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reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:11 PM by Afterthought

reply to post by ThaLoccster

Let's stick with the facts.
It was a dildo that he should've kept in his night stand drawer.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:12 PM by crazydaisy

Sick, drunken pervert - do that in front of my child and see what happens!!

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:13 PM by ThaLoccster

reply to post by Afterthought

How did I not "stick to the facts".

I agree, he should have left it at home. But it shouldn't be illegal to take it outside either.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:16 PM by Solasis

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Solasis

And I'm sorry you think it's OK to be having oral sex with a dildo in a convenience store parking lot in front of children.

This guy would deserve to eat his toy.

Um, of course I don't think it's okay. Did you notice where I said that it's at the very least sexual harassment? Or the part where I said he was punished, that he didn't get away with it? Or were you too busy thinking about how you're going to rupture my spleen for not agreeing with your hyper-violent attitude?

Everyone in this thread -- over most of this website, even -- is so Reactionary and Panicky. This is not a sign of the country falling apart (which it might be); this is a sign of a single appellate court which is messed up. I don't want to inflict grievous bodily harm to this man without giving him his chance which our constitution (Which, by the way, I'm positive all of you have groaned about the dissolution of in other respects) guarantees him. So I must think that his crime was okay! Even though I said I expect, and hope for this to be overturned later, I must think he did nothing wrong!

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:17 PM by hillbilly4rent

reply to post by crazydaisy

If it were my yungun that saw this I'd probably cut his BLEEP off and shoved it up his BLEEP and then take his other BLEEP and stomped it till it looked like BLEEP and then I would get real mad

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:18 PM by Afterthought

reply to post by ThaLoccster

I'm not going to argue semantics with you.
You asked what if it was a cucumber?
It wasn't. It was a sexual device & his decision to sit in his truck drunk & suck on it in front of women & children. He even brought attention to himself doing this.
He's a pervert. I'm sure that his ego has grown since he got away with it & has more antics up his sleeve.
I'd like to compare him to the arsonist who can't get off unless he's watching the fire he started.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:29 PM by ThaLoccster

reply to post by Afterthought

Actually, you're nitpicking my argument.

What I said was when you attempt to make this illegal you go down a slippery slope. Cucumbers are used as sexual devices everyday, as are fingers, bottles and a wide variety of objects.

Would his behavior had been acceptable if it were a cucumber? In my opinion no, but according to your argument it would be just dandy since it wasn't a dildo.

I agree that his behavior was disgusting, and atleast sexual harassment, or even just harassment.

I think the rest of my argument is valid.

When you criminalize a depiction of a sex object you start a slippery slope. It would then be illegal to have a picture of a dildo on a shirt, or be illegal to have a naked woman tattooed on you "cause a kid might see it".

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:29 PM by thaknobodi

reply to post by Afterthought

I like your signature.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:33 PM by Afterthought

reply to post by Solasis

My hyper-violent attitude?
You haven't seen hyper-violent, my friend. Besides, I'm not the only person who feels this way. Take a gander at the other posts.

The point of my thread is to bring attention to the fact that this is another instance where the law needs reformed since there is a sicko who thinks, "Hey, I'll go sit in the parking lot with my sex toy, suck on it to get attention, & maybe I'll get laid!". Does this guy even have ONE functioning brain cell?
Until this law is changed & he can be prosecuted for simulating a sex act in public with a sexual device with children present, folks should know that calling the cops will do no good & they might want to take care of the situation themselves.

Maybe this guy will move to your town & do this in front of your mother, sister, daughter, cousin, etc.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:34 PM by The Endtime Warrior

I can almost tell the people here posting who have children and those that don't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have a child you are more outraged by this then let's say, the average freethinker?

I for one am outraged, but only because it was in the presence of a child.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:38 PM by Solasis

reply to post by Afterthought

The fact that so many people on this thread are reacting the same way is what really worries me. Plus, you've just demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of what's happened here. It is not the law that's the problem; it is the appellate court's interpretation of the law. I suspect that "Simulation of sexual activity" where sexual activity is defined as "oral insertion of another person's genitals" (or whatever exactly the phrasing is) will be deemed by a higher court to include simulated genitals.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:40 PM by Afterthought

Originally posted by ThaLoccster
reply to post by Afterthought

Actually, you're nitpicking my argument.

What I said was when you attempt to make this illegal you go down a slippery slope. Cucumbers are used as sexual devices everyday, as are fingers, bottles and a wide variety of objects.

Would his behavior had been acceptable if it were a cucumber? In my opinion no, but according to your argument it would be just dandy since it wasn't a dildo.

I agree that his behavior was disgusting, and atleast sexual harassment, or even just harassment.

I think the rest of my argument is valid.

When you criminalize a depiction of a sex object you start a slippery slope. It would then be illegal to have a picture of a dildo on a shirt, or be illegal to have a naked woman tattooed on you "cause a kid might see it".

