Someone mentioned about flying a remote spy plane into A51...

I just wanted to post this so they get an answer as to why this has not happened (and cant)

They did mention about the frequencies so at least they realise that "they" can track back to you easily enough.

But the main problem is the range!

A good remote plane transmitter will have a range of about 500meters
a very good one will see you to perhaps 2.5km!

The distance from the perimeter fencing to anywhere interesting is about (from memory) abotu 15miles! (24km!)

To give you an idea the very best UAV used by the military,
The Predator UAV only has a workable range of 400nMiles (643km) and you wouldnt be able to use one of those.

The other downside is that a small plane (even if you had one that could do the range) could easily be shot down if its low enough to see anything.

And unless you decide to use a jet powered plane, it will take ages to get there

The Area 51 does no longer just test aircraft. Area 51 is now testing Plasma Energy shields. The aurora is a REAL aircraft. Though it is a cover up aircraft for a new aircraft. Called x2. x2 features plasma emitter technology made in s-4 (Sector-4). Bob Lazar is a liar. By the way. My Uncle is a Airforce Commander. Please do not ask for any information to this post.

Originally posted by CamoGhost
The Area 51 does no longer just test aircraft. Area 51 is now testing Plasma Energy shields. The aurora is a REAL aircraft. Though it is a cover up aircraft for a new aircraft. Called x2. x2 features plasma emitter technology made in s-4 (Sector-4). Bob Lazar is a liar. By the way. My Uncle is a Airforce Commander. Please do not ask for any information to this post.

I understand you not wanting to give more details. But how about on the "Bob Lazar is a liar" topic? Please fill us(me) in on that one.

Bob Lazar is a physicist. But the knowledge of the s4 facility is way out of line. I could say right now "I have been in a top secret facility that looks like so and so". The truth is Bob Lazar was payed by the government to create a story that would satisfy the public while they carry on with their secret projects. While hundreds if not thousands of people pay attention to Lazar's stories, they could be working in silence without the public view. Now I have actually met Lazar myself. He is a very unuiqe person, but not that of s4 material. Sector-4 is real don't get me wrong. They made it so that no one would know about it, obviousely, but Area 51 serves as the cover for Sector-4. It's all cover after cover.

All I heard was Lazer was a fake, I think I remember watching a documentary about it once.

why cant they just tell us what is going on for we have a right to know plus if i ever find out that i am dieing i will get in and see for my safe i have being looking at sat pic and maps and i think i would be able to get in well i hope that is for i what to know

No, you don't have a right to know. Most likely Area 51 is simply testing the next generation aircraft. We (the United States) maintain a forward presence (like it or not) around the globe. To keep our "edge" on countries like China, we need to keep our technology secret. YOU have absolutely NO business knowing anything about that tech. Besides, judging by your lack of punctuation and poor spelling, I doubt there is much you would understand in the first place. Sorry, but that's the truth.

When dealing with classified material, you must satisfy 2 things; "Clearance" and "Need to know". Just because you have a clearance for TopSec, doesn't mean you get access to ALL TopSec material. You only get to see the material in which you have a "Need to know". This is done to compartmentalize the information. I take it you have neither the clearance or the need to know for any of this information.

Now, let's assume that they are backward engineering UFO's. Okay, fine. Now, you find out about that information, because the Top Secret Genie bestows that knowledge on you one night. Now, what could you possibly do with that information? What good is it for YOU to know that information? Bragging rights? Maybe so you can say "Oh, that's cool" then go back to playing your XBox? The answer is simple. You have no tangible reason to know anything about it. But, I can GUARANTEE you that China, North Korea, Iran, et-al, would LOVE to have that information. And, they wouldn't be going "Oh, that's cool."

If you're so willing to give classified information to just anybody, then lead by example. Post your Name, date of birth, SSN, address, credit card numbers, bank account numbers, schedule of when you go to work, wife's name, kids' names, etc. Post it all. After all, we have a "right to know" those details, right? And nothing bad will happen if you post that, right?

What is the place called that you can see the base leglly?

Ironically... I think most people would probably be highly disappointed if they were actually allowed in. Then they would claim that they weren't shown the 'good stuff', or that Groom must be a cover for some other area where the really secret stuff is. Either way... Most people would probably fine little if any satisfaction by actually going there.

Originally posted by dtindall23
HAS ANYONE NOTICED THE NEW MILITARY BASE SOUTHWEST OF 51?!?! With rounded, UFO-like doors, and weird pipes coming out of the building, plus the runway is number 1. It just seems weird! not to mention there are 3 giant cranes about a thousand feet away, when there's nothing over a story tall! (on google maps: the lakebed smaller than groom lake, but bigger than the one directly on the other side of area 51.)

