A look at a war in Iran and what would likely happen, page 3
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reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 04:06 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by Unit541



If you're not talking about their army, and instead the guys with aks and mortars, then yes that will be a while. But that is not a war. That would be called attrition.

That's not how war is fought because in that case, we would never land foot soldiers. We would bomb them. And without them in th cities, their population would replace the government and we'd never have to enter.

Iran's conventional forced would be destroyed in 3 or less weeks. Yes Iran is not Iraq. But its army is. They have their version of the SS and that's something to worry about. But to be honest, if your view of the war occurred, the people would replace them and we would not need to enter.


reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 04:06 PM by kevinunknown
reply to post by SLAYER69



Oh yeah for sure they helped the mahdi army, what I am saying however is that they were not the only cause. There was allot more to it there were other players involved. As for you video i don’t really like waching people killing others, no matter who they are killing. I know about blackwater, i read the book and read the papers.


reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 04:14 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by kevinunknown



Oh I hear ya.

What I'm saying is that Many here still do not realize just how much Iran was involved in the insurgency. Some will deny that they were involved at all. No, I agree that wasn't the only cause for the length of the combat phase but it was a major contributor and did contribute to the lengthening needlessly.

PEACE

Slay



reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 11:16 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by Logarock



To be fair, Iraq couldn't defeat Iran.

To be fairer, Iraq lost.


reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 07:38 AM by Prof. Twister
Nature of survival
When a dog is chased and forced against the wall it will fight back against all odds. When soldiers are left with no retreat and forward is death they will fight with ferocity. In Vietnam, Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan left with inferior weapons to face their mighty invaders they fight with their lives' These are the examples of survival nature.
Fear make us paranoid. Fearful of disease from a mosquito bite we gas as many as we can. Blind with fear we kill innocent people; bomb their country; destroy their defense and fear that they will resurrect in the future to take revenge for what was done to them US invade their country. Kill. capture, imprison and torture those who dare to oppose, the term "either you are with us or you are against us" reflect on the paranoid mentality of the invaders. Enemies are seen everywhere including imaginative ones. After much destruction the invaders try to install a 'friendly' government
The question is did US forced N. Korea and Iran into desperate measures? Faced with the choice to yield or face endless sanctions can a nation be forced to kneel losing all pride and self respect?
We have to change our mentality of feeling insecure and seeing enemies everywhere. Which country in the World would dare attack US knowing very well their country will face extinction? Remove those fear by cultivation compassion, do it to counter the seeds of hatred already sown from within and others.

Consequences of attack to Iran:
1. War against Iran will start JAHAD AKBAR against enemies.
2. Iran would blockade the Straits of Hormuz
3. War quickly gets out of hand. U.S. plans to destroy Iran's anti-aircraft and military infrastructure could easily escalate to destroying Iran's oil-loading and shipment facilities. Iran will retaliate against the UAE,Kuwaiti, Saudi, and Gulf states oil facilities. So oil will jump to troposphere price.
4. The attack would make America even more suspect and hated in the whole Islamic world.
5. American citizens and businesses in many nations would be under threat of attack by militant Iranians and other Muslims.
7. Nobody knows the effectiveness of the Russian and Chinese weapons that have been sold to Iran. There is a risk that they might be very effective.
8. The disasters for America could also weaken and challenge the power of the Israel Lobby, especially AIPAC.
9.Finally, Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan so war against Iran will generaly destabilize Asia, Europe ASAP.

beside Iranian already purchased few operational nuclear head in fall 1990’s. So they don’t need to waste their time for producing Uranium to make bomb.


reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 09:01 AM by oubliette
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to
post by gem_man



Yea that's not much. 1950 Soviet Russia got a rocket into space. It's not hard to do. It does not mean you have ballistic capabilities. It means you know calculus.

Missile launchers aren't worth much, considering you can track the tail smoke and pop a rock on it.

Iran's military is made up of antiquated equipment from the 80s. They've only now started developing T90-like tanks and a few interesting concepts, however nothing in mass production.

Iraq had the same stuff. And we beat them without advanced technology on foot. Now we do have advanced technology everywhere. Iran could not make it more than a week or three. There's simply nothing to stop a team of fighters from nailing down everything.

The entire army of Iraq was destroyed in a few days from bombers and fighter planes. What makes Iran any different? They have a few UAVs, but even they are not that advanced.

Point is simple. There's a good reason why Egypt, Iraq, and army others chose to side with America. They get to use out toys.

Also, Hezbollah is nearly destroyed and Syria has a UN force present in the country.

These are not armies to fight. The US China and Russia are all at least 20 years ahead of Iran. the US is a full half century ahead.


One slight issue your missing in your point, Iraq's army didnt want to fight. Irans army will. And for your information, we are not finished in iraq. hence we are still fighting there. Dont underestimate the ideas of a group of people armed with outdated weaponry and a human mind. Nations have been lost underestimating the power of a so called weak enemy.


reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 01:11 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by oubliette



That's not war, its attrition. And to say simply, Iraq's been pretty quite recently.

icasualties.org...

The Iraq war is more or less over.


reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 06:26 PM by ErEhWoN
reply to post by Gorman91





China gets its oil from US wars, so it can continue to grow and develop. This is probably unofficial debt payment for the US. The US does not want to go to war with China because that would be difficult and probably long and for nothing. China is no longer communist unofficially, so the US and China just want to do business and chilax. Russia is not interested in war as they have their own problems. They are more interested in economic deals with Europe, maybe Africa down the road.


I agree with you ,here. there are Eastern considerations when it comes to the fate of Iran.

Threre are probably 'back channel' deals going on that will make Frontline in a few years.

But China's thirst for energy must be quenched, or there will be trouble for sure.

But any bombing will probably be by IAF, with an assist by the US (refuling, drones, intel, etc).

The response will be interesting to see. Maybe a simultaneous attack by Irans allies? (NK, Syria, Venezuela?)

But if the Chinese are aboard, they will just have 'harsh' diplomatic words for US.

Interesting times, for sure.


reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 07:00 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by ErEhWoN



indeed.

Feed the dragon and it all goes well.

Any biblical connection? who knows.

God help us if we run out of food.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 06:30 PM by coolieno99
reply to post by SLAYER69


Iranian snipers are armed with Steyr HS .50 cal rifles. They purchased 800 of these rifles from Steyr of Austria. The U.S. tried to stop Steyr from selling them to Iran, but Steyr ignored the request and went ahead with the sale.



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