The Atheists Nightmare

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

The origins of the worth are kinda pointless

You may as well say the origins of the world are kind of pointless.
And I beg to differ.

You can't be serious, lol. The meaning of words can change constantly over time, the origin of the world can't really change.

Let's look at the word faggot:

Originally, it meant a "bundle of sticks"...but most people nowadays use it differently

Sorry to burst your bubble there, but I never said the origins of the world are pointless...and it's got NOTHING to do with the words we're discussing here. Don't try to twist my words

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Everybody including Gunderson is whining...oh poor me the whole world is a shambles and it could be better and we have starving children and disasters oh, oh poor me....and he is probably fat as humpty dumpty while he is crying for the starving kids.

Not me!
I rather like the chaos and death.
I see it as a natural balance.
I'm quite anti-human, so culling the heard is something that shows...how did you put it...? "god takes care of his own". Right?
Oh, and I'm skinny so nyah nyah.

Originally posted by jaego
The halos you will be wearing will be the smoke rings that im blowing in hell.

This sentence has my vote for quote of the year.
Oh, and I'm totally stealing it...just so you know.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
I don't see the flaw.

I did not think you would. I had faith in fact. Given you feel that the terribly fragile nature of the Earth makes it perfect, I kind of knew how this would process.

Thoughtfulness aside...You will get nowhere (very quickly) trying to disprove God.

Maybe as far as you will get putting words in my mouth, assuming things about me, and trying straw man arguments out on me. I am not trying to disprove anything. I have no need to. No one ever proved a god to me. I have no need to go from religion to religion like some Johnny Atheistseed, showing them how stupid they all are. You can try proving a god to me or not, that is your choice. Until then, I have as much desire and need to disprove a god as I do unicorns. Maybe Randy needs to start that thread next.

It is a little like biting the hand that feeds you.

Not really. If I have to wait until I die to find out whether or not that hand exists, I will just die right away. No time to even think, contemplate, sin, be baptized, nothing. Fortunately, feeding hands are pretty real and easy to observe, for they are necessary for survival. What has your god ever done for me that I might suddenly be without were I to bite him?

Not caring to disprove him is one thing but I certainly reject all your various myths so consider you god bitten. I am betting I will still be here, fed later on. Now what?

And now since you continue to bother me even when I try to lay the matter to rest peaceably with you, allowing you your belief and with you allowing me mine

(well not really huh?) I am going to have to place you on "ignore" for a while. Peace out.

Oh, here I was trying to discuss on a forum. You most certainly need a blog, not a forum.

reply to post by Matthew Dark

I rather like the chaos and death. I see it as a natural balance. I'm quite anti-human, so culling the heard is something that shows...how did you put it...? "god takes care of his own". Right? Oh, and I'm skinny so nyah nyah.

Maybe you are suffering from some debilitating disease?
Certainly sounds like it is infecting your thought processes and rotting your mind.

Going to add you to my ignore list too... though it has been fun.

If it is wrong you seek then wrong is what you will find. Same with truth and anything else. One's perspective changes with time. There are many different paths to follow. The ultimate answer is wait and see.

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Conclusion]

Originally posted by Matthew Dark

Originally posted by rusethorcain

Everybody including Gunderson is whining...oh poor me the whole world is a shambles and it could be better and we have starving children and disasters oh, oh poor me....and he is probably fat as humpty dumpty while he is crying for the starving kids.

Not me!
I rather like the chaos and death.
I see it as a natural balance.
I'm quite anti-human, so culling the heard is something that shows...how did you put it...? "god takes care of his own". Right?
Oh, and I'm skinny so nyah nyah.

I am actually underweight myself. I really wish we could get at least one person on this forum to represent Christianity that does not need to twist every post they read in order to try and make a point.

If her god wants to kill kids in earthquakes then that is just dandy. But to say that he made the Earth perfect and that he answers prayers about bee infestations while allowing it to happen is kind of odd. I would really like to do a biography of the "Christian" god that has been described for us on ATS thus far. He is one kooky nut.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by Matthew Dark

 

I rather like the chaos and death. I see it as a natural balance. I'm quite anti-human, so culling the heard is something that shows...how did you put it...? "god takes care of his own". Right? Oh, and I'm skinny so nyah nyah.

