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Most important thought: I'm sick and tired of this thing called "patriotism".
The Japanese pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor were being patriotic. The German people who supported Hitler and his conquests were being patriotic, fighting for the Fatherland. All the Latin American military dictators who overthrew democratically-elected governments and routinely tortured people were being patriotic — saving their beloved country from "communism".
Originally posted by Guenter
... I do not put the States "down" just for the fun of "USA-Bashing". I simply see in them a "New Rome". And even as a kid in class I never saw anything "Great" in the "Great Roman Empire".
Originally posted by Maxmars
I respectfully ask that you consider one additional facet of that perception: Please take into account that what you see and hear of the US is usually brought to you by people who only 'claim' to represent the US, or companies that have a motive to make the claims they do. Their behavior is usually far from patriotic if you look closely enough.
For me, patriotism is about the 'us' in U.S. For others it is a catch phrase, a buzz word, or an attention getter to 'sell' something to their audiences (or victims - depending upon your perspective).
[edit on 6-7-2010 by Maxmars]
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by Maxmars
I respectfully ask that you consider one additional facet of that perception: Please take into account that what you see and hear of the US is usually brought to you by people who only 'claim' to represent the US, or companies that have a motive to make the claims they do. Their behavior is usually far from patriotic if you look closely enough.
For me, patriotism is about the 'us' in U.S. For others it is a catch phrase, a buzz word, or an attention getter to 'sell' something to their audiences (or victims - depending upon your perspective).
[edit on 6-7-2010 by Maxmars]
In many political speeches from your president and others in the main stream media - which unfortunately some 90% of voters get their INFO from, I always hear the term: "Protecting American interests Abroad..."
I have already as a HS student claimed that the "interests of a nation" stop at the very line in the sand of its international borders. Past that line any military presence is an "attack". So please tell me then what are your troops doing in some 800+ bases around the globe? Why are missiles based now in Poland? Why do you need bases in Columbia? Why are you still present in Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, former Yugoslavia etc. ?
Originally posted by Miraj
Here would be my thought on patriotism in America.
No; Not the soldiers that did everything they could to shoot at the Japanese as they bombed pearl harbors, or Fire Fighters (general public safety) that helped get people out of the TWC and then remained after to excavate and rescue the trapped survivors..
But rather the word. It's just a word used to unite people under a feel good; often propaganda banner. Look at Bill O'Reilly, and his pin heads and patriots.. half those time I ask "What makes them a pinhead or a patriot? I see nothing other than an opinion. A bad one."
Or Sean Hannity with his GREAT AMERICAN panel.. Glen Beck with his fake tears, semi-believable conspiracy theories about the "evil" socialists (I have friends in socialist countries, they are good people!)..
I'm sorry to use mainly fox news refferences, but it's all I can imagine at the moment since they do use a false sense of patriotism to buy viewership in my opinion.
But Im sure MSNBC and CNN does it too.
Patriotism is just a propaganda tool in my opinion, usually no matter who uses it. How many people on the board claim to be "real patriots"?
A lot of people, and few agree with eachother.
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by FiatLux
Hardly what I mean. I just think patriotism is used as a propaganda tool.
And that it's rubbed off on a certain political spectrum who thinks that its a good thing..
Originally posted by FiatLux
Ask them why they sent troops to Germany in WW2, or even Korea. Those were "over the line", so that makes it an attack, right? When another country calls on their help like that, would it be better if they just set it out? They can if it happens again, and if it bothers people that much.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by FiatLux]
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Guenter
The whole world is in a steaming pile of crap. The US is the least filthy, and therefor the best.
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by FiatLux
Ask them why they sent troops to Germany in WW2, or even Korea. Those were "over the line", so that makes it an attack, right? When another country calls on their help like that, would it be better if they just set it out? They can if it happens again, and if it bothers people that much.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by FiatLux]
My take on this sending troops to Germany in WW2, Korea and other places has one simple answer: MONEY for the Military Industrial complex. If someone somewhere wouldn't have had made one hell of a profit from it, Hitler's guys still would be happily living and ruling. The US Military does not defend a country as per say the actual USA land mass, but the interests of a few Corporations.
And this is the reason when the ROW begins shaking their heads seeing Americans waving their flags and be happy about "what a great country..." they are.