Top Priority U.S. Military Report claims "Apocalyptic Christians" may pose threat to world peace!!

reply to post by Norio Hayakawa



Hey well at least you put the truth out threre for everyone to see... You mean to tell me that whats going on in the world today and the bible do not have your attention?

I have to wonder whether those Christians who think this will happen will MAKE it happen. Not so much the "Jesus and God coming from the heavens" part, but the wars are certainly possible. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

I think that ANY religious fanatic is dangerous, simply because they view any insult against their god to be worth fighting over, and because these gods can't be proved the fight will go on, and on.

Still, it doesn't hurt for a country to examine possible threats.

you link to hub pages talking about an alien invasion and myspace, so am I missing the link to the top military report?

Originally posted by dawnstar

but, I would like to point out that it's not just the christian religion that has a segment of it working hard to fullfill their prophecies.

I've also noticed glimpses of it from within the jewish religion, and well, the Islamic religion has more than a glimpse.

No one has an Apocalypitcal mind set like the Iranian #es. In the matter of pure religious killing they are way out in front on the world stage. They also look for the comming of a great spritual leader and whatever else he is supposed to be. The large part of thier hate for "The Great Satan" comes out of this idea that the US is trying to stop the comming of thier great one.

When was the last time you heard of a christain straping a bomb on and walking into public place and lighting it off?

And christains helped Hitler? (in ref to someones earlier post) Hitler killed some outspoken christains...

Text“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” -Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Remember that guy? We have all heard these words.


We should also remember the christain influence in the anti slavery movement in the US and England. A movement that was without question the primary moral force that finally overturned the issue.

reply to post by No King but Jesus


I hate to call you out, No King but Jesus, but this posting of endless Bible quotes is tiring, distracting from the original writer's intent, and a showing of true brainwashing on a person, you. Don't you have anything to say? Is your brain so hardwired to the KJV Bible you cannot see anything else? Come on, let us read what you think about the post! We do not care what your King thinks about it, as if he reads internet forums as a pastime.

Originally posted by pablos
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa

 

Can you please post the exact bible extract and book and chapter number that refers to the rapture.

I just want to read how you got the rapture from the bible. You say it is clearly suggested but I do not know this "clear" suggestion of which you speak.

And to answer your question What is wrong with believing this crud, It is the fact that too many people buy into it and to believe this means giving away your independence as the lord owns you.

And being owned by a fairy tale would suck.

At least have the guts to say these are your beliefs and stop saying they when you are obviously using this forum as a pulpit.

I don't mind you using it in this way, that is not my issue, merely your distancing yourself from your beliefs almost as if you don't quite believe it yourself.

Cheers,
Pabs

Clap clap! I too tried to get this out of NKBJ, but all I got was Bible quotes again....
Conspiracy: The Rapture Doctrine

This forum, I think most members and staff would agree, is not a bully pulpit for any religious recruiting from any religion. Am I right here?

Jesus – The Imaginary Friend

The "12 Apostles" – Fabricated followers of a fabricated Saviour

Gestation of a Superhero

Common Error

And yet, this "common sense" approach, though convenient, is a trap, a misapprehension condoned and encouraged by the priestly cohorts. They are happy to debate and discuss their hero's claims to deity ('a matter of faith') but want us all to accept Jesus of Nazareth as an historical fact. For them, the negation of that "fact" has cataclysmic implications and therefore they resist that possibility with every means within their grasp.

And yet Gods do fall, as the ruins of Upper Egypt and Greece eloquently testify. Was there ever a Horus or an Apollo? It scarcely matters if some shadowy figure was ever consciously in the mind of the original priests who concocted the fables. The Olympian gods ruled for two thousand years and the Egyptian deities for twice that time.

No one "just made-up" Jesus. If we step around the centuries of fabrication and glorification which informs everyone's perception of Jesus Christ and closely examine the two hundred year gestation period of the current Lord and Saviour we can see a perfectly plausible and, indeed, convincing process by which, upon the legacy of earlier times and from piety and scripture alone, the Christian godman emerged into the light. Beliefs created the man; the man did not create the beliefs.

