I call it corporate HELL but, whatever same difference I guess? America is jsut awaiting the frikking coffee to drip so they can smell it.... and it
stinks to high heaven!
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reply posted on 5-7-2010 @ 10:07 PM by LoKito
reply to post by kozmo
I couldnt agree more. We have No Country!, all legal persons in this "Nation" are nothing more then slaves to the current corporate world government. There is no way out of it. A corporation its not evil its just a tool. I am a corporation and as such I try to do as much as I can to help my neighbors.
Spend your money in local moms and pops stores (corporations) around your neighborhood, and ask the store owner to do the same when its time to buy supplies.
If u see the store owner buying bulk from some overseas corporation to bring down the cost, make sure to bring it to his attention.
Its really an uphill battle, because most people I know are so desperate that they will buy anything that its on sale, even if its only 1 dollar cheaper they will buy something they have no idea where, how or with what cost to the environment it was build.
Try to explain to someone that they should inform themselves of the the process of production of each article they purchase. The answer I get is "I dont have time for it, or the means for such an endeavor".
I think its time to count our losses and call it a day. People are so desperate that they are unconsciously selling their own children for a quick fix.
TTPB have taken its time to develop the current system, they have studied, and domesticated the beast inside of us to fit their needs. Its a wonderful system if you ask me, because it works, its implemented, it has worked for some time now. The fact that we are most certainly destroying mother earth (an what little its left of so called humanity) in the process seems to be bothering only a small fraction of the world.
This battle its lost but the war its not over.
I couldnt agree more. We have No Country!, all legal persons in this "Nation" are nothing more then slaves to the current corporate world government. There is no way out of it. A corporation its not evil its just a tool. I am a corporation and as such I try to do as much as I can to help my neighbors.
Spend your money in local moms and pops stores (corporations) around your neighborhood, and ask the store owner to do the same when its time to buy supplies.
If u see the store owner buying bulk from some overseas corporation to bring down the cost, make sure to bring it to his attention.
Its really an uphill battle, because most people I know are so desperate that they will buy anything that its on sale, even if its only 1 dollar cheaper they will buy something they have no idea where, how or with what cost to the environment it was build.
Try to explain to someone that they should inform themselves of the the process of production of each article they purchase. The answer I get is "I dont have time for it, or the means for such an endeavor".
I think its time to count our losses and call it a day. People are so desperate that they are unconsciously selling their own children for a quick fix.
TTPB have taken its time to develop the current system, they have studied, and domesticated the beast inside of us to fit their needs. Its a wonderful system if you ask me, because it works, its implemented, it has worked for some time now. The fact that we are most certainly destroying mother earth (an what little its left of so called humanity) in the process seems to be bothering only a small fraction of the world.
This battle its lost but the war its not over.
reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 07:13 PM by mnemeth1
reply to post by LoKito
Without corporations we would be living in the stone ages.
You have been misled and brainwashed by an endless parade of mainstream media communist detractors as to the ultimate real cause of our problems.
Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.
The "rights" that have been conferred to corporations are no different than the rights an individual enjoys - because a group of individuals has exactly the same inherent rights as a single individual.
The problem can be summed up in one word: Government.
Government:
-Is responsible for 40% of the nation's annual spending. If you are a politically connected corporation, you get a cut of the loot. If you're not, tough cookies.
-Is responsible for limiting access to resources by placing all manner of restrictions on what people can do with their own private property. Government then leases public land to mega-corporations like BP so they can take the resources without facing competition from startups.
-Is responsible for bailing out failed corporations. Make a crappy product? Uncle Sam will bail you out if you know the right people. The market would punish you, but government will protect you.
-Is responsible for debasing the currency. Those who get the new money first get the most benefit.
-Is responsible for creating all manner of regulations to prevent competition. The massive burden of government regulations are lobbied for by mega-corporations because they prevent start-up competition.
To prove my point, simply look at the financial regulatory reform bill put forth.
Do you think Dodd or Frank is smart enough to write this bill?
financialservices.house.gov...
1706 pages of highly technical legal mumbo-jumbo that accomplishes exactly NOTHING of benefit to the average American.
Who do you think writes these bills?
Corporate lobbyists write these bills that's who.
These bills are WRITTEN by the financial industry.
Corporations are NOTHING without government.
NOTHING!
The blame should be placed strictly on government, because without government, corporations would not be the vampire squid they are today.
Corporations use the power of government to circumvent the market.
The market attempts to punish bad corporations by putting them out of business.
Government stops that punishment from taking place.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by mnemeth1]
Without corporations we would be living in the stone ages.
You have been misled and brainwashed by an endless parade of mainstream media communist detractors as to the ultimate real cause of our problems.
Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.
The "rights" that have been conferred to corporations are no different than the rights an individual enjoys - because a group of individuals has exactly the same inherent rights as a single individual.
