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Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year, Study Finds

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posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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When I was 11 months old, I came across the border with my Parents Visa, the Visa Expired some time thereafter not sure when I was a little kid, however my dad was asked by his Employer Solocup to just move so Immigration wouldnt deport him.

Whilst working for Solo Cup my dad had taxes taken from his check and didn't complain of course, he worked his arse off and managed to buy the building I am living in now, he pays his property taxes every year. At the time, there was a great need for a workforce, and my dad says it, "now there's just not enough work with this economy and there's just too many of us".

We are all Naturalized now, thanx to the Amnesty that passed back in the 80's, but I just want to point out, we were never on welfare, we didn't take any hand outs, none of my brothers or sisters are involved in gangs, drugs etc.. all the things "Illegals" are accused of. We were Illegal for a while yet we didn't take hand outs and we own the property, paid for with hard earned cash (my dad started off making about 3 dollars an hour when he started working at Solo Cup).

I understand the reasoning behind some of the things people are saying about Illegals, and I can agree with some things as well; but to assume ALL illegals are costing money, is absurd, I am sure my family is not the only one that was and is not taking hand outs, we pay taxes as well, and the Illegals pay rent wherever they live so that goes to the owner who in turn pays the taxes and such for his property etc.. I say if anything, have a one strike policy, if Caught in an illegal act, definitely deport the person, there's gonna be bad apples wether you are illegal or not, when a criminal commits a crime such as a burglary, rape, murder etc.., I doubt he leaves his calling card so everyone can know he was a legal U.S. Citizen. I say keep and give amnesty to Illegals that contribute to the country and economy and deport the ones mooching, as I am sure not all are mooching, some were hit by the hard times that once contributed greatly to the country and economy.

More damage will be done by blindly deporting everyone. There are scoundrels and scum bags that come across, it's not because of their ethnicity, it's just part of the diversity of humnas in general, as we know there are white, black, chinese and every other race or ethnic scum bags as well.

Many argue that it's not a racial issue, and for some I honestly believe that to be true, but others I get the sense of an underlying racial hatred. Keep humanity in mind, there are more "Illegals" that do contribute to the country and economy than people think.




posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by guohua
The study, a copy of which was provided to FoxNews.com, “is the first and most detailed look at the costs of illegal immigration ever done,” says Bob Dane, director of communications at FAIR, a conservative organization that seeks to end almost all immigration to the U.S.


Yep. That's sounds like an independent and unbiased study to me. For a second there I thought I was listening to group with a specific agenda that happens to be consistent with the results of their own study.

I'm sure all the members of that group do not buy low-priced fruits and vegetables from their local supermarkets. After all, it would be hypocritical to complain about illegal immigrants while continuing to buy food products that are low priced as a result of being picked by illegal aliens in an economy that has a severe labor shortage in the agricultural field.


However, in recent years, FAIR has: acknowledged and defended
having received grants reportedly totaling around $600,000 from the Pioneer Fund, which has been described by The New York Times as having been established for the express purpose of promoting research into eugenics, and which has sponsored projects based on the notion that Blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites.

Source



On April 19, 2000, 16 Republican Senators sent a letter to colleagues in support of Senator Abraham, charging that FAIR was “engaging in a smear campaign against immigrants in general and one of our colleagues in particular.” The open letter stated: “One of the great privileges of being an American is the right to say things that are stupid and even offensive; FAIR is clearly exercising that right. However, other Americans, even U.S. senators, have an equal right — indeed, responsibility — to speak out in response. Accordingly, we strongly condemn and reject this sort of smear campaign and urge all of our colleagues, regardless of party, to do the same. FAIR’s venom may be able to go uncensored, but it should never go uncensured or uncondemned.”

Source


Judis responded by referring back to the 1999 FAIR ad. He said: “The despicable implication was clear: Abraham, an Arab-American, wanted to repeal the provision in order to protect his terrorist kinfolk.”


Yeah - seems like really classy group of guys.