"A cycle of lessons, or perhaps a manual for preachers, was drawn up for ecclesiastical usage, and it was upon this liturgical foundation that the Gospels were based."
– Grant, Jesus, p180.

jesusneverexisted.com...

Not to douse these fiery flames of free speech, or otherwise appear to disagree with the strong stances many have taken on behalf of the purity of politics or the purity of faith.

I want to simply point out that both can be correct, and yes, at the same time.

For the sake of privacy, religion should not be a platform for candidates in an active race or in office. For too long, I was offended and even driven to atheism by seeing corruption in action coupled with loud declarations of "Jay-sus".

As a young journalist, these kinds of comments, ever, immediately made me suspect the one saying them. Using a public opportunity and wasting it with words we hear at church or elsewhere, yeah, that's not instilling confidence in MY public servants, and I can't quote it in an article, lol.

Now that my understanding is different, I STILL object to the prostitution of religion by candidates for office, any office, any religion.

As any adherent to any faith knows, actions speak louder than words.

How many are unafraid to be measured this way, since they put themselves out there under different banners of religion? That has little to do with their policy.

Which is as it should be, according to this report. Bush telling the French president that Iraq "had to" be invaded is probably the inspiration for this report. I know that Bush convo with Sirac scared me, I mean, this was a conversation between world leaders. I think that's why the French released this information, to embarass America into getting this out of political power.

I don't have a problem with that, even though I aspire to be a Christian.
In my faith, no one knows the hour or day after all.

Politics is not the place to play God, or to be His proxy, and a decent man knows that, no matter what he believes religiously.

Good is good, period. Religion in politics asks the voters to be biased, before they even reach the polling place, by subjecting them to floods of overwhelming ads. It's sickening.
So-called policy is actually just wolves in sheeps' clothing, by the nature of our free and open society.

We all know some exploit it. This kind of separation is what is only sane, knowing that there should be no preferred one.

Any real religion cannot be sanctioned, anyway.

As well, if there were no non-Christian candidates, and suddenly one ran, let's say a Muslim, or a Scientologist, then they would stand a chance to win, on sheer novelty and social/religious support, rather than being the finest of the bunch, as it should be.

We should have higher standards, and clearing the underbrush is a good first step.

My religion is my business, and if I want to share it, I should and can through my own words, actions, choices and life, as well as how altruistic and wide my thoughts and motivations are.

Any political hopeful should have a reasonable hope for election if his or her record shows the qualifications that should be there first:

Public service at no profit to oneself, a career of public service, a life that reflects real America, a fair approach to mankind.

Who WOULDN'T want elected officials like this? Some of us pray for them, lol, but then they alienate otherwise like-minded voters, by proclaiming religion.

Everyone is not a Christian, but they all deserve and are guaranteed representation.

The qualified candidate will not rely on catchphrases, but will present legitimate credentials. Evidence of being a fine human being.

There is no monopoly on that. It just needs to be a deliberate demand of us as voters. It needs to be actively said.

Here's our vote, here's who we will give it to. Bring this candidate and we will elect him or her. NO one else. (Go, Alvin Greene!)

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by Danbones

 

don't get me wrong these are not my words but wish to try and determin what they are pointing to in it's intended understanding so certain ones come to mind that I think pertain to a subject because I have read them and to see what you think, but bottom line is I heard a voice and seen a heavenly being(that another poster said was probably a cherub).
This is all I claim to know with absolute life and death certainty so I stand by the scriptures because the voice and what was said matches what the scriptures say so on the one hand I find a very glorious feeling and the other very frightening which probably has everything to do with knowing merciful scriptures the most but I still eat and drink I just can't write worth a ..

