I've been reading quite a bit on this site and others, yet no one seems to have an idea of what "NWO" is. Some people say it's the devil coming back, some say its just a police state. If anyone has a clear answer for me i would appreciate it. Thanks.

NWO IS THE END

The end of sheeple, stupidity and ignorance.

Tetsuo-51
the nwo is a police state where political correctness rules, freedom is lost and they torture you if you disobey the rules, its basically a socialist government an example of just the beginning is canadian society

Others have said it was America. I personally think it was both. The New World Order is nothing more than a new organization of governing bodies that has gained dominance over other governing bodies, one like the UN or NATO. The New World Order is really a battle to control mankind and the New World Order will come in many fashions as many different factions want to control mankind. One of those factions is the Illuminati, others include the Templars, the Rosicrcian Order, The Round Table, and the Knights of Malta. If you look up any of these groups on a search engine than you will find considerable amounts of info on the New World Order. For me, the New World Order is in place and has been for years, it's just that others are trying gain control of that Order because people crave power and security. I believe we will see many unexplained fueds and deaths within governments that people will really never understand unless they knew that the New World Order was being fought for, which it is. You See?????

y are u attacking canadian. The dollar is # and they really don't have that much power

no hope where are you from???
canada is becoming socialist, they haven't become a police state, but the political correctness is off the chart if you say something like, i think white people are better at hockey you get the whole country up in arms

Originally posted by f16falcon
canada is becoming socialist

so the gov't/people are taking ownership of all the private industries?

i don't speak good french and it was way too cold. but that WAS quebec city. oh well.

N0_hope maybe you should learn latin. Novus Ordo Seclorum doesn't mean "New Order for the Ages" by the state department, but by all who were Roman.

Seclorum is the plural genetive of "Generation//Age" and therefore the direct translation means "New Order for the Ages//Generations" and the context is what seperates which. Since on the dollar bill there IS no context, it can be either.

I like to think of it as both, a New order for the Ages (meaning eternal) and for the Generations (meaning for the people through out all time).

I'm really growing tired of your banter, half of it is wrong, the other half is opinions which means it has nothing to do with facts anyways.

In this case you blurred the two together. Making a horribly wrong assumption.

As for the NWO, it doesn't exist, just a big fanciful and imaginative invention by those who think that world politics HAS to be ran by some organized effort. If you look through out all history, this always seems to be the case, was the Peloponesian war an attempt at the NWO to defeat Democracy? Did they only fail to achieve that goal once Rome took power, only to eventually defeat Roman representative democracy with their pawn, Julius Ceasar and the leader of the NWO, Octavius//Augustus. Was Cassius an NWO assassin? Bah.

Open a history book. Nothing going on now, that is any different than what happened 5000 years ago, it's just the stakes are a lot higher. Now we are gambling with the WHOLE world, and not just a city or a prairie.

In close, about "Novus Ordo Seclorum" it too is strait from a poem by Virgil (this is because the person who chose it to be on the seal read Virgil, and he also was not a Freemason. None of the members of the "winning" seal designers were Freemasons.)

Anyways, in Virgil's poem it means the same thing "New Order for the Ages//Generations".

Oh well anyways N0_hope you're wrong, I suggest you read Virgil sometime

To be honest though, and I know this is going to stir the pot but Saeculum meaning "generations//ages" and such (do note the spelling) ALSO can mean "HEATHENISM" so.

If it were "Novus Ordo Saeculorum" it could be New Heathenistic Order or such...Pagan order.

However, one could argue that's why Romans would spell the plural of Saecula as Seclorum, to avoid any such confusions as to if you are referring to a time, a people, or a group of heathens.

Whatever, read Virgil, doesn't even matter since the guy who came up with the seal had NOTHING to do with Secret Societies what so ever.

*EDIT* accidentally spelt saeculorum as saeculum, which is the nomitive and accusitive singular.

Also would like to add, Seculorum//seclorum/saeclorum what have you. It is a Noun. Hence why it is "New order of the Ages//Generations and has nothing to do with the word "Secular" which is an Adjective.

Once again, translations from Medieval Latin to English have bitten the ignorant.

[Edited on 12-3-2003 by Hammerite]

Originally posted by Tyler
NWO IS THE END
The end of sheeple, stupidity and ignorance.

I disagree. The end of sheeple means the end of the NWO's ultimate base of power...Without the unknowing to support the top of the pyramid, it will crumble. The end of stupidity & ignorance themselves would also mean the end of sheeple (& the NWO power-base) simply because, if *everyone* is enlightened, then *no one* needs manipulative leaders to drag them by the nose-rings to accomplish anything.

No, one of the primary goals of the NWO is to *control*...And they can't maintain that control unless they continue to breed more ignorance in the masses.

