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Iran warns that it will quit talks if UN sanctions are tightened

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posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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I am not going to continue pushing the attack since you're obviously pissed and patriotic, and I don't blame you for that.

I think you do understand what I am saying since you do see the errors of your government. None of this was meant to be an attack on the American people so I will leave it at that and bid you a good night.

Edit: pissed is the English version - steamed, inebriated, etc not annoyed.

[edit on 4/7/2010 by PuterMan]




posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:14 PM
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A half bad, cancerous POS government mutated into half a police state that is still the most free nation on Earth with the most power is not something to fight. It is something to be part of and fix.

I have my theory of when a revolt might happen. I have two time lines in my head. I only hope I can help fix it before the worst one comes true.



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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****SHRUG****

Whats there to talk about anyway? NOTHING except : are we there to conquer or there to play war from a politicians play book? If we want to conquer, it'd be easy as pie. Iran knows we arent there for that. SO exactly what is there to talk about?


Any sane government would see there are but 2 actual viable options...

#1 Blow them out of the water, invade, take over. Basically WIN, claim it an American territory and be the badasses we arent anymore because of our impotent leaders since the Korean War.

#2 Get the hell out of dodge, let Israel own their words/actions and fight their own battles. Let Europe worry about rogue nukes. Their back yard.. let them have it. China and Russia can make new treaties with us if we care to, the straight of H wont be effected much. Say so sorry, we had a few idiots in office, we're getting back on track, see ya in a few yrs, be protectionist, get our crap under control, Clean up our own house, and VOILA.


However, our govt as usual picks #3 which isnt a viable option.

#3 Dabble in war, kill a bunch, get a bunch of our own killed, make showy speeches, fight a war on paper , fail repeatedly, and and go back to playing footsie under the table with "enemies" for the almighty monetary reasons.


Arent you all glad Im not president?



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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No hard feelings! We had a fight and I enjoyed it. Actually have have respected your comments in threads before so don't take it hard.

You might be interested - not as a dig at you - in this

www.usdebtclock.org...



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:23 PM
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Seen it. No disrespect as well. Maybe I said retard at one point, That;s not an insult so much where I am from.

That website is the biggest proof that Russia and China are working with America. If they were enemies, they would see that debt and immediately put the US on hose arrest with no imports from America until they stop sucking at their debt.



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by wiredamerican
Very interesting development.

My advice to IRAN. would be, your country is doomed, and you will be blown out of kingdom come.

Your only hope is to spread your people around the world greatly so, soon IRAN will not exist anymore, but the people it is made of, are allowed to still live in different parts of the world and EXIST.

I am warning you now. Make IRAN disperse . Because if you do not, Not even Allah, or whoever you guys think of who is in charge can not stop western influence.

PS. Western life is so much better, try it out and your country may survive. But I doubt that will have a sliver of a chance.


Iran was pretty Democratic until your government forced a brutal dictator onto them.

You've watched too much fox news. Nobody but the extreme right-wing in the region have a problem with Western life. The issue at hand is the imperialistic American empire that only seeks to CONTROL Iran, and the world at large.

I assure you, attack Iran and you're done. Nobody is standing for it any more. Your embassies throughout the world, even in Europe, will be burned down in a matter of days.

You think true Democratic and Western people will allow your facist imperialistic government to simply destroy a nation of innocent people? Innocent people whos only crime was refusing to be ruled over by your empire?


You've learnt nothing from Iraq, have you?



