Giants really were really giants.

Ok the term " giant " means different things to different people . To some the hight 6's to 8's might be seen as a giant to others the term might paint an image of a " Jack in the beanstalk " type of fellow .

Are there large people ranging in size from 7 to 8 feet , sure without doubt .

Are there some ranging in the 10 + feet range ? Not that I have ever seen in a documented way .

If we are to look to the Bible as a resource , which I don't mind , we need to look to the original Hebrew , not an english translation .

Not all bible researchers have came to the same conclusion over the giant / sons of god issue . Most of what we read into the book of Genesis comes from the ideas presented in the book of Enoch . It seems many have chosen the Enoch point of view as a means to fill in the blanks found in Genesis rather then digging deeper into the bible to search out meaning .

Having said that I do not fault the OP and am happy to hear different points of view as this is a topic that I do find interesting .





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Originally posted by Max_TO
Ok the term " giant " means different things to different people . To some the hight 6's to 8's might be seen as a giant to others the term might paint an image of a " Jack in the beanstalk " type of fellow .

Are there large people ranging in size from 7 to 8 feet , sure without doubt .

Are there some ranging in the 10 + feet range ? Not that I have ever seen in a documented way .

If we are to look to the Bible as a resource , which I don't mind , we need to look to the original Hebrew , not an english translation .

Not all bible researchers have came to the same conclusion over the giant / sons of god issue . Most of what we read into the book of Genesis comes from the ideas presented in the book of Enoch . It seems many have chosen the Enoch point of view as a means to fill in the blanks found in Genesis rather then digging deeper into the bible to search out meaning .

Having said that I do not fault the OP and am happy to hear different points of view as this is a topic that I do find interesting .





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I concur with you that "Giants" could very well be a meaning lost in translation. Frankly it could just be a rather prosaic metaphor for people of great stature.

Originally posted by Max_TO


Having said that I do not fault the OP and am happy to hear different points of view as this is a topic that I do find interesting .

So what do you think then? Is Cornell University covering all this up with a whole bunch of fake photos and lengthy study of fake findings or is are these pictures the property of the Indian government and are real?

I'm always been facinated with Giants, not really hard to imagine why when when I live close to one of the Europe’s largest representations of the human form, The Wilmington Giant, or the Long Man of Wilmington.

The Wilmington Giant could be prehistoric, could be Roman or some 18th Century folly.. but still strange the Giant can only be seen in it's correct proportions some 300(ish) feet above the local Church..

The Wilmington Giant is said to have a twin Giant carved into Firl Beacon (now known as the Firl Corn) I would love to see some in depth analysis of the site to see what figure has been carved into the hill..

The legend is that the other Giant on Firl Beacon is named Gil, who fought and killed the Wilmington Giant, and where he fell the outline was carved into the hillside.

for this facinating topic

For those that want to know a little more about this Giant, the best indepth analysis has been by Susex Archeological Society, which goes into detail of lee lines, barrows, crop circles in the area, similar images of the giant on coins, belt buckles etc

www.sussexarch.org.uk...

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
So what do you think then? Is Cornell University covering all this up with a whole bunch of fake photos and lengthy study of fake findings or is are these pictures the property of the Indian government and are real?

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Govt of India ....there was no such news released in any Indian newspaper for that matter. I am a journalist and there was nothing ever reported in any credible newspaper or by the Press Trust of India (PTI).

Don't you think that this would make for a significant discovery?....There is absolutely nothing about this in the The Indian Archaeological Society as well.The pic is an elaborate hoax once you take a good look at it and part of the creationist propaganda.

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Yes very true and the term is used in such a way in more then one instant in the Bible .

Also worth mention ....

Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and [of whom] thou hast heard [say], Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people [be] strong that dwell in the land, and the cities [are] walled, [and] very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.





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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
or is are these pictures the property of the Indian government and are real?

The National Geographic Society has not discovered ancient giant humans, despite rampant reports and pictures.

The hoax began with a doctored photo and later found a receptive online audience—thanks perhaps to the image's unintended religious connotations.
Perpetuating the Myth

Helping to fuel the story's recent resurgence are a smattering of media outlets that have reported the find as fact.

