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Hawaii's governor vetoes same-sex civil unions

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posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
It just shows yours, in a living will you can name the executor of it, who YOU want present to make the decisions for you when you can’t make them. They are legally binding contracts, and to refuse a living will opens yourself up to lawsuits.


A living will gives them instructions. Power of attorney names the person.

It sometimes helps to read links when they are given.

[edit on 7-7-2010 by Nutter]


Your arguing terms here, those pieces of paper give the person named in them the right to be there.




posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
I should also add that my wife's money is her money and my money is my money. If she gets an inheritence, thats her money she can do what she wants with it. I have no say over how she spends her money, like she doesnt mine...


I didn't mean if she got an inheretance. I ment what about when she dies. Do you automatically get the house, the kids, the furniture, the tv, the radio, the fish tank?

Well, I didn't.

So, yes. Special rights.


We are two separate people not one person.


Then you aren't truely married correct? At least in the biblical sense.




posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Intelearthling
I'm married but I didn't get married because of politics or rights. My wife and I got married because we want to become one in Gods' eyes.


I'll believe it once you renounce your special rights. Untill then, I dn't believe you.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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The point is where do you draw the line?


Where logic and common sense tell you to do it. Admittedly that changes over time -- like allowing blacks and whites to marry now where once it was taboo. That was a good change.

Lots of our beliefs stem from religious dogma that may or not apply to today. It is good to move on. You can now welcome gay people into the community of "marriageable" folks without necessarily taking silly steps like sanctioning marriage to pets.

There will of course continue to be areas tensions. Multiple spouses may be taboo now, but it was just fine around the world for most of human history. It could become so again. Why not?

We worry too much sometimes about restricting other people just for being different even if that difference is inconsequential to you or larger society.

We have got bigger things to worry about.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
OUR rights are defined in the US Constitution and State Constitutions. Marriage isn’t in any of those documents. With the exception of certain states allowing gay marriage. Which makes them a Right in that State.


Are you willing to put your theory to the test?

Divorce your wife and live together.

Then come back and tell us how many rights/privaleges you have lost. Because according to the documentation, it will be well over 1 thousand.

Ready to do it yet? Time to put up or shut up.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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No I don’t get all of her belongings, she has willed some things to friends family, mainly sentimental stuff, I do get the life Insurance policy to help with the kids like she gets mine... You can name whoever you want on those polices or right a will... I don’t get special rights.... If she didn’t have a will the order of precedence is this Spouse; Children; Next of Kin; Estate. That’s the way the law is set up... Get a will and leave it all to your lover.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:52 PM
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Really, I could care less about gay people marring each other. My point is if you open marriage up to one group you open it up to all groups... The attacked the governor because she said this shouldn’t be decided by handful of people. She wants it to be open for all of the State to vote on.... Not a group of liberals who want to mold the world to their views... nothing wrong with that?



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
If she didn’t have a will the order of precedence is this Spouse; Children; Next of Kin; Estate. That’s the way the law is set up... Get a will and leave it all to your lover.


You said it right there. Number one is spouse. Denying people this opportunity is denying them a right in the eyes of the law.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
OUR rights are defined in the US Constitution and State Constitutions. Marriage isn’t in any of those documents. With the exception of certain states allowing gay marriage. Which makes them a Right in that State.


Are you willing to put your theory to the test?

Divorce your wife and live together.

Then come back and tell us how many rights/privaleges you have lost. Because according to the documentation, it will be well over 1 thousand.

Ready to do it yet? Time to put up or shut up.


Sure that means I can screw whoever I want without having to worry about her taking half of my stuff. My employer offers "Marriage benefits" to single folks as well.. gay, whatever... its offered to all... so nothing would change for me... Not even a higher tax bracket because we could each claim two kids...
Now the wife wouldn’t take to kindly if I gave her divorce papers. And say hey lets live together... She believes Marriage is between a man and a women and all that other nonsense.... But I still love her just the same.

Maybe you should move to California or New England where they offer gay marriage?

BTW I wont shut up, maybe if you move you will be happier...



