The Atheists Nightmare

The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

If there is a hell, and I do go to it, so be it. I will admit I was wrong. I will admit I was wrong, and go there laughing at my mistake, laughing that I am a good person, and laughing that I got sent there for using my free will that I was given.

Originally posted by randyvs
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Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



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The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line.

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reply to post by MrXYZ

Oh no, don't angry the God(s), they will send you to hell...also, eat your vegetables because Santa won't bring you any presents if you don't. Good child, here have a cookie!

Now is this an attempt at, dare I say, humor? I dunno.

Phlynx

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line

I have to agree with that Phlynx. More than you know.

Hey on the sly.
How did you come by that screen name ?I've been wanting to ask you that .


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Originally posted by Phlynx
The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

If there is a hell, and I do go to it, so be it. I will admit I was wrong. I will admit I was wrong, and go there laughing at my mistake, laughing that I am a good person, and laughing that I got sent there for using my free will that I was given.

Whilst there you can also have a good laugh with Ricky Gervais, contemplate with Einstein, Dennet, Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins, laugh at confused Mormons, Hindus, Jains, and Muslims, hit up the streets with porn stars, and just wonder who the hell is in charge, and why is this hell!

reply to post by randyvs


Hi,
I want to share info I have shared here before but it is relevant to this thread.

Part of my work is between the living and the 'dead', helping to finalise the things left undone.. mostly emotional issues needing to be laid to rest along with the body of the deceased.

While doing so, I have the utmost pleasure to take the dead when they are ready into The Light.. as it is known. Once there I get to see them Wake Up from the Dream that was their human life on earth.

It is an amzing thing to witness! They begin to shine from the inside as they remember having been in that place before.. and from there my job with them is done. Although at times I have followed up on some that went across to find them working or planning for their next sojourn into The Dream.

What I found through doing this work is very different to what we are 'brainwashed into Believing'.

There is no "higher-Being" telling you what to do, none sending you to hell or heaven.. absolutely no control dramas as we have been led to believe there HAS TO BE.

So, having such direct experience of what occurs after death of the body, provides me unique perspective that is claer when compared to anything we humans "Believe"

In fact, we limit ourselves by our Beliefs!!

The reality is far larger than we can possibly imagine or Believe it to be..only direct experience will provide a clearer perception on reality.

Hence all Athiests, all religionists, all Believers will learn that they were closed off to bigger picture reality once they get into the Light. Meaning, all will learn as they awaken that we have been seriously misled by our Beliefs, and the Indoctrinations used to establish it in us as a Prime Belief System.

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx
The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

If there is a hell, and I do go to it, so be it. I will admit I was wrong. I will admit I was wrong, and go there laughing at my mistake, laughing that I am a good person, and laughing that I got sent there for using my free will that I was given.

Whilst there you can also have a good laugh with Ricky Gervais, contemplate with Einstein, Dennet, Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins, laugh at confused Mormons, Hindus, Jains, and Muslims, hit up the streets with porn stars, and just wonder who the hell is in charge, and why is this hell!

Yes. Maybe hell will be like a desert instead of a fiery place? Although I don't believe in that, it would be interesting. Hollow earth theory anyone?

Not many people that seem all that interesting in heaven...

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I love how the religous types always say "Jesus Christ is the only true Lord and Saviour". Well if memory serves me correctly doesn't the Bible speak of a 'second coming'? How do we not know that hasn't happened yet? Maybe the messiah is already here, on Earth, and he/she doesn't even know they are the messiah. If they were to know and claim to be the messiah, then they'd be stuck in a psych ward forever. A modern day crucificiton. Then no one would ever know of their existence.

Through the centuries I believe certain people were given the gift of getting a glimpse of "God". Moses, Krishna, Jesus, Mohammad, all these people recieved a glympse of what God is, i believe. I'd even argue that the likes of Einstein and Stephen Hawking are modern day prophets. The prophets of back then had their ways of getting through to people, today's use the language of physics and mathematics, a more intricate understanding of what one can call "God".

