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"The only acceptable point of view appears to be the one that recognizes both sides of reality --- the quantitative and the qualitative, the physical and the psychical --- as compatible with each other, and can embrace them simultaneously."
These letters, spanning over a
quarter century, between the quantum physicist, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl
Jung, are exciting in their complexity, provocative in their interdisciplinary
thrust and illuminating in their profound attempt to bridge the divide
between physis and psyche.
By means of them, one is able to glimpse the shifting influence of
Pauli on Jung’s thoughts about synchronicity, dream work and most
importantly, about the existence of ordering principles that both the natural
and psychological realms appear to share.
Originally posted by GypsK
Who says matter didn't arise from consciousness?
If the right structure produces consciousness, and damaged pieces of that structure produce an altered consciousness, it stands to reason that consciousness is a fundamental factor in the universe, and that even subatomic particles possess it to some rudimentary degree.
Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Pegs and holes: in defense of quantum mysticism
When Heisenberg first demonstrated his uncertainty principle, disproving classical determinism (the idea that the universe is basically a fully predictable giant 3-D billiards table), he may or may not have had an inkling of the can of worms he was opening up. Mystics of all stripes latched on to this because it seemed to vindicate their sometimes bizarre beliefs.
Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
reply to post by tauristercus
I am - that is my blog.
Originally posted by Astyanax
No, wait! We haven't just to define it, but define it in such a way that a stone can have it, as much as you or I.
No, no, wait! We haven't just to define it in such a way that a stone could have it, but we have also to define it in such a way that it can arise out of even the most primitive states of matter.
If you don't mind, I'll just wait here and have a smoke while you're off doing all that.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Matter plays a role in constraining (consciousness) into a relatively orderly form, relative to other matter.
Astyanax:
We have also to define (consciousness) in such a way that it can arise out of even the most primitive states of matter.
It never arose per se, except in the sense of the walking, talking, self-aggrandizing mud pie.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Does that mean consciousness exists independent of matter, and that matter is some kind of modulator or transceiver for it?
Astyanax:
I prefer to believe that nothing has free will; all the evidence suggests this to be the case.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Honestly, I'd be a complete materialist reductionist if it weren't for qualia. It's that one thing (that I noticed since early childhood) at all times, outside of a few more profound occurances, that keeps me on the fence or even slightly favoring there being something more to the universe than "materialistic processes". If you can convince me I'm not experiencing what I'm experiencing at this very moment, I'll come to your side (ie. "it's not even there"). For now, the mystery that actually isn't that mysterious (you read that right), remains.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
And I do ask myself the question "do they really not exist" fully prepared to commit.