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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A will or Designation of Beneficiaries changes the order of presdence.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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I always get confused during these "queer and homo" rights thread.
Is the ability to tax "queers and homos" for a public school system not mentioned in the Constitution, while taking advantage of tax breaks to help offset the costs of choosing to breed, considered a privilege? I think the definition of privilege might apply, but it very well could be a right under a socialist system.
How about the voting in of a voucher system that allows one to reap the rewards of such a socialist system without actually having your children subjected to mores of other participants. Surely, that's a privilege. No?

[edit on 7-7-2010 by 23refugee]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Maybe you should move to California or New England where they offer gay marriage?


I already do live where full gay marriage is legal. Did you not see my post about attending a wedding last weekend?



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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A will or Designation of Beneficiaries changes the order of presdence.


Either you keep ignoring this or it isn't setting in. You didn't have to go this extra step. Why should I?

Yet, you still proclaim that you don't get special rights/privelages/treatment. Go ahead and deny it all you want. It is still reality.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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Of course a child would have a choice in the marriage. After all, you have to say "I do" to get married.

As far as animal goes it doesn't have any right to choice. Do you ask your horse permission to ride it or ask it to pull a cart? No you smack it on the rear and say Giddy Up! A horse is property so why shouldnt a guy be able to marry his horse without the horses permission.

By the way I am not saying I want to see grown adults marry children or men to marry their horses.

Also, an alcoholic does not have the right to go to work intoxicated just because he was born with a predisposition to Jack Daniels. So are they not taking away his right to go to work?



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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A will or Designation of Beneficiaries changes the order of presdence.


Either you keep ignoring this or it isn't setting in. You didn't have to go this extra step. Why should I?

Yet, you still proclaim that you don't get special rights/privelages/treatment. Go ahead and deny it all you want. It is still reality.


Everyone has the abiltiy to fill them out. I have both a living will and designation of beneficiaries. Fill out the damn paper and stop crying about it.

Marriage is not a right, you want to complain about the married but withholding tax law's right your congressmen. I do not get any special rights...

Nor Treatment
Nor Privileges.

Nothing in The US Constitution stops a Gays from voting, holding office, etc.etc. now if it were the opposite and gays could not hold office then I would agree with you. But since it isn’t covered in the US Constitution or The Great State of Ohio’s Constitution, then no it isn’t a reality. Just someone crying because they cant get married.

The synagogue in my neighborhood wouldn’t let us marry there because we’re not Jewish, did I cry about it and demand they marry me no, I didn’t… The Catholic Church wouldn’t marry us because I refused to convert to Catholics’, did I cry about or complain no, I went to the Justice of the Peace in KENTUCKY to get married. Since Ohio won’t recognize gay marriage my gay friend went to new England to get married to his dude. That’s the way it is for now.

But I won’t support gay marriage till I can get another Wife Legally. Like you said we cant have special treatment of monogamous couples and Polygamist couples.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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Yeah and I wont support gay marriage until my second wife can also be my sister.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
But I won’t support gay marriage till I can get another Wife Legally. Like you said we cant have special treatment of monogamous couples and Polygamist couples.


The difference is.....I would support your right. Even though it doesn't affect me. I guess some people can't see past themselves?



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Hey poedxsoldiervet,

Just wanted to weigh in on the Constitutional part.

Those things not listed and mentioned in the Constitution are not all of your rights. Those not listed are to be held by the people or the states.

Just wanted to weigh in on that.

As for gay marriage, marriage is a union of two people that love each other that swear before GOD their union. It has nothing to do with that license/contract that the gubmint uses to place your children and life as wards of the state.

Everytime this issue rears it's head, I ask, why would anyone want to place their children and lives into contract with the government?

Ever hear of people complaining that the CPS sticks their noses into their lives and where do they get that right? Hehehe, well excuse me folks, those marriage licenses are contracts to the state. Ever think about that. Hell in some states, the state attempts to force you into marriage if you live so many years together. That way they can force themselves into your lives.

The government is not benevolent and it is not your friend.

Still wondering why anyone has not addressed this. Yes, marriage was created by religious entities of the past. Sorry, but when caveman hit his conquest over the head, that was not marriage.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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I'm beginning to believe you're just a mislead human being or just a babbling-ranting troll.

Tell me what kind of special rights do I possess?

If you think for one second that marriage is a special right or privilege then I really do feel sorry for you.



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