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Oh no, don't angry the God(s), they will send you to hell...also, eat your vegetables because Santa won't bring you any presents if you don't. Good child, here have a cookie!

Now is this an attempt at, dare I say, humor? I dunno.

Phlynx

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line

I have to agree with that Phlynx. More than you know.

Hey on the sly.
How did you come by that screen name ?I've been wanting to ask you that .


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Kind of just sounded cool, and it stuck.

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by randyvs
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Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



[edit on 3-7-2010 by randyvs]

The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line.


[edit on 3-7-2010 by Phlynx]

That is a tough line to walk, as in todays age, you are entitled to, well at least in some places in America (assuming your a US citizen) to come out as a non believer and not have to fear for your life.

The sheer and massive amounts of murders to the unbelievers, 'witches', jews, and rest starting from shortly after constantine, you would be horrifically and atrociously tortured and burned or another form of murder, like stoning.

Some boast about the strong numbers of Christians and others of those of Muslims, but a quick view at history says you had no other choice but to believe!!! If you didn't you could expect the believers to joyously watch you 'slowly' burn to death, but not before you had been sufficiently tortured.

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx
The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

If there is a hell, and I do go to it, so be it. I will admit I was wrong. I will admit I was wrong, and go there laughing at my mistake, laughing that I am a good person, and laughing that I got sent there for using my free will that I was given.

Whilst there you can also have a good laugh with Ricky Gervais, contemplate with Einstein, Dennet, Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins, laugh at confused Mormons, Hindus, Jains, and Muslims, hit up the streets with porn stars, and just wonder who the hell is in charge, and why is this hell!

Yes. Maybe hell will be like a desert instead of a fiery place? Although I don't believe in that, it would be interesting. Hollow earth theory anyone?

Not many people that seem all that interesting in heaven...

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Heaven isn't really all that interesting....

It's just you mentally plugged into god, receiving bliss and pure happiness, whilst perhaps singing or dancing. Very 'Hippy' like.

Oh, and streets of gold, and A man at the front desk with a IMNSHO very boring job, reading out of a book, why doesn't god just get a mac?

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by randyvs
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Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



[edit on 3-7-2010 by randyvs]

The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line.


[edit on 3-7-2010 by Phlynx]

That is a tough line to walk, as in todays age, you are entitled to, well at least in some places in America (assuming your a US citizen) to come out as a non believer and not have to fear for your life.

The sheer and massive amounts of murders to the unbelievers, 'witches', jews, and rest starting from shortly after constantine, you would be horrifically and atrociously tortured and burned or another form of murder, like stoning.

Some boast about the strong numbers of Christians and others of those of Muslims, but a quick view at history says you had no other choice but to believe!!! If you didn't you could expect the believers to joyously watch you 'slowly' burn to death, but not before you had been sufficiently tortured.

I hate that I have to be quite about my belief for fear of being harassed. It is wrong, because I would never harass a fellow human for what they believe. I would discuss it politely if they wanted to, but when you discuss something kindly, they take it as harassment towards them.

Doesn't the Bible say to turn the other cheek or whatever?

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by randyvs
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Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



[edit on 3-7-2010 by randyvs]

The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line.


[edit on 3-7-2010 by Phlynx]

That is a tough line to walk, as in todays age, you are entitled to, well at least in some places in America (assuming your a US citizen) to come out as a non believer and not have to fear for your life.

The sheer and massive amounts of murders to the unbelievers, 'witches', jews, and rest starting from shortly after constantine, you would be horrifically and atrociously tortured and burned or another form of murder, like stoning.

Some boast about the strong numbers of Christians and others of those of Muslims, but a quick view at history says you had no other choice but to believe!!! If you didn't you could expect the believers to joyously watch you 'slowly' burn to death, but not before you had been sufficiently tortured.

