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Originally posted by dawnstar
but, I would like to point out that it's not just the christian religion that has a segment of it working hard to fullfill their prophecies.
I've also noticed glimpses of it from within the jewish religion, and well, the Islamic religion has more than a glimpse.
Text“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.” -Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Originally posted by pablos
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa
Can you please post the exact bible extract and book and chapter number that refers to the rapture.
I just want to read how you got the rapture from the bible. You say it is clearly suggested but I do not know this "clear" suggestion of which you speak.
And to answer your question What is wrong with believing this crud, It is the fact that too many people buy into it and to believe this means giving away your independence as the lord owns you.
And being owned by a fairy tale would suck.
At least have the guts to say these are your beliefs and stop saying they when you are obviously using this forum as a pulpit.
I don't mind you using it in this way, that is not my issue, merely your distancing yourself from your beliefs almost as if you don't quite believe it yourself.
And yet, this "common sense" approach, though convenient, is a trap, a misapprehension condoned and encouraged by the priestly cohorts. They are happy to debate and discuss their hero's claims to deity ('a matter of faith') but want us all to accept Jesus of Nazareth as an historical fact. For them, the negation of that "fact" has cataclysmic implications and therefore they resist that possibility with every means within their grasp.
And yet Gods do fall, as the ruins of Upper Egypt and Greece eloquently testify. Was there ever a Horus or an Apollo? It scarcely matters if some shadowy figure was ever consciously in the mind of the original priests who concocted the fables. The Olympian gods ruled for two thousand years and the Egyptian deities for twice that time.
No one "just made-up" Jesus. If we step around the centuries of fabrication and glorification which informs everyone's perception of Jesus Christ and closely examine the two hundred year gestation period of the current Lord and Saviour we can see a perfectly plausible and, indeed, convincing process by which, upon the legacy of earlier times and from piety and scripture alone, the Christian godman emerged into the light. Beliefs created the man; the man did not create the beliefs.
"A cycle of lessons, or perhaps a manual for preachers, was drawn up for ecclesiastical usage, and it was upon this liturgical foundation that the Gospels were based."
– Grant, Jesus, p180.
Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by Danbones
don't get me wrong these are not my words but wish to try and determin what they are pointing to in it's intended understanding so certain ones come to mind that I think pertain to a subject because I have read them and to see what you think, but bottom line is I heard a voice and seen a heavenly being(that another poster said was probably a cherub).
This is all I claim to know with absolute life and death certainty so I stand by the scriptures because the voice and what was said matches what the scriptures say so on the one hand I find a very glorious feeling and the other very frightening which probably has everything to do with knowing merciful scriptures the most but I still eat and drink I just can't write worth a ..
Originally posted by Avarice
I just didn't see the message they were trying to get across by writing that article...
Originally posted by FireMoon
"One day, I came upon a man urinating in a bus station. When I confronted him about his action, he turned to me, without stopping, and said: "Keep in mind that since the universe is in constant flux, nothing that occurs one moment has any relevance to anything else. Everything you belive, feel or think is based on the false assumption that truth exists. Thus, you are free to do any action which brings you pleasure. That humanity feels constrained by morals is one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard. So I beat the # out of him and took his wallet."
From the book of Macalypes the younger.... although, i might be lying about that..
The results of the Montauk Experiments give us more indications of the hidden potentials of human beings. If it was possible for one sensitive person to materialise from the ether the objects of his thoughts and also to play with the web of time and space, to create a vortex into the past and future. Then it is possible for all humans beings to achieve similar results. If we leave it to others to expand our awareness we will not be able to develop our own imagination which is the way for us to master our own manifestation of reality.
Overall the Montauk Experiment has shown that what we have been told of reality is by far more complex, that the potentials of our creativity are extremely more dynamic and that our place in time and space is way beyond the concepts of linear existence.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Are you talking about fundamentalists back up in the Ozarks, the hillbillies still making moonshine and living in the 19th Century or something? Where are you getting this material? David Letterman?
Let me tell you what a REAL Christian believes, okay?
While this ethnic slur has merit, as many do, might I point that the REAL Christians among hillbillies are strict tee-totalers. Where they reign, alcohol isn't just frowned upon, it's illegal.
Oddly enough, the points you express as denoting real Christians mirror what I learned in a pew back in the 19th century. The hillbilly fundamentalists I grew up with are isolationistto the extreme. No organization, no conventions, no missions.
Perhaps you're confusing them with that "cracker" brand of fundamentalism; the big box megachurch, voting bloc, Eric Prince Blackwater Xe type of evangelicals. The ones who have every intention of infiltrating our military to fulfill their duty as "real" Christians.
This is so SICK, to initialize wars to accomplish Armageddon and the return of Christ.
This is an extreme perversion of christian faith. This is truly evil.
what do those people believe? That Jesus would reward them for bringing death to billions?
all the new agers are just gonna send their energy into mother earth and heal it!
Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by K J Gunderson
where in the bible does it mention guns?
or did i miss that page?
Why is there so much hatred of a man who said that the most important commandment is to love your neighbor as you would yourself?
Originally posted by JJBB22
reply to post by Norio Hayakawa
Have you ever noticed Christianity is the one belief/faith system that people abuse more than any other?
"Oh Jesus Christ"
"Oh for God's sake"
I don't see many people saying "Oh for Buddha's sake" etc etc. Nor do I see many slam Islam, Catholicism, Kabbalah.