OK, I take that as an honest answer. I have to ask you though, aside from what the "voice" said to you, how can you be certain is was the Jesus you wanted so bad to hear, and possibly see? What if what you heard was in fact a Devil, who is said to be adept disguising himself to fool innocent Christians? Have you studied up on, and researched the Cherubim?

Friend, I too have seen inter-dimensional beings, and what I think was an Angel one time. It was about 90 feet tall and flew like a hurricane, clearly on a mission. One time I was astral traveling, and came onto a strange room in a place I know not where it is. There were three Golden King figures, sitting on thrones, and they were telepathically directing little dark beings who were moving little colored lights around on a large, black board, much like a chalk board was in school. I was chased out of there when the nearest one became aware of me, thrust back into my body, laying in bed at home, I suffered a psychic shock, and was sick and weak all day. I have yet to figure out who these beings are, and what their purpose is. They seemed to be really powerful, if you know what I mean.

The point is, NKBJ, we are all beings of Light. the dimensions are melding together, just like your book said it would, "signs and wonders in the heavens and on Earth." I think that many of us here have seen things, and heard things, but are afraid to tell the tale, or consider the experience a personal matter. Religion aside, do you know, are you aware of the Spirit that lives within you, that is, in fact, you? Have you became aware that your carbon based, human body is naught but a meat suit, a space suit, if you will? All paths lead to the vary same source, friend. Either you are ready to go forth with an open mind, and pure love in your heart and ascend to a higher plane of existence, or you stay in this world, and deal with the cycles of life and death, pain and suffering, war and hunger.

They're cracking down on them here too. This church group was raided here in Adelaide a month ago, you lot will love this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d83624160137.jpg[/atsimg]

Oh yeah, and he also told his church members that TPTB were going to microchip us all and if you don't get one, you'll be branded a terrorist.

[edit on 7/7/10 by NuclearPaul]

I remember hearing about that, because I live in Adelaide, but I didn't read that article. What was the point they were trying to make? It didn't mention an arrest, just that someone had "ratted out" the "cult."

I just didn't see the message they were trying to get across by writing that article...

Originally posted by Avarice
I just didn't see the message they were trying to get across by writing that article...

That one was to introduce the "cult" to the public.

This one was to make people think that they were all "brainwashed" because they believe in "conspiracies".

[edit on 7/7/10 by NuclearPaul]

Originally posted by FireMoon
"One day, I came upon a man urinating in a bus station. When I confronted him about his action, he turned to me, without stopping, and said: "Keep in mind that since the universe is in constant flux, nothing that occurs one moment has any relevance to anything else. Everything you belive, feel or think is based on the false assumption that truth exists. Thus, you are free to do any action which brings you pleasure. That humanity feels constrained by morals is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard. So I beat the # out of him and took his wallet."
From the book of Macalypes the younger.... although, i might be lying about that..

That was good! Right on, friend. You are right that there is no ultimate truth to any one thing, any one instance. Once an event, thing, of feeling became truth, it would them mold into a [thing] such as Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Boogy Man. Humans are not just human, they are also Creators, and their thoughts manifest material beings and things. This very thing was done with the Montauk Monster...

The results of the Montauk Experiments give us more indications of the hidden potentials of human beings. If it was possible for one sensitive person to materialise from the ether the objects of his thoughts and also to play with the web of time and space, to create a vortex into the past and future. Then it is possible for all humans beings to achieve similar results. If we leave it to others to expand our awareness we will not be able to develop our own imagination which is the way for us to master our own manifestation of reality.

Overall the Montauk Experiment has shown that what we have been told of reality is by far more complex, that the potentials of our creativity are extremely more dynamic and that our place in time and space is way beyond the concepts of linear existence.

source

Always take this into account when deciding what is reality. In my considered opinion, I think the reality we now live in is very Matrix like, programmed for our enjoyment, or our sorrow. The MSM participate in this, and the master who run the show I think are inter-dimensional beings that many have called the Reptilians, for we see their signature all over, in adds and emblems.