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by PuterMan
 


so just to be clear u are saying the germans,the italian the japnese the north koreans the chinese the iraquis,the confederacy any any one else we have fought since our inception as a nation were just pushovers? did some magic switch get flipped after the declaration of independence that said hey wait every one your fighting skills now ammount to nothing?

come on man you arent disrespecting america your disrespecting any one we have ever fought and thats just ignorance im not saying americas hands are clean or that we havent screwed up show me a country that hasent screwed something up and then we can talk about morality why dont instead of focusing on the negitive you just try for once to think positively for a change
like how we helped stop faccisim helped to bring down comunism helped FEED the world atvanced technology for millions with out america you wouldnt be able to even post this there wouldnt be computers no freedom of speach no freedom of religion(as pointless as religion is) wouldnt have cars of the level we have now wouldnt have half the electronic gadgets we have to day(rebuilding japan kinda helped that one!) and before you even start yeah we bomb people yes we kill people but every nations hands in this world we live in are stained with some one elses blood from some time or another we as a country have at least tried to helo name me another nation that has been as generious with there wealth as the americans hae been,oh yeah and cuz its the 4th rember with out our revoloution russia would have never had theres france would have never had theres,we stood up against a world power and showed the world its possible with out us there wouldnt even be rebels in the countrys we occupy wouldnt have gotten the courage to FIGHT back that is americas main gift to the world to give people the hope that if they try anything can be done ending my rant as im about to go celbrate another wonderfull american tradition blowing # up in my yard happy 4th out there and puter man keep it up atleast it entertained me today and for that alone i thank you


What a load of drivel.

Your post is purely opinion. Void of objective historical facts.

Without France America wouldn't exist. Don't they teach you about your 'War of Independence' lmao?



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 11:12 PM
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We've played musical dictators with the middle east for far too long. Im ashamed of it. We give Hussein keys to the city of Detroit one year and basically feed the soldiers and people a lie in order to assassinate him in the next. We were best buddies with Hussein for YEARS.. why the flip flop??? More political playing of footsie BS. Considering our past dealings with Ahmadinejad and the real issues with the real power in Iran : the Mullahs . If the average American wasnt brainwashed and dumbed down too much to figure it out theyd # themselves. Dont get me wrong.. I dont like a lot of things that other countries are pulling or this stupid Jihad extremist BS... however, Im not completely blind to our own governments complicity and "dabblings". Im also sick of the stance as the policemen of the world.. how absurd. I LOVE my country.. I LOVE what my country once was and what it can be again. Not what what has become of us. I think a lot of non-Americans have a funny or false idea of who and what we the people really are and are all about due to the foolishness of our government in the past few decades. We should have taken a wholly protectionist stance, not an aggressive one and call it protectionist!

IMO we need to cut the losses before anything else is lost and leave Europe and the others to clean up their own back yards. We have NO business there. My husband's ex-wife is Iranian.. yes, we all get along great as adults should... her dad was the cardiologist to the Shah... and her family is very western. The people in Iran never had a problem with America, wanted to come here, wanted our education here, wanted the freedom to start businesses without the plethora of hoops to jump through.. and the American people were and are LIED to by our own government for decades to justify our unjust actions about these people and many others. I know there is a time to pay the piper for some of our actions.. and I fear it. We have done great injustices. We arent the only ones who have.. we have done so in concert with MANY nations.. BUT we are the ones who claim moral/economic/democratic/etc superiority. This will be a frightening bill to pay when it comes due.

I didnt always hold this view. I was a hard core young republican in college, republican capitalist pig for most of my life, towed the mil and party line... then one day I just woke up and really looked for things and educated myself in the TRUTH. Im STILL educating myself.. but some things like this issue with Iran are simply very plain. I cant comprehend why the rest of America doesnt look past whats easy and seek the truth!

If we would just admit things have been handled wrong and we have been foolish enough to allow ourselves to be spoon fed lies... and suck up revisionist history willingly... we could save a lot of face and change things for mainly ourselves, but fo rthe world too. In a positive way again.

The problem is that our leaders do NOT want peace. They havent wanted peace for decades and decades. Its a frightening thing. If you believe your Govt is any better, youre fooling yourself. There is a problem with the world my friend... one I cant completely understand but know enough to feel fear for my fellow HUMAN BEINGS and not for only select countries and select peoples.



