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John Podesta - UFO disclosure could destabilize society

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posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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I've seen a few new threads today bearing the news that some EU member has called for UFO disclosure. That reminded me of a little snippet of news I read a couple of days ago with someone wanting the opposite.

John Podesta, one time white house chief of staff under Bill Clinton said just a few years back that it was time for the US government's disclosure of UFO.

Just a couple of days ago it was claimed he's made a total U-turn on that and say disclosure could "destabilize society." Wonder what's made him change his mind? Anyone have any more information on that other than the one news item I could find? Who is John Podesta?



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Podesta’s reversal on UFOs is mystifying

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posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 02:22 PM
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The people with contradicting beliefs will freak. Every non ignorant person will go "Now we know".

All in all, I would say a good part of the population is ignorant, and when ignorant people get angry, they do some unpredictable things.

Society crashing? I could see that. But, that would just give us another excuse to start a new.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Interesting, maybe he did a little digging and actually found some answers or someone in the know that would talk to him. Unfortunately for him and I guess all of us what he found was a little more complex than a grey alien flying around in a saucer. If that's the case, and I have no idea I'm just speculating, whatever he found out scared him enough to reverse his stance.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Don't know much about Podesta but the guy that he's allegedly warned off, Wilbur Allen, is the guy with the supposed 'hyoerdimensional' UFO pictures over DC... thats already been discussed here and given a bit of a drubbing as long exposure shots.
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The washington source, reporter 'Alfred Lambremont Webre' , turns out to be somebody with an exopolitics book to push. Just put his name in google.

It doesn't mean Mr Podesta hasn't done a U-turn worthy of discussion, but the article immediately goes down in the credible and impartial stakes. For me anyway.

Can we find corroboration of the Podesta comments from elsewhere?



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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Seems like, most probably, he was just made privy to some knowledge kept private from him until now. Probably read a government report about the effect of disclosure on society in general.

I fully agree that riots and general disorder would ensue, no doubt about it. Most people are ignorant and uneducated, closed-minded and so on; why do you think religion is so popular, world-wide? Keep the masses occupied with imaginary friends.

But it will happen, if there is something to disclose then it is inevitable it will be disclosed, eventually. Even though mass hysteria will occur, it should not be a deterrent to the progress of humanity. People will have to adapt, religion leaders will have to adapt or make way.

We should be afraid of the implications of disclosure, after all we ARE surrounded by people, but we must also welcome it. Yes, the church burned a few people in the past for saying the Earth was not in the center of the universe but the truth came out; many more people may die with a disclosure, but it is necessary none-the-less.

Kharron



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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He probably fell into the clutches of the cabal goverment, they scared him to hell by making him beleive ETs are Aliens and they want to enslave us
Many hight profile people that dont want disclosure are victime of such mis and dis information.

ET Disclosure IS the best and most important thing for our civilization! it will put the self proclaime elites out of the job so that why they make there hechnmen (Cabal government) do this crime to humanity.

DONT be fooled!

Disclosure is important and very good for our evolution!



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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I'd love to see a destabilised society. Our "stable" little world makes me sick.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Sorry, I don't buy the whole "Destabilization" theory AT ALL! I believe most of the drooling mouth-breathers would just say, "Cool!" and go back to their video games or American Idol without giving it much of a second thought. Remember, these are the same people that have enough faith in the government to "Take care of things". The religious zealots migh freak out a little bit, but they would use their holy books to rationalize the existence as the "Will of God!" and again, continue about their business.

Now, the tiny minority of us who possess enough logic, wisdom and intelligence would get excited about it and demand to know more and would consume any information fed to us like a hobo on a biscuit!


But destabiliation... nah! I just don't see it. The majority of people lack passion and the innate ability to truly digest all that full disclosure would mean.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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It would all depend on what was "disclosed," I suppose. If undeniable proof was presented that UFOs represented visitations by an alien species, then it probably would cause all kinds of panic and conflict in society. If they were presented as friendly or indifferent, then maybe the panic would be less severe immediately, but because of mistrust and paranoia, it would eventually grow. After all, millions of people were killed during the 20th Century simply with the introduction of a couple of ideas - communism and fascism. Proof of aliens being real could cause similar conflicts.

If UFOs were disclosed to be time travelers/time machines, it would be a little trickier. Some people want to know the future, some don't. Either way, there would be paranoia about manipulation of the timeline. There would also be a huge problem about the disclosure itself screwing up the timeline. I imagine that the government would want to keep time travel even more of a secret than aliens.

If UFOs were disclosed to be some kind of odd but generally benign manifestation of multi-dimensional travel and our consciousness/ perceptions, that might not be so bad. Although, again, getting people to believe it might be a problem.

What it all boils down to is that most people won't believe any disclosure unless it confirms what they already believe. That's why disclosure is kind of a myth.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 09:09 PM
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Isn't that statement a sort of disclosure? Not very complete though. If disclosure would destabilize us, that would mean there is something to disclose. Otherwise how could destabilization come about? Maybe it's scarier than he first thought.


I am in agreement with Bigern here on this one.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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When someone in the public eye pulls a 180 on any topic I think they owe it to their audience to at least explain themselves. For him to completely reverse himself like that and offer no explanation just seems a little fishy to me. I think you're right though, on some small level this does seem to be a disclosure of some sort. As usual though we're left with more questions, frustrating.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:50 AM
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Well, well, well! What do we have here?!