OK. Go get a cucumber right now & drive over to your local convenience store. Park. Now start drawing attention to yourself & start sucking on it the same way a person would a penis.
If the cops don't show up or someone doesn't try to break your jaw, come back & let us know.
That's all I got to say about that. Some things should simply not be intended for public display.
Considering your image of the naked lady tattoo, that's fine. It's a form of artwork in somebody's eyes.
Hey, I got it! Maybe mimes can start entertaining people this way on street corners. I can see it now ~ he can start acting like he's trapped in the glass box that the father can't get into to beat his perverted butt.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:43 PM by Solasis

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
I can almost tell the people here posting who have children and those that don't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have a child you are more outraged by this then let's say, the average freethinker?

I for one am outraged, but only because it was in the presence of a child.

Your point is well taken; however, don't we generally believe that the reaction less influenced by emotion is the better one? The more "objective" one, the one which has been determined by rationality not reaction?

If you are not of this opinion, that's fine; I'm not even sure I'm of that opinion. But I think that generally "we" like to claim to hold this opinion.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:43 PM by harrytuttle

While I find what the guy was doing repulsive, and in a morbid sad sort of way funny, we need to be careful not to make it illegal, otherwise the police could start arresting people for all manner of "normal behavior".

As parents, you can't expect the "law" or the "government" to protect your children. Only YOU can do that. There are sickos out there and you need to prepare children for it mentally, and protect those too young to know any better physically.

That's a fact of life. Deal with it.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:46 PM by Monger

Am I seriously the only one who finds this hilarious?

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:47 PM by Solasis

Originally posted by harrytuttle
While I find what the guy was doing repulsive, and in a morbid sad sort of way funny, we need to be careful not to make it illegal, otherwise the police could start arresting people for all manner of "normal behavior".

What the hell are you talking about? This should be illegal. This is not normal behavior. This has almost nothing in common with normal behavior, except in that he is human, he was engaging in behavior, and he existed. That's all. This isn't going to lead to anything normal being illegal; that's ridiculous and a stupid slippery slope argument.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:47 PM by Afterthought

Originally posted by harrytuttle
While I find what the guy was doing repulsive, and in a morbid sad sort of way funny, we need to be careful not to make it illegal, otherwise the police could start arresting people for all manner of "normal behavior".

As parents, you can't expect the "law" or the "government" to protect your children. Only YOU can do that. There are sickos out there and you need to prepare children for it mentally, and protect those too young to know any better physically.

That's a fact of life. Deal with it.

I agree. The mother who's child saw the man doing this thought she was protecting her child by calling the police on him. Even the cops thought it was illegal. I'm just sorry that this perv could afford a slick attorney.
Although, using a sex toy in a public parking lot should NEVER be considered normal behavior. There's a time & place for everything.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:47 PM by The Endtime Warrior

Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
I can almost tell the people here posting who have children and those that don't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have a child you are more outraged by this then let's say, the average freethinker?

I for one am outraged, but only because it was in the presence of a child.

Your point is well taken; however, don't we generally believe that the reaction less influenced by emotion is the better one? The more "objective" one, the one which has been determined by rationality not reaction?

If you are not of this opinion, that's fine; I'm not even sure I'm of that opinion. But I think that generally "we" like to claim to hold this opinion.

Well I was reacting to what was written, which is ok because I dont hold opinion in a court of law. The extent of my "rage" ends in this forum. I won't go to work mad about it, nor will I think about it later. I was merely expressing my opinion, and also giving maybe a little insight, coming from a parent. I do agree with you, and this is why I dont work as a judge or in a jury.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:48 PM by GobbledokTChipeater

Originally posted by ThaLoccster

Plenty of things are used the same way as a "dildo". If he was waving his fingers at them, and sucking them should he also be arrested? What if it was a beer bottle, or a cucumber, or his fist?

I've seen many a guy make the "jack off" motion, I guess to denote "yeah big deal", should that also be illegal?

What about suggestively sucking on a lollipop? Should that be illegal?

Other than making "sex toys" illegal (which in turn opens up a wide range of interpretation, are my fingers sex toys?), there's not much you can hope for here.
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Should a picture of a dildo on a shirt be illegal? What if I'm in a supermarket and kids see it? Hell I have a topless woman tattooed on my chest, should I be arrested if a kid sees that?

Should cleavage revealing clothes be banned? How about short skirts that show alot of thigh? What about thong bathing suits?

Does intent come into it anywhere? Clearly this dude is a sick pervert, not merely some chick showing cleavage, or someone with a tattoo of a topless chick.

I think this dude intended to be a sick pervert and obviously he masturbated in public. Should be arrested for lewd behaviour or something at the very least.

reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:50 PM by stars15k

reply to post by Afterthought

He might have enjoyed your actions. You have the right to be offended, but not the right to do anything more than call the cops on him, which was done. If the law is not to your liking, contact your city council and state reps and ask for a change.
It's a free country, except for things that are lawfully declared unlawful. His acts do not qualify. Your suggested actions would.

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