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by PuterMan
 


so just to be clear u are saying the germans,the italian the japnese the north koreans the chinese the iraquis,the confederacy any any one else we have fought since our inception as a nation were just pushovers? did some magic switch get flipped after the declaration of independence that said hey wait every one your fighting skills now ammount to nothing?

come on man you arent disrespecting america your disrespecting any one we have ever fought and thats just ignorance im not saying americas hands are clean or that we havent screwed up show me a country that hasent screwed something up and then we can talk about morality why dont instead of focusing on the negitive you just try for once to think positively for a change
like how we helped stop faccisim helped to bring down comunism helped FEED the world atvanced technology for millions with out america you wouldnt be able to even post this there wouldnt be computers no freedom of speach no freedom of religion(as pointless as religion is) wouldnt have cars of the level we have now wouldnt have half the electronic gadgets we have to day(rebuilding japan kinda helped that one!) and before you even start yeah we bomb people yes we kill people but every nations hands in this world we live in are stained with some one elses blood from some time or another we as a country have at least tried to helo name me another nation that has been as generious with there wealth as the americans hae been,oh yeah and cuz its the 4th rember with out our revoloution russia would have never had theres france would have never had theres,we stood up against a world power and showed the world its possible with out us there wouldnt even be rebels in the countrys we occupy wouldnt have gotten the courage to FIGHT back that is americas main gift to the world to give people the hope that if they try anything can be done ending my rant as im about to go celbrate another wonderfull american tradition blowing # up in my yard happy 4th out there and puter man keep it up atleast it entertained me today and for that alone i thank you


What a load of drivel.

Your post is purely opinion. Void of objective historical facts.

Without France America wouldn't exist. Don't they teach you about your 'War of Independence' lmao?



No.. they dont.Not in the last 2 generations anyway. Sadly the kids are so suppressed ( god forbid you have a questioning thought when the status quo starts spouting) they dont even have the thought of educating themselves anymore. Now Im being completely honest... I home school the kids now due to the gross inaccuracies. The French are NEVER mentioned and if by some miracle they are mentioned dealing with our own independence its a very brief or passing mention. High school level.. nope. We are in a bad way here. How the rest of the world just noticed I have no idea! Many act like this JUST happened. WHere were you all looking the last 40-50 years??
Please understand that we are such a young country compared to most of the world. Our government was an experiment and we are still in our infancy. We are having growing pains and we all ( being nice.. I must say NON AMERICANS NEED TO STOP) need to stop the haughtiness and see what is happening in America for what it really is! You must realize its distasteful and dangerous to delight in our demise. Our demise is yours.



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Dixie70

Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by PuterMan
 


so just to be clear u are saying the germans,the italian the japnese the north koreans the chinese the iraquis,the confederacy any any one else we have fought since our inception as a nation were just pushovers? did some magic switch get flipped after the declaration of independence that said hey wait every one your fighting skills now ammount to nothing?

come on man you arent disrespecting america your disrespecting any one we have ever fought and thats just ignorance im not saying americas hands are clean or that we havent screwed up show me a country that hasent screwed something up and then we can talk about morality why dont instead of focusing on the negitive you just try for once to think positively for a change
like how we helped stop faccisim helped to bring down comunism helped FEED the world atvanced technology for millions with out america you wouldnt be able to even post this there wouldnt be computers no freedom of speach no freedom of religion(as pointless as religion is) wouldnt have cars of the level we have now wouldnt have half the electronic gadgets we have to day(rebuilding japan kinda helped that one!) and before you even start yeah we bomb people yes we kill people but every nations hands in this world we live in are stained with some one elses blood from some time or another we as a country have at least tried to helo name me another nation that has been as generious with there wealth as the americans hae been,oh yeah and cuz its the 4th rember with out our revoloution russia would have never had theres france would have never had theres,we stood up against a world power and showed the world its possible with out us there wouldnt even be rebels in the countrys we occupy wouldnt have gotten the courage to FIGHT back that is americas main gift to the world to give people the hope that if they try anything can be done ending my rant as im about to go celbrate another wonderfull american tradition blowing # up in my yard happy 4th out there and puter man keep it up atleast it entertained me today and for that alone i thank you


What a load of drivel.

Your post is purely opinion. Void of objective historical facts.

Without France America wouldn't exist. Don't they teach you about your 'War of Independence' lmao?



