Wow, this thread still going on. Well, Let me recap -
I don't buy the "peaceful" thing because where in the world is "Islam" peaceful, understanding, and inclusive, forgiving, with equal justice for
all no matter one's religion where they have a majority? We only see this "peaceful" thing in places where Islam is not the majority (yet) and even
then continues to attempt to change the culture to adopt Islamic laws and traditions (Europe currently).
Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder. The closer one follows example of
Muhammad, the more militant is one's motivation. (T or F?)
What about the Crusades and Inquisition had anything to do with "Jesus"?
Not a damned thing. What teachings of Jesus can we quote to justify these atrocities? Nothing.
What does violence, forced conversion and death to converts away from Islam have to do with Muhammad? Like about EVERYTHING.
You can read the quotes of Jesus and know the message of peace. You can read the quotes of Muhammad and know that message as well.
Anyway, those promoting Islam as "peaceful", please tell me if anything I list below is incorrect.
So, Is the summary below about Muhammad true?
Muhammad forced followers to continue believing, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." (Hadith al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Bk. 84, No.
MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427
MUHAMMAD: told his followers to aggressively make war on non-Muslims: 9:5, 29. Sura 9 was one of the last Suras given by Muhammad. Initially, when
Muhammad's group was weak, he ordered his followers to try to get along with other people. After the Muslims became powerful, he ordered them to
spread Islam by force. Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman continued his wars of aggression. The massacre of approximately 800 Jewish male captives: (noted in
Sura 33:26). War: Muhammad: The Sirat Rasul Allah records Muhammad personally led 27 raids, including Battle of Badr, 624 AD; Battle of Uhud and
expulsion of Banu Nadir, 625 AD; Attack on Banu Mustaliq, 626 AD; Battle of the Trench and killing Banu Qurayza, 627 AD; Battle of Khaybar, 628 AD;
Battle of Mu’tah, 629 AD; Conquest of Mecca, Battle of Hunayn, Battle of Auras and Siege of al-Ta’if, where Mohammed used a catapult, 630 AD;
Battle of Tabouk, Subjugation of Banu Thaqif (Yemen) and subjugation of Ghassanids (Arab Christians), 631 AD.
MUHAMMAD: was a slaver. He owned and sold many slaves, both male and female. He said Allah allowed him and his Muslim followers to have sex with their
female slaves when the men wanted to. Reference the Quran, Sura (chapters) 33:50, 52, 23:5, and 70:30. Slaves are considered "booty" for Muslims
when taken in raids, thus they are Muslim's property. Muhammad felt proud and conceited enough to enslave thousands of people.
Muhammad's teaching on how to treat enemies:
* Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
* Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
* Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
* Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
* Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
* If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
* Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
* Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
* Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
* No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
* The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on
alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).
Mohammed : “I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)” [Bukhari 4.220] And from the Quran “I will instill terror
into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [Q8.12]
"The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may
terrorize them." Qur'an 9:71
"Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them.
They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible
murdering." Qur'an 33:60
"Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than
slaughter." Qur'an 2:191
"I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each
of their fingers and toes." Qur'an 8:12
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [Qur'an
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Qur'an 9:5)
"So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." Qur'an:8:39
The punishment for those who wage war against God and His Prophet, and perpetrate disorders in the land, is to kill or hang them, or have a hand on
one side and a foot on the other cut off, or banish them from the land. Such is their disgrace in the world, and in the Hereafter their doom shall be
dreadful. Qur'an 5.33
"If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them." Qur'an 4:90
"Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'" Qur'an:8:7
33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you ... the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
4:24 - And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses.
"So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an
So we will have someone start with the "crusade / inquisition" examples - blah blah. Again, what did Jesus say to do, not that. Some Pope King wants
to make war and plays God. Nothing to do with Jesus's teachings at all.
Again, what did Jesus teach?
What did Muhammad teach?
You can't spin it. It is what it is..... and it isn't peaceful.
It is difficult to make a religion "peaceful" when your religion's great Prophet advocates conversion through force, war, deception, and hatred of
Christians & Jews, or anyone else that is in the way.
[edit on 7-7-2010 by infolurker]