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Originally posted by SkiFreak
Much has been discussed about 'Range 3' at the Camp Grayling National Guard facility as being one of the FEMA, Rex '84, & Operation Garden Plot 'civilian' concentration camp facilities.
The photos that have been posted on the 'net showing 'Range 3' as a possible internment camp- are somewhat out of date. Maybe a fresh look into this would be prudent...
So...
Being that I live only a short distance away from these facilites myself, I'm somewhat concerned & alarmed at the implications.
Also, being that I'm a decorated & retired Vet with a valid military ID, I also have access to the Camp Grayling complex. I even visit the PX there on occasion, when I'm in the area.
So who would like to see a current 'recon' of 'Range 3' with photos?...
T.S.
Originally posted by apc
So I took a constitutional through the old base discussed above, to rule out any unknowns and make sure a bunch of FEMA trucks hadnt rolled in without my knowledge. I think I figured out where the idea came from that there was a camp there.
Thanks for checking that out. Have you read all of the other threads on ATS about the camps? After members personally checked the "camps" listed near their areas, most of them came to the same conclusion you have.
by apc: I think every single notion of the existance of these camps should be taken with a very heavy grain of salt unless you have a personal eyes-on experience with them.
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Well, nothing personal, but it all sounds like rubbish to me.
For example, listen to this "Terry King" guy with his story:
"Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves."
Of course, he never gives any directions so we can check his "investigations" How convenient.
"The first one ... is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility."
ROFLMAO! Right across the park from our neighborhood is another huge FEMA prison, but it s not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as Skyline High School!
Right next to Falcon Field Airport in Mesa is a Huge Nazi Extermination Camp Operated By the Grays. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as The Boeing Company facility where they make helicopters!
Right down the street is another FEMA prison. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as the AJ Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!
C'mon!
"Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners?"
Uhhh ... because it's not a prison camp? You think?
"The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward..."
So do most fences that are chain link topped with angled barbed wire. It's an OSHA safety requirement.
"...and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road."
And what is that supposed to prove? We have a facility exactly like that about ten miles south of where I live. It's a GM Proving Ground!
"There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?"
I give up, what? You tell me. Maybe they're planning to put a supermarket there. Just about every store or business that uses raw materials has a couple of loading docks in the back.
About five years ago, I saw an post by some bozo who said he had a map of where all there "FEMA Camps" in Arizona were supposed to be, and offered to share them with anyone who asked. He didn't seem too anxious to send me one, since I told him I actually lived near the location of those "Camps" and wanted to check them out for myself.
But after some cajoling on my part, he sent me directions to three of the "FEMA Camps" after first making me swear I wouldn't tell anyone where I got them from.
Well, to make a long story short, I went to these three locations.
The first was an abandoned camp set up by Executive Order 9066 in 1942. Anyone familiar with US History knows about that sickening episode, I would hope. Anyway, nothing there but one corrugated-roof shack with its doors off and a bunch of concrete foundations.
The second was a POW camp, also from the 1940's, where a captured German U-Boat crew was imprisoned and who escaped by digging out a tunnel and trying to hike to Mexico (they were all caught); and again, there's not much there but a bunch of decrepit foundations.
The third was on Open Range on the Tohono O'odham Reservation about a half mile off I-10. I spent a half-hour poking around and saw some interesting cactus.
As far as I know, every single report of these "Secret Concentration camps" has turned out to be completely bogus.
If anyone has any serious "evidence" of these things in Arizona, let me know and I eill go and look again. If you live in Arizona, contact me at 480-891-2525, and we'll go together.
But until then, I'm going to assume that there is no evidence for any of it, and it's all some sort of urban (or rural, in this case) myth.
Thanks for checking that out. Have you read all of the other threads on ATS about the camps? After members personally checked the "camps" listed near their areas, most of them came to the same conclusion you have.
Originally posted by apc
Thanks for checking that out. Have you read all of the other threads on ATS about the camps? After members personally checked the "camps" listed near their areas, most of them came to the same conclusion you have.
Ah actually no I have not. This thread was my first encounter with the very idea which led me to that state-by-state list. Good to know tho!
Originally posted by Off_The_Street
About five years ago, I saw an post by some bozo who said he had a map of where all there "FEMA Camps" in Arizona were supposed to be, and offered to share them with anyone who asked. He didn't seem too anxious to send me one, since I told him I actually lived near the location of those "Camps" and wanted to check them out for myself.
But after some cajoling on my part, he sent me directions to three of the "FEMA Camps" after first making me swear I wouldn't tell anyone where I got them from.
Well, to make a long story short, I went to these three locations.
The first was an abandoned camp set up by Executive Order 9066 in 1942. Anyone familiar with US History knows about that sickening episode, I would hope. Anyway, nothing there but one corrugated-roof shack with its doors off and a bunch of concrete foundations.
Originally posted by nebraskablue99
As a police officer and former soldier, I know first hand that there really is no such thing as civil rights and "Big Brother" can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. However, I have a hard time believing that the government would put such massive compounds meant for evil purposes right out in plain sight in front of Joe Public. Even if they were meant as a distraction for the "real" prison camps, why go to so much trouble to create such an illusion? Thousands of people go missing each year never to be seen again. If you are an evil government trying to "detain" troublemakers, why not just kidnap them and house them in some underground bunker in Saudi Arabia? If you are true conspiracy nut, then you obviously know that the Bush family is real chummy with the House of Saud and, with that in mind, I am sure it wouldn't take much to rent a few hundred square miles of desert from them for this purpose. I have spent much time there and it is the best place in the world to make someone disappear (or several thousand someones to disappear). 'NUFF SAID!
Originally posted by SkiFreak
Much has been discussed about 'Range 3' at the Camp Grayling National Guard facility as being one of the FEMA, Rex '84, & Operation Garden Plot 'civilian' concentration camp facilities.
The photos that have been posted on the 'net showing 'Range 3' as a possible internment camp- are somewhat out of date. Maybe a fresh look into this would be prudent...
So...
Being that I live only a short distance away from these facilites myself, I'm somewhat concerned & alarmed at the implications.
Also, being that I'm a decorated & retired Vet with a valid military ID, I also have access to the Camp Grayling complex. I even visit the PX there on occasion, when I'm in the area.
So who would like to see a current 'recon' of 'Range 3' with photos?...
T.S.
Originally posted by SportyMB
I think it's all bologna, it's some paranoid guy trying to make a buck.
Apparantly there are not any guards at the camps:
How do we know this, cause someone was allowed to get pretty
close and take some pics. To me that means it's not that big of a deal for the Gov't it they are not willing to potect this huge "secret" from getting ou to the public.
How come noone gives directions? It will only help thier claims!!!
This could all be one or two camps for as far as we know.
They are probably prison camps. Some large prisons do have over flow camps and special holding areas to bring the inmates in case of a fire or evacuation for whatever reason.
Where's the proof?
Im Calling BS on this one.