No.. they dont.Not in the last 2 generations anyway. Sadly the kids are so suppressed ( god forbid you have a questioning thought when the status quo starts spouting) they dont even have the thought of educating themselves anymore. Now Im being completely honest... I home school the kids now due to the gross inaccuracies. The French are NEVER mentioned and if by some miracle they are mentioned dealing with our own independence its a very brief or passing mention. High school level.. nope. We are in a bad way here. How the rest of the world just noticed I have no idea! Many act like this JUST happened. WHere were you all looking the last 40-50 years??
Please understand that we are such a young country compared to most of the world. Our government was an experiment and we are still in our infancy. We are having growing pains and we all ( being nice.. I must say NON AMERICANS NEED TO STOP) need to stop the haughtiness and see what is happening in America for what it really is! You must realize its distasteful and dangerous to delight in our demise. Our demise is yours.


Fair points, though I don't wish or express any ill feelings towards American people. Despite the fact I'm politically at odds with most as a hardcore Socialist/Anarchist.

Though I'd disagree wtih the demise point. Empires rise and fall. The world can adapt and move on without America. Just as it did influential nations of the past.



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 02:10 AM
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The difference is that we are an armed people.. in large numbers. Have you considered our population and what we have access to? History shows that we Americans are NOT our government.. no matter how hard the govt tries to make it so. I beloieve this is still the truth, we're just in a deeper pickle jar this time
Tis country might get worse before we get better.. but dont discount the people of the US.. to REALLY know us is different than what you think.


Another thing you may not consider is how much your countries finances are tied into ours. We will not be ALLOWED to fail. By your country or any other. Maybe change or have a huge #storm before it gets to where THEY want it.. but fail completely.. nope. It doesnt make sense for the world. This is all by design of course. Its like a daisy chain of prisoners. One cant get away without compromising the rest as they are shackled together. This is how the world's finances are today.. we are ALL intertwined. The franc will never trump the dollar even if the dollar falls.. things are set in a way by design. Each country's leaders obviously know this.. this is why we all fall all over ourselves in this absurd g20, UN, and etc dance. Its all fallacy for leverage. This is why your troops are fighting this absurd thing in the middle east along side of ours and other countries.. its all a madman's game that we have kind of not noticed somehow.. until now when it has reached a stage when it can no longer be hidden. Your people and mine are not much different.. we just perceive it that way because that is what the rules of the game are for now.

Hey .. dont take my word for it. start digging and really looking at things realistically and not how you are taught to or are accustomed to. Half of the Americans out there ( or more) dont get it. Those that do are usually in the silent majority that really should stop being silent now. If you want to really know this.. and be proven this.. follow the money.. the information is free to find and digest,, if you care to.



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Dixie70
The difference is that we are an armed people.. in large numbers. Have you considered our population and what we have access to? History shows that we Americans are NOT our government.. no matter how hard the govt tries to make it so. I beloieve this is still the truth, we're just in a deeper pickle jar this time
Tis country might get worse before we get better.. but dont discount the people of the US.. to REALLY know us is different than what you think.


Another thing you may not consider is how much your countries finances are tied into ours. We will not be ALLOWED to fail. By your country or any other. Maybe change or have a huge #storm before it gets to where THEY want it.. but fail completely.. nope. It doesnt make sense for the world. This is all by design of course. Its like a daisy chain of prisoners. One cant get away without compromising the rest as they are shackled together. This is how the world's finances are today.. we are ALL intertwined. The franc will never trump the dollar even if the dollar falls.. things are set in a way by design. Each country's leaders obviously know this.. this is why we all fall all over ourselves in this absurd g20, UN, and etc dance. Its all fallacy for leverage. This is why your troops are fighting this absurd thing in the middle east along side of ours and other countries.. its all a madman's game that we have kind of not noticed somehow.. until now when it has reached a stage when it can no longer be hidden. Your people and mine are not much different.. we just perceive it that way because that is what the rules of the game are for now.

