelete world

[edit on 7/8/2010 by indigothefish]



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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I use GNC vitamins, have been sicne i was 16. i am 35 now. the reason..all aftermarket vitamins, centrum for example, do not have enough dosage of anything in them for the price. its less than minimal. GNC vitamins have far more dosage in terms of milligrams, grams and micrograms, for a few bucks more.
MY question is...what vitamins dont cause cancer then? what brand names are reputable as being actual vitamins>?



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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they might as well said eating food causes cancer and breathing oxygen causes it too....everyone has cancer, whether it turns on or not maybe a result of many things both known and unknown, being deficient in vitamins like b17 MIGHT have something to do with it, but also genes can play a part as well and the status of the immune system. I tend to think too much stimulation of the immune system may cause it to overlook o0ne thing while fighting another inflamation...



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posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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Great videos. I had a lot of issues a while back, and high doses of niacin and ascorbic acid made me well. I'm talking going from an insomniac, bi-polar, halfway schizo, memory failing freak, to a pretty well balanced, calm, highly aware, excellent memory, high IQ guy. I plan on taking this stuff as long as it's available, and am already making arrangements to store a few years worth of both ... just in case.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Sorry ziggy, but most stuff in GNC is garbage too. Mass produced, non whole vitamins. If you live in a big city with neutraceuticals, or have licensed ND's, they can sell good quality stuff. I hate to say, but whole foods and upper end places like that also have some quality products.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Can someone please give me a rational explanation of why the majority of synthetic chemicals are considered junk? Most vitamins (save vit-e and a few others) are chemically identical. I fail to see how whole food vitamins are much better besides being more absorbent and less of a tax on the liver.



posted on Jul, 9 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Ok, take vitamin C for example. What many call vitamin C is ascorbic acid, because western medicine tries to isolate everything. However, actual whole vitamin C is actually a combination of the ascorbic acid plus multiple enzymes, that all work together synergistically, quite different from just ascorbic acid.

Also, what a lot of people dont realize is that many vitamins have different forms, such as B12 being cyanocobalamin, and methylcobalimin. Methyl is actually easier for your body to absorb and use, but cyano is easier to synthesize, so its the most marketed.

Then there are D2 and D3. D2 is natural vitamin D, fights cancer, strengthens immune system, etc. D3, the garbage they put in milk and other "vitamin D fortified" foods has actually been shown in tests to CAUSE cancer.

What you are saying, "molecules put together act the same" does not take into account that what the companies often put together are actually quite different from what we get from food. OFten they are unabsorbable, (like buffered C), and adulterated, and unregulated.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Incorrect. Vitamin-c is ascorbic acid, and is produced from glucose in the majority of animals. We lost this ability a few million years ago due to a genetic mutation and temporary advantage of utilizing more glucose during a troubling time period.



posted on Jul, 12 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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All vitamins are fillers..? In Canada they don’t seem that way. I was extremely low in vitamin D and B12. Now I have supplements. Now they are up to their normal levels. Proof they are not just worthless junk



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