Are you talking about this place?:
36°55'36.72"N, 116° 0'26.76"W

I believe it has been confirmed this is a "Lockhead UAV Test Facility"
And I see no "gaint cranes", however there are some towers on the site.

To me The Groom Lake test Installation is where they test advanced technology for the Air Force and Space exploration. It is the most senstive site on the planets and Above Top Secret, It would have many levels underground like most sites now, with the ground level holding personel rather than hardware.

There is of course crashed Alien tech there and maybe Alien Bodies but I think there are better installations for Bodies to be explored if thats what they do. The reason I believe this to be true is logic, The Groom Lake facility would be the best place to fly and study/Reverse engineer New Airplanes or Alien Tech that they have manged to control for a time.

They need huge amonuts of land and Air Space to do things in secrecy, or as secret as you can get nowadays, and the Groom Lake Nevada site is perfect, I know alot of people think Area 51 is a smoke screen and their doing all the Tests else where, but to be honest Groom Lake is the Best place for this kind of Job.

On a Fun note Im visiting the Groom Lake Border in April 2013 I can't wait going to see the Black Box, the Alien Inn The borders guards, the ID4 statue and the Extraterrestrial Higway.

Groom Lake (Air Force Flight Test Center, Det 3) is a flight test airbase where they conduct vanguardist black projects. Together to experience new advances in aeronautical engineering, avionics and research projects in sophisticated aircraft like F-117, B-2 and other stealth aircraft has today are not publicly recognized.

Many contractors (including JT3, Tybrin...) are operating at Groom Lake, as well as other private companies who have registered in the Joint Range Technical Services contract to meet Air Force in areas of application as : Radar Systems, Electrical engineering, logistics, security and other specialties.

They make free trainings with fighter aircrafts like EF-18, we have also in the Spanish Air Force, i don't no that the are more fighter planes operating at Groom Lake, but surely there are a few squadrons.

Every single word in the original (top) post of this thread is absolutely accurate. Anyone wishing to understand the activities at Groom Lake would do well to read the post carefully.

And now, a bit of (long-winded) history surrounding the designation 'Area 51':

Around the time of World War II - with war clearly looming ahead - the United States Army Air Corps constructed a base northeast of Las Vegas called the Las Vegas Army Airfield (LVAAF). This would later become Nellis Air Force Base. The primary purpose of the field was aerial gunnery training and practice - shooting aircraft guns and dropping bombs.

There were seven Auxiliary Airfields associated with LVAAF: Indian Springs Army Airfield (now Creech Air Force Base), and six other smaller, mostly dirt runways called Indian Springs Auxiliary Fields 1-6, scattered in and amongst the mountains, deserts, and dry lakes of the desert wasteland north of Las Vegas.

In addition, in 1940, President Franklin Roosevelt directed establishment of an Army Air Force test range called 'Tonopah Test Range', primarily for weapons design research. Until then, this work had been performed at the Salton Sea in California. AAF comanders claimed the Salton Sea had 'visibility problems', but the truth was that the Salton Sea stank, and no one wanted to be there.

After the conclusion of World War II and with the establishment of the Air Force as a separate branch, LVAAF changed its named to Nellis Air Force Base, and began to calling the practice range the 'Nellis Air Force Gunnery and Bombing Range'. Warning signs with that designation can still be seen to this day.

Approved by President Harry Truman in December of 1950, the Air Force ceded a portion of the range to the U.S. Department of Energy for the purpose of testing nuclear devices. Originally called the Nevada Proving Grounds, the name was later changed to the Nevada Test Site, and now more recently the Nevada National Security Site ('N2S2'). The Proving Grounds were cordoned off into 30 Areas numbered - oddly enough -1-30.

Since aircraft were intended to be used to deliver nuclear bombs, both Tonopah and the Gunnery and Bombing Range became operationally interrelated with the Nevada Proving Grounds. As such, the DOE designated two adjacent areas - Indian Springs Auxiliary Field #1 and the Tonopah Test Range as 'Area 51' and 'Area 52' respectively, although these designations were primary for reference within the DOE, and were never official. Neither area was ever made a part of the Nevada Proving Grounds; rather, it was mostly just a convenient way for DOE personnel to refer to the areas while keeping their actual locations quiet.

Two additional designations were also created: 'Area 53' and 'Area 54', but it is not clear where exactly these areas were or are, probably owing to the security, classification, and sensitivity of the operations being conducted.

In 1951, Auxiliary Field #1 was closed - largely due to increasing radiation hazards of being directly downwind from the nukes - and the area remained inactive until 1955.

Around December of 1954, the CIA created new program to design and test a new generation of strategic reconnaissance aircraft - called Project Aquatone - and contracted the Lockheed Aircraft Company to build it. The aircraft would later become known as the U-2.