Mr. Podesta changing his mind?

If true, either what he has discovered is only man-made in origin OR so complex that it would irreversibly "alienate" our world.

However, either way, the truth will eventually come out whether they like it or not.




[edit on 7-7-2010 by Exv8densez]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 03:55 AM
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In my opinion I think that this subject is often thought of in a couple different situations.

For example:

If the governments of the world came out and told us all that they know, and have known, that E.T.s are real and they have evidence with which they will share with us over a certain period of time. I believe many people would be concerned and might have a panic attack here and there, but the total de-stabilization of society is a stretch.

Ex. 2:

If the governments of the world came to us and said that they have known of E.T.s for some time and they are coming to us now to inform us that the aliens will be arriving on Earth in mass numbers and will be living alongside us in our everyday lives. I believe this may cause a bit more than a panic attack and might cause the de-stabilization of a country club or two.

I believe the problem is not HOW disclosure would de-stabilize, but WHAT TYPE of disclosure is given. The governments, surely knowing this, could easily come up with a speech and plan that would inform the public in the most calm and orderly fashion that would only provoke the desired low-level of random acute panic attack, while the majority await the rest of the detailed information to be given to us at a later date.

This would allow the idea that, 'Yes, this is happening' to set in and cause less of a paradigm shift.



[edit on 7-7-2010 by esteay812]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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This story needs more supporting claims, like Podesta himself doing a u turn and not someone claiming he did.

If he did do a u-turn, its probably due to the darker aspects of the phenomena and the probability the phenomena isn't extraterrestrial.

I don't think most people would be able to handle it. We would have psychogenic epidemics breaking out all over the world as news spread, like something out of a H.P. Lovecraft tale.

[edit on 7/7/10 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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The question seems to me to be less about who this John Podesta is, and more about who it was who persuaded him that his original standpoint was somehow invalid .
In my view, the destabilisation of the worlds governance can only result in favourable conditions in the long run, for freedom, and total seperation of government and population, a goal I think ought to be striven for by everyone.
This is because the current methods, of the few leading the many , are flawed in a most drastic fashion. We live in a world where the people on the street know more about the problems , and thier solutions , than the suited ignorant savages in parliments around the world. This is unsustainable . If we learn about UFO and extra terrestrial matters, yes it may destabilise the world, but it will likely as not force factions who oppose one another, to consolidate and combine in order to preserve thier strength, bringing people, attitudes and cultures together , for the benifit of the whole.

And, to be honest, do we really think that the future of the human race is worth any damn thing at all , if we cannot accept the truth to the point where hearing it will destroy us ? I believe that if we cannot handle the truth, we should hear it and burn as punishment for our absolutely disgraceful lack of open mindedness and adaptability !



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 01:09 PM
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Doesn't anybody else find this a bit tenuous?

You have a contactee pushing his "hyper dimensional" UFO photos (Wilbur Allen) talking to an exopolitics campaigner on his radio show (Alfred Lambremont Webre).

During the conversation Mr Allen alleges that a third person "Everett Bellamy' spoke to him (at a time and place not defined) and conveyed a message from Mr Podesta warning him against taking his photographs.

There is no evidence in this that John Podesta has changed his opinion on the subject at all. All the different sources carrying this have all taken it from the same place.....

Am I missing something? I'll admit i've not been around long but this seems thin.



posted on Jul, 8 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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This article is BULL CRAP.

John Podesta recently wrote the forward for Leslie Kean's new book:
www.amazon.com...

www.amazon.com...

[edit on 8-7-2010 by ufo reality]



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Whenever someone does a 180 like this - especially considering he wrote the foreword for a book that WILL BE published August 10, 2010 - it is usually for one or both of the following reasons:

1. He was paid or promised huge payment.
2. He was threatened into saying it.

Either way, he loses credibility because you don't know what side of the mouth he speaks out of is the truth.



posted on Jul, 13 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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I don't see a contradiction or 180 with Podesta's comment.

I think you could be for a release of UFO/alien information and yet still acknowlege full blown disclosure would be destabilizing. I think it's extremely naive to believe otherwise. If the officials/govt/media disclose the fact that offworld cultures have visted and interacted with this planet since before most of us were born, it would have a tremendous impact on the world's power structure and economy.

I think Podesta doesn't have any more hard evidence than the rest of us, however his service in govt and connections have earned him confidential sources.

Concerning Alfred Webre, I have no idea what he's up to these days, but he did have a personal connection to the UFO conspiracy. He was at Stanford University and was going to be a part of President Carter's commission to study UFOs or aliens or something and the Pentagon got wind of it and threatened Stanford with a loss of all contracts if they went ahead with the White House because "Ufos don't exist". The story is independently corroborated by Daniel Sheehan.



posted on Jul, 18 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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I was wondering if anyone here has heard of Dr. Steven Greer.
He is head of the "Disclosure Project", head of C.S.E.T.I.
Dr. Greer has briefed President Obama, in 2009.
You can just google "the Disclosure Project and Dr. Steven Greer.
I think you will find some interesting and informative information.




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