Serpent (symbolism)

Symbolism and Iconography of the Serpent

Galactic History according to Alex Collier and the Andromedans

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Are you talking about fundamentalists back up in the Ozarks, the hillbillies still making moonshine and living in the 19th Century or something? Where are you getting this material? David Letterman?

Let me tell you what a REAL Christian believes, okay?


While this ethnic slur has merit, as many do, might I point that the REAL Christians among hillbillies are strict tee-totalers. Where they reign, alcohol isn't just frowned upon, it's illegal.
Oddly enough, the points you express as denoting real Christians mirror what I learned in a pew back in the 19th century. The hillbilly fundamentalists I grew up with are isolationistto the extreme. No organization, no conventions, no missions.
Perhaps you're confusing them with that "cracker" brand of fundamentalism; the big box megachurch, voting bloc, Eric Prince Blackwater Xe type of evangelicals. The ones who have every intention of infiltrating our military to fulfill their duty as "real" Christians.

reply to post by Peloquin

This is so SICK, to initialize wars to accomplish Armageddon and the return of Christ.

This is an extreme perversion of christian faith. This is truly evil.

what do those people believe? That Jesus would reward them for bringing death to billions?

I wholeheartedly agree with that, friend. I hear that all the time, "I will be so happy when Armageddon comes, and the Nations rise to attack Israel, for then Jesus will come, and he will smite the oppressors of Israel, and establish a kingdom on Earth where all Christians can dwell in perfect happiness, while all sinner roast in Hellfire forever." Sounds a lot like a fairy tale, doesn't it? All based on one book that supposedly a God helped to write. Personally, I think I will trust my own instincts, and not some book of confusion and myth.

BIBLE & JESUS MYTH

reply to post by dawnstar

all the new agers are just gonna send their energy into mother earth and heal it!

Not a "new ager," but rather an old Wiccan, and we too are sending energy into the Mother, but the Mother weeps as, She dies again at the hands of her children. The end of the present cycle approaches, and the Wheel turns again. She will escape from the Dragon that is Religion, and safely bear a new world. Blessed Be, friend.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

where in the bible does it mention guns?
or did i miss that page?

Oh, it's probably in there, in the back somewhere. Weapons have always been a part of this experiment, there has to remain a balance, or all crashes like a house of cards.

Why is there so much hatred of a man who said that the most important commandment is to love your neighbor as you would yourself?

Sadly because people have taken that commandment and buried it underneath a mountian of rubbish like Right to Life, and rapture doctrine and the dreaded gay agenda ect;

I am not a Christian, I'm probably an Atheist, I haven't quite made up my mind yet, and I often change my mind, but I do respect the teachings of Jesus, and whole heartedly agree with his commandment regarding loving your neighbours AND enemies.

I DO believe it is an issue as discussed in the report, as the "Christian" vote IS sought after by politicians. They aren't running after moderate methodists though, it's the Bible as literal, End is nigh, pray in schools types that are being courted.

WWJD? I am confident he wouldn't be screaming in front of abortion clinics, supporting Israel uniltarally or hoping for the slaughter of millions so the rapture could happen.

reply to post by Norio Hayakawa


I have to say it's pretty interesting read (OP)..I will have to think about in detail and go through the link you provided. Will reserve comment until then.

I'm told there is a religious group who works diligently to speed up the process. If anybody's interested..........it's located in Crawford, Texas.

Originally posted by JJBB22
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa
Have you ever noticed Christianity is the one belief/faith system that people abuse more than any other?

"Oh Jesus Christ"

"Oh for God's sake"

I don't see many people saying "Oh for Buddha's sake" etc etc. Nor do I see many slam Islam, Catholicism, Kabbalah.

Perhaps that's because you live in a country where the vast majority of people are Christian.

Add to that that Buddha isn't a god, 99% of people know nothing about Kabbalah, and since the Allah of Islam is the same as the God of Christianity, the second of your "swears" applies equally to Muslims. Oh, and Catholics are also Christians.

But feel free to continue wallowing in victimhood.