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Originally posted by meteoritics
reply to post by monkeySEEmonkeyDO
There is no hell........The god of the Bible is as real as Santa or the Easter Bunny. There are most certainly beings out there that would appear god like to us, and some of them are no doubt mean critters, but Hell???
Think about it for a few minuets, use your brain…..still believe in hell? You people scare me…….
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by adjensen
Originally posted by adjensen
Free will does not contradict omniscience. God knows what path you will take because he transcends time, so, from his perspective, he already knows what you'll do next week, because it's already happened. But, for you, the decision that you'll make that will result in whatever he's seen is still in the future, and you will make it, freely, regardless of whether God knows it or not.
Sorry, but that doesn't let God off the hook.
If God foresees that evil will be done, causing suffering and misery in the world, and allows it to happen, then God is evil by definition. End of story.
I'm very sorry, but there is no way in which an omnipotent, omniscient being can possibly be good. It's a contradiction in terms.
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by AHustler
the new age religion totally misconstrues the Messiah of the Bible. I loved reading the Immortal Series back a few years ago, and I think JJ should stick to fictional writing, he's alot better at it....
Everyone is entitled to thier opinion no matter how wrong and uninformed it may be.
I wouldn't call JJ new age, he has taken all faiths disciplines and writings and brought them all together, and also added new light that I have not heard anywhere else. Not everyone resonates with his writings but much of it rings true to me and is confirmed by the inner voice. But to each his own as we are all on our own journey and at different spots on the path.
and why is it self-serving? cuz you're only doing 'service' so you can work off you're karmic debt so you can "ascend" through the levels of initiation...
have fun on your multi-million year quest trying to reach the unreachable...
And Christians who accept Jesus do it so they do not have to take responsibility for the harm they cause others and that is not self serving?
Matthew Chapter 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
So you quote some guys skewed view and think it has anything to do with the subject matter since you do not even use a correct number of years?
No one enters the service to humanity just to pay off Karmic debt they do it for the love of thier fellow man for the work is to hard and trying and takes great focus that you must have a true desire to serve humanity out of love or you will not stick with it.
Everyone will pay thier karmic debt whether they serve or not. Service to humanity can help to pay it off faster but it cannot pay it all off. Even the scriptures say the blood of the saints and the prophets who were killed for the cause cry from the dust to be avenged. How can they be avenged if those who killed them are dead unless they reincarnate and pay the debt?
Originally posted by hawkiye
No one enters such service until they have reached a certain stage of understanding and enlightenment through many lifetimes and struggles to learn what they know from the soul or inner voice and through experience.
There is no difference. Elohim is plural it means Gods not singular. It is the same word used for himself and the scripture where in he says does it not say in your law I said "Ye are gods" Or IOW ye are Elohim just as I am Elohim. or you are gods as i am gods etc. Your idea that the modern English translation capitalization has any bearing is absurd and only an attempt to justify your belief and is quite the mental gymnastics.
You want to attack the messenger but you cant deal with the message. You tried to attack the author of some of the writings I linked to but you did not quote him and address what he wrote you posted some quote from some 3rd rate hack that had nothing to do with whom you tried to attacked. If you want to discuss why you think something is inaccurate instead of making useless blanket statements about the new age that aren't even relevant then give it your best shot. Otherwise quite wasting our time with amateur pot shots and false labels...
Originally posted by hawkiye
The Christ came and dwelled in Yeshua and worked through him and they became as one but they were two entities working together through one body by mutual agreement. The Christ is indeed the greatest and Yeshua a high level initiate also, the crucifixion was his 5th or sixth initiation. www.freeread.com...
The bulk of Levi's gospel, first published in 1911, focuses on the education and travels of Jesus. After studying with Rabbi Hillel (a Jewish scholar), Jesus allegedly traveled to India where he spent years studying among the Brahmins and Buddhists.