Hey .. dont take my word for it. start digging and really looking at things realistically and not how you are taught to or are accustomed to. Half of the Americans out there ( or more) dont get it. Those that do are usually in the silent majority that really should stop being silent now. If you want to really know this.. and be proven this.. follow the money.. the information is free to find and digest,, if you care to.


The thing is though I really couldn't care if my country fell. I need an excuse to leave this dump



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 03:00 AM
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lol sure man i dont know about history. france helped during our revoloution but our revoloution paved the way for every one elses revoloution from russia to france to mexico one or two times so yeah go pick up a book your self avoided most of my questions and came back with more nonsense again where are these drugs ur on and where can i get them?

oh and again if we only fought people who couldnt fight back then why praytell did we need frances help? oh yeah cuz we were fighting a super power so again you still think we havent fought any one who could fight back?

[edit on 5-7-2010 by KilrathiLG]



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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Iran should just pull out of UN as a whole and help build a new UN without the VETO middle finger.

The UN has clearly shown that its laws are only implemented where the empires want it to be implemented, that is why they have VETO power.

That is the soul reason for the creation of UN, to serve the world empires who were on the brink of destroying humanity as a whole through nuclear holocaust.



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by KilrathiLG
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lol sure man i dont know about history. france helped during our revoloution but our revoloution paved the way for every one elses revoloution from russia to france to mexico one or two times so yeah go pick up a book your self avoided most of my questions and came back with more nonsense again where are these drugs ur on and where can i get them?

oh and again if we only fought people who couldnt fight back then why praytell did we need frances help? oh yeah cuz we were fighting a super power so again you still think we havent fought any one who could fight back?

[edit on 5-7-2010 by KilrathiLG]


So every revolution post 'your' Revolutionary War wouldn't have been possible without said Revolutionary War.

And what about the Revolutions before your Revolution? Come on kid, this is elementary common sense.

I didn't adress the rest of your post I quoted because it's all brainwashed nonsense. Hollywood History. The byproduct of a citizen who's been brainwashed by his nation since conception.

I know already that you don't concern yourself with truth or ethics. You're blinded by Patriotism. Probably had a Hacksaw Jim Duggan poster on your wall as a kid.




USA! USA!



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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Maybe that Ahmeniddjad guy - is a NWO puppet ?



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 05:48 AM
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LMAO!!! You mentioned Hacksaw Jim!! Good grief.. you are an old fart like me.

See... a lot of the younger ones really are sincere.. they just do NOT know. They have no support to go seek the info nor are they even slightly inclined to think outside of the box. Critical thinking is probably the first thing our educational system crushed. The rest was easy. There is a brand of rabid unquestioning patriotism out there that rivals the brown shirts. I should know.. I was like that all through college up until my early 30's! I would have mowed you down and lit a match on your exposed skull if my country had told me you were the real enemy of the US. Patriotism is a wonderful thing.. and hellaciously dangerous when manipulated and misused.

I deal with the military a lot. Many boys and girls coming back are telling me things that lead me to believe that they understand more and more its a game.. except its their blood thats being shed for nothing. Thats definitely a severe change from the first issue in the gulf between Daddy Bush and Hussein. Its absolutely no mystery to me why we have such a ridiculous suicide rate with this conflict. Soldiers see an unjust war.. how to you morally reconcile that with what you are and what you have been taught? Impossible.. add Iran to it ( and then Syria and Lebanon.. and elsewhere that sympathizes with iran ) and I feel there will be some real changes made. I just cant see our military continuing in unjust wars with no real objective that anyone can figure out.


BTW, your country is doing well IMO in MANY areas. Mainly in its stance on in-country Islam and the muslim "ghettos.
I do recall we were lead to believe you all were very supportive of Obama.. are you still supportive on the whole are starting to realize the world cant spend its way out of debt?? **snicker** If you get too sick of it come on over to my house ( we have a spare room you can share with an air hockey table and big screen if you dont mind the couch).... I give you a week before you run home like your head was on fire! Home is home.. for whatever reason its true.

There are a lot like me out there... fervent ones just waiting to be useful and for the right time.



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