Thank you everyone for your insights, but who will lead the NWO if it will ever come into power? The UN? I've heard many different views on this one, some were a little strange (i.e. Satan taking the form of a human [[the president]] and ruling the earth for seven years). Thanks again

How splendid to see a bit of Latin, here: and not bad at all - well done, chaps. The old seal-makers do seem to have liked their Virgil "E pluribus unum" is probably Virgilian in origin too).
None of it's quite Virgil: in the nearest ( Aeneid IX) he actually says "annue": an imperative "look favourably upon/smile upon". That's been altered to "has smiled upon": the Virgilian subject is "All-powerful Jupiter": and it may have been a deliberate desire to have a "Supreme Being" suggested rather than "God" in an English/Anglican sense: great ones for separating Church and State and the influence of the French revolution too.
As for "saeculum" - well its later meaning was clearly "century" as in, say, French, Spanish, Italian (siecle, siglo etc -apologies for accents) - it is sometimes an equivalent for "aeon" in the Latin Bible but sometimes "eternity": Older Catholics may know it from the equivalent of "world without end" or "forever and ever" in the Latin mass and liturgy.
It seems to mean something like "time to come": it's probably etymologically related to the Latin for "follow" (as in modern sequel, consecutive" and it should mean something like: "A new Order of the times to come" -maybe of "all time to come" ( It is Genitive plural: "of" but "for" would be acceptable, here."
Probably just a bit of harmless confidence.
As the NWO: I've always said it's the Old WO that worries me; but it's a loose term for international capitalism in its political manifestations - if it's anything. If you consider it to be any more than a very vague metaphor - that's your choice.

Originally posted by echelon

Originally posted by f16falcon
canada is becoming socialist

so the gov't/people are taking ownership of all the private industries?

basically freedoms are takin away in the interest of political correctness and toleration

Try The Round Table and the Rosicrucian Society. Those are two groups that already are New World Orders. Then you could add the Black Nobilty and the 'royal' bloodlines. Some of those bloodlines are the Rothschilds and the Harrimans. So if you look up all these things you will find out who is and will be the New World Order.

This is what the "new world order" means to me :

Our constitution and bill of rights will no longer exsist.
And our own government is leading us straight into this trap. Whether they are aware or not, remains to be seen. But I do believe this is inevitable...the beginning of the end. I agree with Abraham on as far as who is leading us there; adding The Bilderbergers, The Tri-lateral Commision and The secret society known as Skull and Bones. But the real question is-Who are the "pawns" for these people/groups?

If you want to know what NWO is about, read

Running Gods Plan, Things To Come, and The Spirit of Masonry, by Foster Bailey, 33d degree FreeMason;

Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, by Manly P. Hall, 33d degree FreeMason.

These volumes state clearly that the purpose of Freemasonry is to return "The King of the World", who is a Christ but not Jesus Christ, to his throne. All property will be shared and wealth redistributed ( hasn't that been tried, unsuccessfully? ). There will be One World Government and One World Religion: Freemasonry.

your common judge, lawyer, teacher, police officer, city offical, doctor, business man, CEO, movie producer, and post man. I think the pawns of the system of Brotherhood networks are your average ignorant who has been told lies all his life. The system works like a pyriamid and those at the top are not known in this world at this time. It seems like the highest up in our world it goes is in the Black Nobilty or the 'royal' bloodlines of the Royal Family in Europe. The name Pindhar has come up a few times in my reseach and it seems he is who the Royal Family answer to, if not worship.

The real pawns our ourselves.

Why???? Because like pawns we know nothing but what is in front of us, and are assured that the things behind us are looking our way, when in fact they are looking down on us with knives to our backs, just waiting for us to turn on them. When I say turn on them I mean, get curious or weary of the so-called truths. It means asking too many questions to too many people, or even saying too much. I know more groups that are even in the hierarchy of this Brohterhood. One of them is called the Club of Rome and the other is the Royal Institute of International Affairs. These two clubs along with the Trilateral Commision, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations and the Bilderberg Group all come together as an axis and a group of adivsory to the elite of the elite, The Round Table. So the pawns are those that believe that the United Nations is a justified and rightous organization that has everything under control. Well, yeah it does have everything under control, and I mean EVERYTHING. You See?????

Originally posted by f16falcon
basically freedoms are takin away in the interest of political correctness and toleration

well our political freedoms are being taken away as well... and i'm pretty sure it's not the work of socialists.

Ugh...Manly P. Hall made up a lot of "possibilities" that masonry could be this or that for no real reason at all.

Just because he calls himself a "Masonic Historian" doesn't mean he has a clue about History. For accurate research, find books by John J. Robinson. He wrote massive amounts of research about Masonry before he was a Mason, and when he became a Mason he wrote "A Pilgrim's Path."

Anyone who thinks that Masonry is this massive satanic founder of the NWO is an idiot.

And Echelon, the reason we lost so many liberties is because of Democrats, which are nothing short of Communists, they just call themselves a different name.

Democrats, label people (You are a 'n-word' so you get money, you're a fag so you get parades), and they do nothing but say (They aren't Indians, they are "native americans") an assumption that has no factual base, since there are findings that allude that the caucasian race was in the Americas first.

Democrats say "You want more social programs? Well then, surrender states rights, and pay us more income tax, and we shall give you your social programs...MUHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA"

That is where your freedoms go.

You think the Patriot Act is bad? Look at what the Democrats did since the depression.

Aside from violating the constitution directly (we have to be on a gold standard, constiutionally, but we aren't thanks to democrats), they have initiated 4 states of National Emergencies, which gives the president special powers.

None of these Emergencies have been removed. But they have been addressed by the Senate, in a Senate Report 93-549 or something like that, look it up.

If you want to $hit your pants over something real, and not "conspiratorial" and such, look at that Senate Report.

The whole reason why America hasn't burst into Civil War this minute, is because half of the Americans are either foriegners, or their parents are foriegners, and they don't know $hit about American freedom, they love America no matter what the government does, because by damn they come from fetid stink holes torn by civil war.

Ironically, America will fall to facisim, because of Imigrants who move here for freedom, don't realize that their version of freedom, allows us to become Slaves to the Almighty Central Government.

All brought to you by the Democrats.