An often cited March 2007 article in India's Hindu Voice monthly, for example, claimed that a National Geographic Society team, in collaboration with the Indian Army, had dug up a giant human skeleton in India.

"Recent exploration activity in the northern region of India uncovered a skeletal remains of a human of phenomenal size," the report read.

The story went on to say the discovery was made by a "National Geographic Team (India Division) with support from the Indian Army since the area comes under jurisdiction of the Army."

Source


Why is there even a debate regarding this picture ? It is taking away from the whole topic of giants in our past , which just may be the case , but that picture is not evidence of anything .

Yes.

Little David (human sized) killed the giant Goliath with a slingshot.

I believe there were giants.

And probably some of the bible stories are true - but not all, no way.

Originally posted by Max_TO
Why is there even a debate regarding this picture ? It is taking away from the whole topic of giants in our past , which just may be the case , but that picture is not evidence of anything .

You must not be reading the thread. I have already posted LOTS of photos from that dig and links to CU as well as the group involved as well as links to everyone at the dig. I got that. However, the OP is insisting the dig photos are fake and CU is lying. The OP insists that the real photo is the one with the human skeleton and is property of India. You said

Having said that I do not fault the OP and am happy to hear different points of view as this is a topic that I do find interesting .

I was curious how you could not fault the OP and be happy to hear different points of view when the OP is the one claiming the dig was faked to cover up the real human skeleton. I hope that helps.

Originally posted by Leonardo01
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Govt of India ....there was no such news released in any Indian newspaper for that matter. I am a journalist and there was nothing ever reported in any credible newspaper or by the Press Trust of India (PTI).

No?

Don't you think that this would make for a significant discovery?....There is absolutely nothing about this in the The Indian Archaeological Society as well.The pic is an elaborate hoax once you take a good look at it and part of the creationist propaganda.

Gosh thanks. Maybe read the thread next time.

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Let me take a step back here and look at my OP , sorry I just don't see what I said that would cause me to find fault with the OP ? I simply offered my take on the topic of giants , no ?

As for the Indian government , which you brought up and directed to me , I simply posted a link directly referring to that picture and sourced it back to N.G .

Not sure what I said that has lead you to believe an implied agenda when that is simply not the case .

Originally posted by Max_TO
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Let me take a step back here and look at my OP , sorry I just don't see what I said that would cause me to find fault with the OP ? I simply offered my take on the topic of giants , no ?

That is the most confusing sentence I have seen in a long time. Nothing YOU said would be reason to fault the OP. Are you talking about another thread or do you own the person that posted the opening post in this thread? I am really confused.

I think what you are asking is what is wrong with the OP? Well, the video she presented is full of hoax pictures that she insists are real and the property of India and part of a university coverup. You find no fault with that?

As for the Indian government , which you brought up and directed to me , I simply posted a link directly referring to that picture and sourced it back to N.G .

So you did not bother to really even read the OP or any other pages in this thread? I did not bring up the Indian government, the OP you found no fault with did.

Not sure what I said that has lead you to believe an implied agenda when that is simply not the case .

You seem very confused. Are you two people? Did you start this thread under a different name? I never suggested you had an agenda. Please do both yourselves a huge favor and actually read this thread and try again.


You said you cannot fault the OP.

The OP claimed those fake pictures are real and owned by India. The OP used them in the film in the OPENING POST as proof. You said you found no fault with that and even you know they are fake pictures. Feels like I JUST EXPLAINED THIS.

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On September 16, 2000, Steve Westin of our staff was a guest at the site outside Hyde Park, New York, where the Paleontological Research Institution and the Cornell Department of Geological Sciences are excavating the skeleton of a mastodon. He used two digital cameras to acquire images of the site, some of which are assembled here. Each of these images is actually a digital mosaic made in our Digital Photography Laboratory by carefully processing and assembling the individual camera images to provide a wider field of view than is available in a single image. Martin Berggren, head of the Digital Photography Laboratory, assisted in the stitching process.

