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Correct me if I am wrong, but would you consider than maybe your morals where wrong if faced with the knowledge that God is the one who created morals?
Originally posted by Exalted321
reply to post by hippomchippo
When you put it in terms like that do you feel that way because you want to follow god in every way or are you afraid to question? I think that fear drives people to believe because they are afraid of what you would call hell because of their actions while they are alive.
So i ask you this, if there was undeniable proof of god would you be forever in fear of your actions in life because of the "possibility" of eternal damnation?
Given there was proof of God, would not you consider that he does what he does for the overall good? That maybe he might know something that we do not? We would all have to examine our own roles in life.
Originally posted by Exalted321
reply to post by hippomchippo
When you put it in terms like that do you feel that way because you want to follow god in every way or are you afraid to question? I think that fear drives people to believe because they are afraid of what you would call hell because of their actions while they are alive.
So i ask you this, if there was undeniable proof of god would you be forever in fear of your actions in life because of the "possibility" of eternal damnation?
Fair enough. Why do you think God did what he did? Because he is evil? Christ said a house divided cannot stand. Everything happens for a reason. If we do not understand something we usually look it up or ask someone that does. How about, given proof, you would just ask God why he did it and listen to his explanation, then you will have all the sources to make the best decision.
Originally posted by Exalted321
reply to post by Conclusion
I would expect that if there was judgment a free pass from hell to heaven would be a gift greater than all but why would anyone be given a free pass? If your sins can be wiped out no matter what you do then what is the need for hell?
Given the fact that is there is no undeniable proof of god, Do you fear to question the fact that there might not be a higher power, an all knowing all seeing god?
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
reply to post by Conclusion
Fair enough. Why do you think God did what he did? Because he is evil? Christ said a house divided cannot stand. Everything happens for a reason. If we do not understand something we usually look it up or ask someone that does. How about, given proof, you would just ask God why he did it and listen to his explanation, then you will have all the sources to make the best decision.
Thanks for responding! I responded to another point you made, but you might have missed it, or you are reading it now, haha.
It kind of connects to this point.
I need to specify something. Would we have all access to talk with God and receive an answer for the reasons he does certain things that do not seem possibly good in any way? If we are, then I would certainly ask, and based on God's response, I would then decide if it was truly good or not.
Kind regards
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
reply to post by Conclusion
I responded to your previous point, but you posted while I was responding. I will now answer this one.
Given there was proof of God, would not you consider that he does what he does for the overall good? That maybe he might know something that we do not? We would all have to examine our own roles in life.
For the overall good? I would have to have proof that what he does is for the overall good. I do not see how creating people God knows will go to Hell and suffer forever, but allows them to come into existence anyway, is overall good in any way.
There are other examples as well. This is just one.
Kind regards
Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590378/
So...is that a yes or no from you?
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
reply to post by Conclusion
I see!
So let me review some things.
A undeniable proof of God comes forward. You are able to speak with God and receive an answer to any question you might have about why God does the certain things he does.
If God's answers make sense and really ARE overall for the good, then I would certainly follow him.
As a side point, I don't see why a God NEEDS worshiping, but I'm sure God would be able to answer that point too, haha!
Kind regards
Originally posted by Conclusion
Originally posted by Hitotsumami
reply to post by Conclusion
I see!
So let me review some things.
A undeniable proof of God comes forward. You are able to speak with God and receive an answer to any question you might have about why God does the certain things he does.
If God's answers make sense and really ARE overall for the good, then I would certainly follow him.
As a side point, I don't see why a God NEEDS worshiping, but I'm sure God would be able to answer that point too, haha!
Kind regards
That is a good question. Why does God need to be worshiped?
I don't know, unless it is just to show that we recognize his authority as the Creator. My best guess. lol
Originally posted by Tryptych
Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread590378/
So...is that a yes or no from you?
I don't think there's such a simple answer to this. If we go looking for a bearded man in the sky, we can't find one, simply because it isn't rational. Or logical.
I do believe, however, that many of the allegories in the bible (and other "holy" scriptures) have some real basis. That's what they are. We can find similarities in these texts, f.e. the Genesis in the bible and the ancient Egyptian creation myths.. and like how "god" made man into his own image etc etc. It COULD mean how the soul/mind/whatever of "god" is reflected in us, in our psyche. Or in any living thing for that matter.
But maybe, if we want to understand what this is all about ("god", life), we should just study the phenomenons of the nature, from all angles. If we go reading some esoteric texts, word by word, it will probably get us nowhere. I think that the answers to every existential question (on this plane at least) are scattered all around us.
We should try to figure out what we're trying to find.
[edit on 4/7/2010 by Tryptych]
I always heard that in order for god to expand he needs to be loved, and that without our love he wouldn't expand and would...I dunno grow stale or something? I'm not big on God stuff. But it does make me think of how the universe is expanding...