[edit on 6-7-2010 by andrewh7]



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Come Clean
I wonder how much money is made off illegal immigrants? If no one hires them then they will go home.

it's funny you should say that.
I started a thread about it
a while back.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Yet it seems they're still working. Fact is, someone WANTS them working.

ur correct
and it is Obama himself


Little noticed, last Friday the Obama administration yet again
tried to make it easier for illegal aliens to stay in the United States.
In a brief filed with the Supreme Court, the administration asked the
court to carve out a special exemption for businesses who break
the law by hiring illegal aliens.


www.foxnews.com...

this is one of the reasons why Kagan should not be allowed
on the SCOTUS.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by guohua
The study, a copy of which was provided to FoxNews.com, “is the first and most detailed look at the costs of illegal immigration ever done,” says Bob Dane, director of communications at FAIR, a conservative organization that seeks to end almost all immigration to the U.S.


Yep. That's sounds like an independent and unbiased study to me. For a second there I thought I was listening to group with a specific agenda that happens to be consistent with the results of their own study.

I'm sure all the members of that group do not buy low-priced fruits and vegetables from their local supermarkets. After all, it would be hypocritical to complain about illegal immigrants while continuing to buy food products that are low priced as a result of being picked by illegal aliens in an economy that has a severe labor shortage in the agricultural field.


However, in recent years, FAIR has: acknowledged and defended
having received grants reportedly totaling around $600,000 from the Pioneer Fund, which has been described by The New York Times as having been established for the express purpose of promoting research into eugenics, and which has sponsored projects based on the notion that Blacks are genetically less intelligent than whites.

Source



On April 19, 2000, 16 Republican Senators sent a letter to colleagues in support of Senator Abraham, charging that FAIR was “engaging in a smear campaign against immigrants in general and one of our colleagues in particular.” The open letter stated: “One of the great privileges of being an American is the right to say things that are stupid and even offensive; FAIR is clearly exercising that right. However, other Americans, even U.S. senators, have an equal right — indeed, responsibility — to speak out in response. Accordingly, we strongly condemn and reject this sort of smear campaign and urge all of our colleagues, regardless of party, to do the same. FAIR’s venom may be able to go uncensored, but it should never go uncensured or uncondemned.”

Source


Judis responded by referring back to the 1999 FAIR ad. He said: “The despicable implication was clear: Abraham, an Arab-American, wanted to repeal the provision in order to protect his terrorist kinfolk.”


Yeah - seems like really classy group of guys.



[edit on 6-7-2010 by andrewh7]


Thank you! I was just about to say something about the agricultural business. Hypocrites!



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:51 PM
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How do you expect me to take a report seriously when it is full of the word "ASSUME?"

I counted 25. This whole report is based on assumptions.

www.fairus.org...



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Come Clean
 


Haven't we constantly heard of steps being taken to do this? Yet it seems they're still working. Fact is, someone WANTS them working. And we're being fed even more lies.

Banks don't even require a SSN from illegals when they open an account. Yet, under the Patriot Act, I as an American citizen cannot open an account without one?

[edit on 7/6/2010 by ~Lucidity]


We need them just as much as they need us. We can scream and holler all day long about illegals but someone DOES want them here. It's slavery except you're getting paid. Sometimes you don't even get paid. They just drop you off and drive away.



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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reply to post by Majestic Lumen
 


It sounds as if your dad was here on a work visa. The visa expired and then what? He was asked to move where? He was illegal? And paying taxes? How did that work?



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 11:59 PM
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reply to post by Come Clean
 


No we don't. Who says? Who is this "someone?" We've already discussed that.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Gangs of New York quote:

Boss Tweed: Bill, I can't get a days work done for all the good citizens coming in here to harass me about crime in the Points. Some even go so far as to accuse Tammany of connivance in this so-called rampant criminality. What am I to do? I can't have this. Something has to be done.

Bill: What do you have in mind?

Boss Tweed: I don't know. I think maybe we should hang someone.

Bill: Who?

Boss Tweed: No one important, necessarily. Average men will do. Back alley amusers with no affiliations.

Bill: How many?

Boss Tweed: Three or four.

Bill: Which?

Boss Tweed: Four.

When they do those raids it's all for show. They want these people here because Americans won't do what they do. Unless of course, its minimum wage and health care involved. Then the price of an apple will be 6 dollars a pound.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Come Clean
 


No we don't. Who says? Who is this "someone?" We've already discussed that.


How many Americans you know will work for 1 dollar a day picking fruit? A homeless man or woman can make that much just from panhandling.