Source


Steve Westin's contact info

I am currently employed at Doron Precision Systems, Inc. Until August 18, 2005, I was responsible for the Light Measurement Laboratory of the Program of Computer Graphics. Until August 2007 I was employed at Animusic, producers of music driven computer animation.

Those pictures are indeed from Cornell University and pertain to the excavation of a mastodon skeleton..

With regard to the topic there is absolutely nothing to show that a giant race of humans once existed.

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What ? Are you for real ?

I offered my opinion stating that I personally see the issue of giants differently then the OP'er . I then politely stated that I find the topic of giants to be interesting , which I do on a scriptural / interoperation level , to only get blasted by you because I don't jump all over the OP'er for making a post here on ATS ???

Is that right , am I seeing this correctly ?

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

What ? Are you for real ?

I offered my opinion stating that I personally see the issue of giants differently then the OP'er . I then politely stated that I find the topic of giants to be interesting , which I do on a scriptural / interoperation level , to only get blasted by you because I don't jump all over the OP'er for making a post here on ATS ???

Is that right , am I seeing this correctly ?

Not even a little. I simply asked you a question based on your post. That was all I did was ask a question.

You decided to "correct" me in a rather indignant manner. I do take that as an insult considering the vast effort I put into showing exactly what you tried to "correct" me with. It is not my fault you decided to not read the thread.

You said

Having said that I do not fault the OP and am happy to hear different points of view as this is a topic that I do find interesting .

So based on that, I asked why you could not find fault. Was her video evidence or not? If not, that seems like a pretty big fault. SO I ASKED.

Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

On September 16, 2000, Steve Westin of our staff was a guest at the site outside Hyde Park, New York, where the Paleontological Research Institution and the Cornell Department of Geological Sciences are excavating the skeleton of a mastodon. He used two digital cameras to acquire images of the site, some of which are assembled here. Each of these images is actually a digital mosaic made in our Digital Photography Laboratory by carefully processing and assembling the individual camera images to provide a wider field of view than is available in a single image. Martin Berggren, head of the Digital Photography Laboratory, assisted in the stitching process.

Source


Steve Westin's contact info

I am currently employed at Doron Precision Systems, Inc. Until August 18, 2005, I was responsible for the Light Measurement Laboratory of the Program of Computer Graphics. Until August 2007 I was employed at Animusic, producers of music driven computer animation.

What are you even doing?

READ THE THREAD!!!!

READ MY POSTS!!!!!

I told you TWICE NOW that I have provided this same information already IN THIS THREAD.

If you cannot read the thread, or even watch the video in the OP, get off my case. You are only proving more and more you are not reading anything. Stop trying to prove it was a mastadon, I KNOW IT WAS. I POSTED ALL THAT INFORMATION. I AM TELLING YOU THE THIRD TIME.

I JUST ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION. YOU ARE CONFUSED. READ THE THREAD AND IT WILL HELP. UNTIL YOU DO, STOP SAYING CRAZY THINGS TO ME.

edit to add: Caps do not indicate yelling but slow, deliberate, pronunciations so that they can be read finally.

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Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

What ? Are you for real ?

All I said before you got weird was the following

So what do you think then? Is Cornell University covering all this up with a whole bunch of fake photos and lengthy study of fake findings or is are these pictures the property of the Indian government and are real?

Hardly jumping on you. I know damn well the photos are of a Cornell University dig. If you read the thread, you would see I posted more information about that than anyone. I simply wanted to know why you find no fault with an OP based on a hoax video. That was all I wanted to know. You read the thread, calm down, get back to me another time. Not looking to get into a crazy off with you, busy with other crazies elsewhere.

Now that the topic creator has revealed themselves to be a vicious anti-Semite who ignores evidence...can we close this thread or something? The "discussion" here is pretty much the opposite of "deny ignorance."

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
or is are these pictures the property of the Indian government and are real?

Based on that quote of yours I was under the impression that you thought something differently .

For the record now .. I don't believe in giants as outlined in the OP but having said that I am not for running the Op into the ground either . Once the topic ha been put out there it's then in our court to respond and bring forth our own points of view and hopefully add to the topic .