Richard Bissel Jr., the CIA's project director, realized the new aircraft could not be tested at Palmdale or Edwards - where most such testing had been done up to that point - owing to both secrecy and operational constraints. Bissel and Kelly Johnson - Lockheed's top-notch aircraft designer - identified four possible locations for a new test runway/facility. Together, they scouted each of these locations by air and quickly decided that the old Aux Field #1 was far and away the best choice, both because the dry lakebed (Groom Lake) was nearly ideal, and because the proximity to the Nevada Proving Grounds where there was already a good deal of security. Even better, the lakebed was surrounded on three sides by mountains, which would help keep 'prying eyes' out of the equation.

The new location was officially named Watertown (although some CIA documents used the DOE designation of Area 51). Technically, the land was still under the control of Nellis, but when the project started up, operational responsibility was transferred to Edwards Air Force Base, where it remains to this day.

...to be continued...

More on the name 'Area 51':

Lockheed couldn't call it by its official name Watertown because that was classified. So Kelly Johnson made up a nickname for the site, calling it 'Paradise Ranch' in order to entice employees to come work at a place that was a) hotter than hell in the summer; b) colder than dry ice in the winter; and c) hasn't seen a drop of water for hundreds of thousand of years, except when it rains.

Apparently it worked. Employees were given the choice to live at the site or to commute by aircraft from Palmdale - and later Las Vegas - coming to work Monday morning, staying in dorm-like facilities through the week, and returning home Friday evening. Well, OK, Friday around noon. They don't call Lockheed "The Lazy L" for nothing.

When Project Aquatone was completed and the U-2's became operational, activity at Watertown declined for a while but never totally went away. Given the success of the U-2, the CIA opened Project Oxcart and Johnson and his crew began work on the next generation of recce aircraft, the Archangel 12 or just 'A-12'. This bird was a single-seat precursor to both the Air Force twin-seat YF-12 and the CIA's 'Strategic Reconnaissance 71', or SR-71, and nicknamed the Blackbird. I've seen this aircraft fly; there's nothing else like it in the world.

Somewhere in the mix, employees nicknamed the facility 'The Dreamland Resort', later shortened to Dreamland. This was also a publicity ploy to get new suckers to come there, and because it was a place where dreams came true.

To the best of my knowledge, no one ever called it 'The Box'. Rather, this is a pilot's designation for the restricted airspace above and around the facility, R-4808N. This airspace has also been called 'The Container' and sometimes 'No-Man's Air'. It extends from the ground to the heavens, 24/7. As with Tonopah Test Range, aircraft failing to heed warnings to avoid or leave the area WILL be air-escorted out by fighter jets based at Groom, and as a last resort, blown out of the sky. Presumably, that's never happened - at least not that I'm aware - but the authorization exists.

In any case, the Government is absolutely correct and accurate when they say they do not have a base called 'Area 51'. That's not what it's called, even by the CIA. Officially, the site is today called the Air Force Flight Test Center, Detachment 3, and is run out of Edwards. It's also referred to as Det 3, 'The Ranch' (from Kelly Johnson's original nickname Paradise Ranch), the Groom Lake Facility, Groom Lake, Groom Dry Lake, Home Base, Watertown Strip, Homey Field, and just plain Homey.

The base is alive and well, thriving, growing and expanding, and staffed to seemingly ever-increasing levels.

Notions of aliens, ET spacecraft, plasma fields, Ununpentium (which was really and truly been synthesized at Lawrence Livermore in 2003, but has a half-life of well less than a second), time-travel, and warp-drives are ill-conceived, to put it politely. Bob Lazar's idea of a hidden hangar doors over by Papoose can be pretty easily dissuaded by any five-year-old running Google Earth (there are only two roads that go near Papoose, both of them dirt, both of them unused for decades, and both of them barely 4WD trails).

Yes, Groom experiments with new propulsion systems, but they're not anything 'radically advanced' - anybody with a third of a brain has probably heard of them. And yes, there ARE tunnels into the nearby mountain - you can find them if you look close enough with GE, and I think there are even pics posted here or at DreamlandResort - and there ARE underground working facilities. But there are underground facilities at office buildings and shopping malls too. They're called by the (Top Secret) designation 'Parking Lots' - but you'd need an SCI/PL clearance to use them.

All of the active runways are in plain view; there are no hidden trap doors, no space elevators, no Star-Trek-like transporters, or 'Cheshire Runways', although the runway over on Yucca Flat (not associated with Groom) used to be sprinkled with water to make the markings more visible. But that was in the 60's when they didn't want people taking pictures from outer space to see what was going on.

And yes, there is a 'massive conspiracy' to keep the work at Groom out of public (and foreign) sight. It's called 'secrecy'; it keeps our country in business and ahead of the competition.

That is all.