reply to post by nenothtu
Firstly, what did I avoid, if you read my post again you will see I talked about all the verses you mention, but in context.
The pagans broke their treaty, so GOD reiterated the position Muslims should have in regards, let's do this again, let's start from verse 1 of the
9:1 (Asad) DISAVOWAL by God and His Apostle [is herewith announced] unto those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God, [and] with whom you [O:
believers] have made a covenant.
If you look at this verse by itself it looks like it means dissolve all your treaties with pagans.
That is why you don't read one sentence, or paragraph of a book and make an assumption.
9:2 (Asad) [Announce unto them:] "Go, then, [freely] about the earth for four months  -but know that you can never elude God, and that, verily,
God shall bring disgrace upon all who refuse to acknowledge the truth!"
Thats between GOD and them.
9:3 (Asad) And a proclamation from God and His Apostle [is herewith made] unto all mankind on this day of the Greatest Pilgrimage:  "God disavows
all who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him, and [so does] His Apostle. Hence, if you repent, it shall be for your own good; and if you turn away,
then know that you can never elude God!" And unto those who are bent on denying the truth give thou [O Prophet] the tiding of grievous chastisement.
GOD is saying if you repent, it is for your own good, and if you turn away, GOD will take care of you. But if you examine this verse on itself it
would seem as if GOD is asking for all the treaties to get dissolved, but let's continue reading.
9:4 (Asad) But excepted shall be  -from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - [people] with whom you [O believers] have made a
covenant and who thereafter have in no wise failed to fulfil their obligations towards you, and neither have aided anyone against you: observe, then,
your covenant with them until the end of the term agreed with them.  Verily, God loves those who are conscious of Him.
There you go. GOD sets the conditions for treaty dissolvament. If the pagans, or who ever non Muslim breaks their treaties and promisses, or support
others against Muslims, the treaty with them should be dissolved.
Let's move on:
9:5 (Asad) And so, when the sacred months are over  , slay those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God wherever you may come upon them,  and
take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place  ! Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render the
purifying dues, let them go their way: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
Once again, if you take this verse on its own, it seems as if GOD is ordering the believers to slay all those pagans where ever you find them etc. But
that is not the case if you take in to consideration the context.
Let's keep reading:
9:6 (Asad) And if any of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God seeks thy protection,  grant him protection, so that he might [be able to]
hear the word of God [from thee]; and thereupon convey him to a place where he can feel secure:  this, because they [may be] people who [sin only
because they] do not know [the truth].
This verse talks about those who do not want to fight, give them protection. See the previous verse is attached to this verse, you can't take one
verse and make an assumption because then you will be driving in the opposite lane.
Let's continue reading:
9:7 (Asad) HOW COULD they who ascribe divinity to aught beside God be granted a covenant by God and His Apostle,  unless it be those [of them]
with whom you [O believers] have made a covenant in the vicinity of the Inviolable House of Worship?  [As for the latter,] so long as they remain
true to you, be true to them: for, verily, God loves those who are conscious of Him. -
See it makes sense as you read along. As long as they are true to you, be true to them.
9:8 (Asad) How [else could it be]?  -since, if they [who are hostile to you] were to overcome you, they would not respect any tie [with you,] nor
any obligation to protect [you].  They seek to please you with their mouths, the while their hearts remain averse [to you]; and most of them are
That is pretty self explanatory. So please, read the whole chapter, if I post every verse it won't fit. Until we reach the verse with your
" Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the
religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book [Bible], until they pay the jizya with willing submission, feel themselves
So here we are, to the one where the word jizya is used. So if you take this out of context if means fight everyone until they are willing to pay
jizya. That is absurd, read the previous verses to see the conditions setup for this verse.
See let me explain this in layman terms:
If you take this sentence:
"Don't come to prayer, if you are drunk"
OK, think about this for a second, see the condition?
The condition can be set at the beginning, or at the end, for example:
"If you are drunk, don't come to prayer"
You can't take the first/second part of the sentence and use it as bases of a whole argument that we shouldn't go to prayer. Forgetting about the
conditions set to support your argument is naive and hence you are in denial.
If you refuse to see the condition, whose fault is it? The author? Or the reader?
If you can't see the conditions, then I can admit, it is the author's reader, but in regards to this discussion, the conditions are set, and are
very clear who should be fought, and who should be avoided.
In regards to Jizya, no, it is not subjugation, you still haven't proven that. Are you gonna deny that Muslims pay higher Tax than Jizya? Is that
subjugation on Muslims? Here in New Zealand I pay 12 %, actually more than that, isn't that subjugation? If you have two jobs, the tax jumps to 30 %