I hate that I have to be quite about my belief for fear of being harassed. It is wrong, because I would never harass a fellow human for what they believe. I would discuss it politely if they wanted to, but when you discuss something kindly, they take it as harassment towards them.

Doesn't the Bible say to turn the other cheek or whatever?

Turn the other cheek, stone them to death.... it covers all it's bases.

Actually engaging into debate of biblical matters with a christian is worthy of death by stoning!

Someone I know let loose that I'm atheist, and I now have an influx of people, mainly preachers wives and such, coming into my store telling me what awaits me in hell, how easy it is to avoid it by conforming to their beliefs, and blah blah blah, they drew pictures one time I love the bible belt!

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by randyvs
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Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



[edit on 3-7-2010 by randyvs]

The Bible is God's word... Why? Because the Bible said so. What gives the Bible authority? It is God's word. Why? Because the Bible said so.

I have no problem with someone believing whatever they want to, but when they tell me I have to believe something, that is where I draw the line.


[edit on 3-7-2010 by Phlynx]

That is a tough line to walk, as in todays age, you are entitled to, well at least in some places in America (assuming your a US citizen) to come out as a non believer and not have to fear for your life.

The sheer and massive amounts of murders to the unbelievers, 'witches', jews, and rest starting from shortly after constantine, you would be horrifically and atrociously tortured and burned or another form of murder, like stoning.

Some boast about the strong numbers of Christians and others of those of Muslims, but a quick view at history says you had no other choice but to believe!!! If you didn't you could expect the believers to joyously watch you 'slowly' burn to death, but not before you had been sufficiently tortured.

I hate that I have to be quite about my belief for fear of being harassed. It is wrong, because I would never harass a fellow human for what they believe. I would discuss it politely if they wanted to, but when you discuss something kindly, they take it as harassment towards them.

Doesn't the Bible say to turn the other cheek or whatever?

Turn the other cheek, stone them to death.... it covers all it's bases.

Actually engaging into debate of biblical matters with a christian is worthy of death by stoning!

Someone I know let loose that I'm atheist, and I now have an influx of people, mainly preachers wives and such, coming into my store telling me what awaits me in hell, how easy it is to avoid it by conforming to their beliefs, and blah blah blah, they drew pictures one time

I love the bible belt!

Good thing most people don't follow middle age beliefs, then there would be lots of stonings, and 1/10th of the American population who are Atheists would be dead. Reminds me of Monty Python and the Life of Brian's little seen. He said Jehovah! They then proceed to stone the stoner who said to stone the one who said Jehovah.

I'm agnostic though, hard to explain to people who don't know what it is...

Originally posted by randyvs
So what happens after we die?

Well, obviously some fancy being who sits high up in the sky on a cloud thumbing his nose at all of his creation sends down some other fancy dudes to tap all the believers on the shoulder for a right old get up somewhere, and those of us who just kept our noses down and fiddled thru life considering it all a load of baloney, will forever be left out.

Sounds like a right pain in the arse to me, if you ask, going along with all those snobs.

Some snobby omnipotent creature collecting other snobby saps who spent their entire lives being a misery to everyone around them because they didn't follow the same path.

I think I'll take my chances with the worms..

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by solomons path

 

What most of the believers don't understand about most non-believers . . . The more insistant and absolute you are about your beliefs . . . the more I am confident that there is no afterlife and, certainly, no damnation.

Well now how does that work?

Followers in the more evangelical faiths would be wise to head the words of Lao Tsu . . . "Those who know, don't speak. Those who speak, don't know". - Tao Te Ching

Well in a free nation things are little different. I hope you're happy with that.

Now . . . show me something other than words . . . and I'm all ears (so to speak).

Well there is a book but you reject that and call it nonsense. So you will continue on your path with no harm done. right?



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It works fine . . . Hubris, it reminds me to keep questioning.

