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Originally posted by monkeySEEmonkeyDO
I've always questioned why God, who is omni-present, allows the existence of people who will never make the decision to become "saved", and will go to hell.. According to the Bible, we all make our own decisions, and we are responsible for those decisions. But, if God KNOWS our decisions will place us in hell, then why would he allow us to come into existence? How can God "love us all" if God knows we are destined for hell?
What about the people who are born in total seclusion, and never have the chance to even hear about the Bible? Why would they be equally responsible compared to the ones who willfully ignore the Bible?
It all doesn't make sense to me...
17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"[f]and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[a]
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
So let me understand you, God doesn't exist because of a contradiction of evil existing and not doing anything about it. Or were you saying hell could not exist and you do believe in god just that he wouldn't send people to hell? Please clarify to me.
Originally posted by StarBoyFG
reincarnation, and freewill. Simple
Originally posted by jimmyx
all "evil" and all "goodness" is the product of the human mind. please place responsibility where it logically belongs.
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by The time lord
"I think God will be more angry with people who know about the Bible and try and tear it down and its believers than actually those raised not heard of it, that is my conclusion.
I don't hate you just want to wake you up from the deception . Adding a unique point of view to your thread. 'I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God.'
The Old Testament laws are for the Jews the New Testiment is for the gentiles-mankind. Gentiles are free from bondage."
OK Time Lord (may I just call you Lord?). You quoted a lot of scripture, and I quote your conclusions above.
I am glad people take notice, now it is down to them to look to see if it is true, I am not here to hate but to add an expanding view on the discussion.
SO, if you "know the Bible", and come to the conclusion that it is wrong, then God is going to be "more angry" with that person? Well, I would think that he might prefer to give the person a pass who at least made the effort to look into the Bible, even if they came to the "wrong" conclusions. Far better than the person who just swallowed everything they were told from birth (even if it turned out it was all "correct").
I will expand since it probably sounds more harsh than it should.
It could for those who made a great effort in its belief and then done the opposite to try and disprove it and dispelling people from their own salvation, which is worse than just one just never reading it before. Of course smae will hear it and not just know of it, like the parable of the sowers, some seeds fall on hard land and dry up, some on furtile land and grow in faith. I think ithas more to do with the spirit of being anti-Christ, some people will go far into trying to twist the truth and deny Christ to people, better to be a communist if that is the case.
Yes, I can see that. A "god" who can even get "angry" at all, my goodness, they would probably be capable of just about anything. Best not to get him angry, just play it safe.
It's nice that you don't hate people too. And thank goodness you shared the Good News about the Gentiles being FREE from bondage! I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine lots of Jewish giggles when they read that one. So, Jews are in bondage? Poor Jews, they can't catch a break. But thankfully, you already told us you don't hate. What a relief!
Yes people are imprisoned by old traditions and they have to go through rituals that normal people don't anymore because Christ was the lamb and the sacrifice. So the average Christian is free from the Bondage of the Old testament and are free, no longer do we cast stones and have to have circumcision and the rest of it. The Jews will know what Bondage means, the Christians will know that what that means also, I would say even the Muslims are in Bondage and any other sect who are not free from everyday traditions.
Well, enough of that. Really, it's well accepted truism amongst Christians that even the Devil can quote Scripture! And yet the self confidence is astounding! Probably some might even call that "pride", but I personally wouldn't go that far.
Last thing, take it for what it's worth, you might not want to call your point of view "unique" (although I'm sure it is that, and more). A lot of readers are going to look at all the scripture you offered, and figure out pretty quick that you've certainly got a message, but it's been around quite a while already.
Its not about pride its about waking people up, like you said even the devil knows scripture and the same time millions are not reading it any more, so the message it not for those who know, the message like a parable is to make one think and look it up, no doubt maybe you will look into this and try to correct me, which is a good thing because that is what I want so people can argue that case and then maybe be inspired in what they read so they may find a chance of changing their view about God, which at the moment is not very popular on this website when a large percentage just are half way there but down another path.
How many times do people on ATS not know the difference between Old and New Testaments and why things changed and new covanants made.
Originally posted by Lupin
reply to post by orionthehunter
I agree with this post over us having free will. Now the reason for His love for us is because we are His creation so no matter what we choose He will still love us.
Originally posted by ptmckiou
Let's also consider the concept of many eastern religions and new-age metaphysics that All is One. Meaning all the energy in the universe clumped together is God. There is nothing but God. Consequently, God is you...inside you..since there is no place that God isn't. God is everywhere and in all things, has always been and will always be. That is the description of energy...an intelligent energy. Energy according to the law of physics cannot be created or destroyed---has always been and will always be.
Originally posted by monkeySEEmonkeyDO
According to the Bible...