The problem can be summed up in one word: Government.
Government:
-Is responsible for 40% of the nation's annual spending. If you are a politically connected corporation, you get a cut of the loot. If you're not, tough cookies.
-Is responsible for limiting access to resources by placing all manner of restrictions on what people can do with their own private property. Government then leases public land to mega-corporations like BP so they can take the resources without facing competition from startups.
-Is responsible for bailing out failed corporations. Make a crappy product? Uncle Sam will bail you out if you know the right people. The market would punish you, but government will protect you.
-Is responsible for debasing the currency. Those who get the new money first get the most benefit.
-Is responsible for creating all manner of regulations to prevent competition. The massive burden of government regulations are lobbied for by mega-corporations because they prevent start-up competition.
To prove my point, simply look at the financial regulatory reform bill put forth.
Do you think Dodd or Frank is smart enough to write this bill?
financialservices.house.gov...
1706 pages of highly technical legal mumbo-jumbo that accomplishes exactly NOTHING of benefit to the average American.
Who do you think writes these bills?
Corporate lobbyists write these bills that's who.
These bills are WRITTEN by the financial industry.
Corporations are NOTHING without government.
NOTHING!
The blame should be placed strictly on government, because without government, corporations would not be the vampire squid they are today.
Corporations use the power of government to circumvent the market.
The market attempts to punish bad corporations by putting them out of business.
Government stops that punishment from taking place.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by mnemeth1]
reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 10:40 PM by Someone336
reply to post by mnemeth1
The exact same thing could be said of the government.
Corporations and government share in the common the fact that they are structured hierarchies of power, much like the church in the past. All are means to simply achieve power through capital and influence. Nothing more, nothing less.
What separates the corporation from the government is that a corporation isn't run democratically, and is essentially a small-scale model of a dictatorship. When going to work in the common conception of the workplace, one signs away their rights to the bosses, and the bosses of those bosses.
I'm also surprised you didn't jump to point out that corporations are government inventions, or that the corporate charter is a government sanctioned monopoly. Thus, corporations are impending your sacred free market.
Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.
The exact same thing could be said of the government.
Corporations and government share in the common the fact that they are structured hierarchies of power, much like the church in the past. All are means to simply achieve power through capital and influence. Nothing more, nothing less.
What separates the corporation from the government is that a corporation isn't run democratically, and is essentially a small-scale model of a dictatorship. When going to work in the common conception of the workplace, one signs away their rights to the bosses, and the bosses of those bosses.
I'm also surprised you didn't jump to point out that corporations are government inventions, or that the corporate charter is a government sanctioned monopoly. Thus, corporations are impending your sacred free market.
reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 07:13 PM by David9176
reply to post by Someone336
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A real free market cannot exist in a monopolistic system...which is what we have now!!!! No anti-trust laws enforced....2 percent tariffs on imports....THIS IS NOT FREE MARKET. This is the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN FREE MARKETS. In a free market...a small business should be able to compete...but they can't....they are losing...WE are losing...which means THIS WHOLE COUNTRY IS LOSING.
Don't small businesses have the right to compete?????
Small businesses pull this country out of recessions....but right now they can't because they can't compete with SLAVE LABOR!!!!!!
Damnit SOMEONE.....I wish there were more people out there like you!!
Thus, corporations are impending your sacred free market.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A real free market cannot exist in a monopolistic system...which is what we have now!!!! No anti-trust laws enforced....2 percent tariffs on imports....THIS IS NOT FREE MARKET. This is the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN FREE MARKETS. In a free market...a small business should be able to compete...but they can't....they are losing...WE are losing...which means THIS WHOLE COUNTRY IS LOSING.
Don't small businesses have the right to compete?????
Small businesses pull this country out of recessions....but right now they can't because they can't compete with SLAVE LABOR!!!!!!
Damnit SOMEONE.....I wish there were more people out there like you!!
reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 11:03 PM by Someone336
reply to post by David9176
The greatest irony of all this is the fact that we are engaged in 'free trade' with China... a modern, state capitalist economy that is borrowing from pre-Woodrow Wilson AMERICA IN ITS ECONOMIC DESIGNS. Friedrich List most certainly influenced Deng Xiaoping, and these ideas have built China into a financial powerhouse that it is today. Why is the World Bank, IMF and WTO not working hand in hand with third world governments in establishing these policies to build themselves out of poverty? Because a third world free from western neo-colonialism is a third world free of sweatshops, free trade zones, and Western-backed dictatorships that allow corporations to suck up natural resources.
The second greatest irony is that Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, contrary to Glenn Beck and other pseudo-NeoCon talking heads, actually moved America into a free market direction, as opposed to the great, red shadow of 'socialism'. And part of both Teddy Roosevelt's 'New Nationalism' and Wilson's 'New Freedom' programs was the splintering of corporations through regulation and anti-trust laws to allow for small, American business to compete properly in the marketplace. If for no other reason, these are beliefs that these progressive figures are to be applauded for.
-Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation for the Generous Energies of a People
The greatest irony of all this is the fact that we are engaged in 'free trade' with China... a modern, state capitalist economy that is borrowing from pre-Woodrow Wilson AMERICA IN ITS ECONOMIC DESIGNS. Friedrich List most certainly influenced Deng Xiaoping, and these ideas have built China into a financial powerhouse that it is today. Why is the World Bank, IMF and WTO not working hand in hand with third world governments in establishing these policies to build themselves out of poverty? Because a third world free from western neo-colonialism is a third world free of sweatshops, free trade zones, and Western-backed dictatorships that allow corporations to suck up natural resources.
The second greatest irony is that Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and FDR, contrary to Glenn Beck and other pseudo-NeoCon talking heads, actually moved America into a free market direction, as opposed to the great, red shadow of 'socialism'. And part of both Teddy Roosevelt's 'New Nationalism' and Wilson's 'New Freedom' programs was the splintering of corporations through regulation and anti-trust laws to allow for small, American business to compete properly in the marketplace. If for no other reason, these are beliefs that these progressive figures are to be applauded for.
Suppose you go to Washington and try to get at your government. You will always find that while you are politely listened to, the men really consulted are the men who have the biggest stake,—the big bankers, the big manufacturers, the big masters of commerce, the heads of railroad corporations and of steamship corporations. I have no objection to these men being consulted, because they also, though they do not themselves seem to admit it, are part of the people of the United States. But I do very seriously object to these gentlemen being chiefly consulted, and particularly to their being exclusively consulted, for, if the government of the United States is to do the right thing by the people of the United States, it has got to do it directly and not through the intermediation of these gentlemen. Every time it has come to a critical question these gentlemen have been yielded to, and their demands have been treated as the demands that should be followed as a matter of course.
-Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation for the Generous Energies of a People
reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 07:26 PM by reticledc
reply to post by LoKito
Exactly.
Change is the only constant.
reply to post by mnemeth1
Are you serious?
IF you think that those in government are not the very same people that were the heads of those corps, look again, and see he true enemy.
They are on in the same.
Interchangeable government and corporations.
You see what they allow you to see, or just don't give a crap about because no one can stop them.
Exactly.
Change is the only constant.
reply to post by mnemeth1
Are you serious?
IF you think that those in government are not the very same people that were the heads of those corps, look again, and see he true enemy.
They are on in the same.
Interchangeable government and corporations.
You see what they allow you to see, or just don't give a crap about because no one can stop them.
reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 09:41 PM by LoKito
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by LoKito
Without corporations we would be living in the stone ages.
Yes, the creation of the corporation has allowed for "great" things to be accomplished, its a result driven environment were groups of people can focus together on a common goal. This is very broad. What the Op its talking about its the idea that most of todays corporations put MONEY OVER A HUMAN LIFE.
You have been misled and brainwashed by an endless parade of mainstream media communist detractors as to the ultimate real cause of our problems.
Corporations are nothing more than voluntary groups of people working together toward a common goal.
Still the point is money over human life, it may seem like voluntary for the western world citizen, but not for the sweatshops employees in Indonesia or any Latin American country. Or at least that is what I gather from my research. I think the OP its referring to mostly multinational corporations who have a certain monopoly on the way certain goods are delivered to the market.
The "rights" that have been conferred to corporations are no different than the rights an individual enjoys - because a group of individuals has exactly the same inherent rights as a single individual.
Rights, yes. However they dont have the same responsibilities, if they did they would take care of their employees kind of like the same way A group of individuals with a common goal would look after each other; understanding that the goal could be reach more effectively with the cooperation of all those involved. But its that really the mantra of todays multinationals?
To prove my point, simply look at the financial regulatory reform bill put forth.
Do you think Dodd or Frank is smart enough to write this bill?
financialservices.house.gov...
1706 pages of highly technical legal mumbo-jumbo that accomplishes exactly NOTHING of benefit to the average American.
Who do you think writes these bills?
Corporate lobbyists write these bills that's who.
These bills are WRITTEN by the financial industry.
Corporations are NOTHING without government.
NOTHING!
The blame should be placed strictly on government, because without government, corporations would not be the vampire squid they are today.
Corporations use the power of government to circumvent the market.
The market attempts to punish bad corporations by putting them out of business.
Government stops that punishment from taking place.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by mnemeth1]
I see your point, although I think the fact that Government has been Hijacked by big corporations, makes it, hard to differentiate them. But Government IMO its supposed to supply the balancing force between The Economy (this brotherhood of multinationals) and the Culture of the people ( the freedom to express themselves as they see fit). Something the Government has not done in quite a while, now.
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