I don't really get what being in a free country has to do with a taoist quote . . . It fits quite nicely in Christianity too. I believe JC, himself, said something quite similiar once.

I've read the book. Grew up in between two faiths and gained quite an appreciation for it. I don't think it's nonsense. It's quite magnificant writing in some sections. Although mostly unoriginal in theme, as seen comparatively against other mythologies of antiquity. It is emotionally engaging mythology and much more geared toward the common man. I actually like reading the bible. However, this doesn't mean it holds the power of any supernatural being . . . only your belief gives "the book" that power.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Nobody can prove god exists...or if there's an afterlife. And that's a FACT.

I disagree.

It would be easy to prove there is an afterlife.

All you have to do is catch a ghost. Maybe trap it in a box like in ghost busters.

Then you could show it to all the skeptics.

Look it's only logical that if they exist, they are trappable and physical realities.

The future will rock because one day this will be proven scientifically beyond all shadows of doubt.

And then I will laugh my rear off. Oh it will be a bountiful laughter.

Are you OK there Muzzleflash? You appear a little off in this thread.

Is everything OK ??

Originally posted by randyvs
The thing I find so ironic about Atheism, is that it is also is a part of prophecy.
You literally are predicted as a great falling away.
If it weren't for Atheism the Bible might be in error.
God fortold of the day when arrogant men would scough at
God fearing people.
So what all can you tell me?
Maybe death dosn't exist either?

So your "prophets" had a pretty good idea that rational people would notice the bible is bat # insane ? Your point is ?

Seriously the bible might be in error ? Are you forgeting the whole people being able to drink poison ?

MARK 16:15-18

15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

www.biblegateway.com...:15-18&version=NIV
Quit with the BS and drink up bro no problems if there is no errors in your silly book.
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edit: To add link and fix passage.


I should point out for the Christians, seeing none of you actually read your own book. That is Jesus himself speaking in the quoted passage.

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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by PieKeeper

 

Come-on now! A person of your ability in discernment can absolutly see that I'm appealing to common sense. Do you know what happens after we die? See the truth is the truth. There is only one truth. You must be pretty sure of yourself to be an Atheist. So what happens after we die?

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This is sickening.
You are brainwashing yourself in public.
You cant die. You were never alive.
Life is only the sense of fear, which is the very action of separating yourself from yourself. There is no you, no independent being trapped in a body. Everything is just arising in consciousness.

I'm going to just put my own two cents is. I do have the burden of proof and I do understand, unlike so many other theists,that I have a responsibility to provide proof to my argument.

However, I can not. I am sort of a pantheist (inb4hippie). God is in everything, and everyone. You really want to know what happens after you die? You return to what you are, what you always have been, and what you always will be...a part of God.

It could be that my mind released '___' while meditating once, but I think I came close to the presence of the ONE. It felt as if all problems, ideologies, and nonsense were so completely insignificant. It felt as if joy and elation were the only emotions to be realized. It felt true...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The experience here.


I say, don't sweat it. In the end, if you don't believe/do believe/don't give a flying frisbee, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you respect yourself and most importantly respect others...because they, just like everything are simply extensions of yourself.

Thats my unity spiel. Take it, leave it, embrace it, or glance over it. Just be happy

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I wish I were so lucky to sit and believe that crap.

Sadly I have seen what must have been a 'ghost'.

What am I going to do? Pretend it never happened? Yeah right.

Whatever I saw, it proves you people don't know crap about what you are talking about. It proves you are all full of it. IMHO.

Can you prove you saw a ghost? No? Well, my point still stands. Personal experience does not equate evidence. You have to be able to prove it to other people.

Originally posted by Intuitiveaptitude2009
reply to post by PieKeeper

 

So you read his whole reply. And thats what you came up with ? .....WOW
Whats your response to claims that your fulfilling OUR prophecy ?

Most "prophecies" that come true are self fulfilling. Prophecies are proof of nothing. It's simply coincidence.

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