Jesus supposedly became interested in studying in the East after Joseph (Jesus' father) hosted Prince Ravanna from India. During his visit, Ravanna asked "that he might be the patron of the child; might take him to the East where he could learn the wisdom of the Brahms. And Jesus longed to go that he might learn: and after many days his parents gave consent." So "Jesus was accepted as a pupil in the temple Jagannath; and here he learned the Vedas and the Manic laws."[23]
Jesus then visited the city of Benares of the Ganges. While there, "Jesus sought to learn the Hindu art of healing, and became the pupil of Udraka, greatest of the Hindu healers."[24] And Jesus "remained with Udraka until he had learned from him all there was to be learned of the Hindu art of healing."[25]
Levi proceeds to chronicle a visit to Tibet, where Jesus allegedly met Meng-ste, the greatest sage of the East: "And Jesus had access to all the sacred manuscripts, and, with the help of Meng-ste, read them all."[26]
Jesus eventually arrived in Egypt, and - in what must be considered a climax of this account of the "lost years" - he joined the "Sacred Brotherhood" at Heliopolis. While there, he passed through seven degrees of initiation - Sincerity, Justice, Faith, Philanthropy, Heroism, Love Divine, and THE CHRIST. The Aquarian Gospel records the bestowal of this highest degree: "The hierophant arose and said, upon your brow I place this diadem, and in the Great Lodge of the heavens and earth you are THE CHRIST. You are a neophyte no more; but God himself will speak, and will confirm your title and degree. And then a voice that shook the very temple said, THIS IS THE CHRIST; and every living creature said, AMEN."
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by adjensen
Originally posted by adjensen
Free will does not contradict omniscience. God knows what path you will take because he transcends time, so, from his perspective, he already knows what you'll do next week, because it's already happened. But, for you, the decision that you'll make that will result in whatever he's seen is still in the future, and you will make it, freely, regardless of whether God knows it or not.
Sorry, but that doesn't let God off the hook.
If God foresees that evil will be done, causing suffering and misery in the world, and allows it to happen, then God is evil by definition. End of story.
I'm very sorry, but there is no way in which an omnipotent, omniscient being can possibly be good. It's a contradiction in terms.
Originally posted by JR MacBeth
But since you brought up this idea of Utility, I continue to think that one of the weakest parts of the arguments for an eternal Hell, relate to the disturbing fact that it is by definition, of absolutely no remedial value whatsoever! I hate to invoke "human" reasoning (alas, what else do we really have?), but can you see how that aspect of "Hell" is not only unpalatable, it is blatantly unreasonable, at least based on every human intuition, and even our common experiences.
Perhaps you, and some of your fellow travelers can enlighten us. And please, try to find something more than the standard "perversity" of Man nonsense. Isn't there anything else? I can accept that people can be very twisted, and it may even be common to speak of some as "beyond redemption" (usually someone like Hitler will come to mind). But where is the reality beneath this notion, really?
depending on interpretation of other quotes in the NT, I can argue that even the Messiah Himself says those who accept Him for the wrong reasons aren't really accepting Him and He does not know them...
the number of years is irrelevant, you still choose to believe this new age philosophy that you will never be able to prove within this lifetime, I atleast have an historical and archaeological basis to fall back on...the only basis the new age has to fall back on is the historical and archaeological basis of the various religions it twists to fit its agenda...
yet another Bible quote twisted to try to fit the new age belief system, and a bad example at that.
6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
THE MESSIAH is the avenger, that's an easy one...
do you know? will you know when you reincarnate or will you have to learn it all over again from scratch and try to figure out once again how far along you are?? but what if you reincarnate in a remote part of the 3rd world with no access to the new age religion to help you figure it all out again??
Elohim is a Hebrew word, and must be seen and viewed in the context of the Hebrew language, and in the Hebrew language, Elohim can and IS used as both plural and singular
by your logic, since elohim is always plural, Jesus is apparently saying Ye are Gods as I am Gods, how is Jesus, one being, more than one Creator??
right away the article loses credibility by sourcing the Book of Mormons, the golden plates the book of Mormons was apparently taken from were found less than 200 years ago, but are already lost to obscurity, the Book of Mormons is probably one of the most least historical religious texts out there...
all the "I in Father,the Father in me" references prove nothing of this claim of overshadowing or "divine" possession..and can still all be used to defend Jesus as the prophesied Messiah...all the "father in me, me in father" can also be used to defend the belief that Jesus and the Father are one in the same, if 2 are one in the same, indeed what is in one will also be in the other.
and lets keep in mind, the NA theories of Jesus' missing years have Him travelling around the world studying these secrets, so even the NAers own books give reason for why John might not recognize Jesus
as described in the above post, JJ pushes the new age belief system, and it is that which I am attacking, in fact, i've been on the keys yahoo group mailing list now for a few years since i read the immortal series, and JJ consistently quotes DK, talks about logis, etc etc., all new age beliefs...and you right away saying you wouldn't call him such only attests to your own lack of knowledge of the new age beliefs you seem to hold so dear...