Someone is Joe Blow the independant contractor who doesn't want to pay health insurance. Someone is Jane Blow who hires a maid and doesn't pay taxes. Someone is Governor Blow who makes illegal immigration a hot topic just so they can get votes.

That's who they are.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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reply to post by Come Clean
 


A dollar a day? Really? Pardon me for being skeptical here, but do you have a source?

I take your point about hiring illegals. They shouldn't be.

Methinks you need to catch up on the thread.

[edit on 7/7/2010 by ~Lucidity]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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I am not against people coming here to better their lives, but we need to know who they are, and the rules of law need to be enforced.

Rouge / terrorist state people need to be screened.

College students on student visas who disappeared while studying such things as nuclear physics, nuclear microbiology, etc etc need to be found asap to find out who they are now, and what they are currently doing.

Anchor baby syndrome needs to be stopped, because we are the only nation that recognizes it, while all the others do not.

Re: our open border with Mexico, its not a matter of if the OTM's will carry across the border nuclear chemical or biological weapones, its a matter of when.

And, Mexico is a Failed state, on our border, We need to impose martial law upon them and clean out the OTM's, and Drug Cartels, then run them ourselves as a US territory. Subject to their own laws, but under our jurisdiction.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Wasn't any different since Reagan. All the presidents since have supported illegal immigration by at the very least turning a blind eye. Some encouraged it. Think about it.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Also instead of blanket Amnesty, which is Comprehensive Immigration Reform, why dont we start a movement going state to state to demand every illegal undocumented worker be required within only months to go sign up for naturalized immigration, pay the fees associated, then weed out those who are criminals, drug pushers, prostitutes, spys, etc etc, it can be done this simple, if we demand it.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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Could be. I don't believe the administration has released any details as of yet as to what form "amnesty" might take?



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by Come Clean
How many Americans you know will work for 1 dollar a day picking fruit? A homeless man or woman can make that much just from panhandling.

something I got in an e-mail
I'd like to share in regards to that
statement.


Jose and Carlos are both beggars. They beg in different areas of town.

Carlos begs the same amount of time as Jose, but only collects about eight
or nine dollars a day.

Every day, Jose brings home a suitcase full of ten dollar bills. He drives a
Mercedes, lives in a mortgage-free house, and has lots of cash to spend.

"Hey, amigo," Carlos says to Jose, "I work just as long and hard as you do,
so how come you bring home a suitcase full of ten dollar bills every day?"

Jose says, "Look at your sign, what does it say?"

Carlos' sign reads;
I have no work, a wife and six kids to support.

"What's wrong with that?" Carlos asks him.

"No wonder you only get eight or nine dollars a day!"

Carlos says, "Alright, so what does your sign say?"

Jose's sign reads:
I only need ten dollars to get back to Mexico.



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by chrisskates
reply to post by guohua
 


*Cough* intollerant *cough*


I don't need to cover my mouth and lower my voice and couigh or anything like that to tell you what I'm thinking. You want to know why, I know you don't, but I'm going to tell you anyway.

I'm not a coward, I'm a Viet Nam Vet, two turns and Loved It!
Over 35 years working for our Government, doing things you'd never do.

So here it is, close your eyes and ears. As far as my Old A$$ is concerned, Your a Open Boarders, Sanctuary City Freak.
Don't like what I just said Run Home To Mama and suck that tit for another year or two before you try to intimidate me again.

I don't support illegals and I don't support people who do, You Don"t Like It, BITE ME!

[edit on 7-7-2010 by guohua]



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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I live in AZ and can tell you this is probably an accurate figure. Schools and hospitals go bankrupt and have huge deficits/budget issues from people willing to look the other way about breaking a FEDERAL LAW. Thats right know your laws, it is a federal law on the books that AZ must enforce since no one else will, including ICE. As states we enforce many federal laws so why pick and choose? Politics? Blur the borders for NWO "international government and law?" I am so sick of hearing people upset over senate bill 1070. Colorado, California, Mexico, Federal government, and Peggy West. Have a look see at government stupidity:

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posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Come Clean
 


A dollar a day? Really? Pardon me for being skeptical here, but do you have a source?

I take your point about hiring illegals. They shouldn't be.

Methinks you need to catch up on the thread.

[edit on 7/7/2010 by ~Lucidity]


Yep, my neighbor says that's what he pays. Me thinks you might be my neighbor.



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