Maybe you are suffering from some debilitating disease?
Certainly sounds like it is infecting your thought processes and rotting your mind.

Going to add you to my ignore list too... though it has been fun.

The ignore button is a great equalizer for those of weaker intellect. I don't know what happened in the three pages it took for me to respond back to this thread, but ignoring people isn't the answer. That's just running away from opposing views like a coward. It shows inability to cope with opposing viewpoints, even ones you find repugnant.

Feel free to ignore me as well if you like, just proves me right.

Originally posted by rusethorcain


Going to add you to my ignore list too... though it has been fun.

This is a FORUM for discussing things. If you only want to hear what you already know, this is the wrong place for you. Ignoring everyone with an opposing view only shows you are afraid your faith is weak and someone might say something to make you think. Better to cover those thoughts in burquas lest they tempt you with their logic.

Ignoring people helps if they speak disrespectful to you. Someone being disrespectful to another solicits a like minded response which just degrades the entire discussion anyway. If the other responds with disrespect then the originator of the disrespect-fullness likes to say SEE, SEE, SEE, I thought you where suppose to be above that. They forget that the other is also human and when baited for a response sometimes responds back with the same disrespect. That is where the ignore button helps greatly. I on the other hand try to treat people how I would want to be treated, but I also take into account what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Originally posted by Conclusion
Ignoring people helps if they speak disrespectful to you. Someone being disrespectful to another solicits a like minded response which just degrades the entire discussion anyway.

So how do you feel about the disrespectful nature of this very thread, the OP, and its author?

If the other responds with disrespect then the originator of the disrespect-fullness likes to say SEE, SEE, SEE, I thought you where suppose to be above that. They forget that the other is also human and when baited for a response sometimes responds back with the same disrespect. That is where the ignore button helps greatly. I on the other hand try to treat people how I would want to be treated, but I also take into account what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

I will happily remind you that I began this thread by asking permission to even address the topic, then politely doing so once granted. The OP both insulted and harassed me in and many others in return on top of the very opening post being one long veiled insult to non-Christians.

Where do you stand on that?

reply to post by K J Gunderson

If her god wants to kill kids in earthquakes then that is just dandy. But to say that he made the Earth perfect and that he answers prayers about bee infestations while allowing it to happen is kind of odd. I would really like to do a biography of the "Christian" god that has been described for us on ATS thus far. He is one kooky nut.

God can do anything God pleases. If you are upset with that try to stop God. It is like you creating some art. If you do not like how it turns out you can either throw it out or keep it. It is up to you.

reply to post by Conclusion


Good in theory, but where does it stop? Eventually you just start saying "Well, he has an opposing viewpoint -- that's disrespectful to me!"

Ignoring people is a weakness. It shows weakness if you are unable to refrain yourself from rebutting and reciprocating like-minded rage and anger. It shows weakness if you are afraid of opposing viewpoints are finding yourself hiding from them. (Not you, just "you" as in anybody. Just to be clear.)

Originally posted by Conclusion
God can do anything God pleases.

I know. I acknowledge that. He likes to kill innocent children but is staunchly against selling a house full of bees. He has standards.

If you are upset with that try to stop God.

Do you all take a special class on how to get things wrong? I never said I was upset. I never cried about it. I never whined or complained. I simply pointed out that if you believe a god would allow such destruction and suffering and at the same time answer a prayer about some flipping bees in your house, you are a little off. Please see if you can actually respond to something I said as I said it, in the context it was said, the way it was obviously meant by the actual words chosen to say it with.

It is like you creating some art. If you do not like how it turns out you can either throw it out or keep it. It is up to you.

Yeah so god made some art and he thought, "This is no good, it is full of children and animals and plants, I better kill and hurt those but...then again someone says they do not like these bees here in the corner either so I better listen to them on that one.

I guess Satan put those bees there to begin with? Is Satan allowed to paint on God's canvass?

That makes sense. God created the perfect Earth but Satan messed it up with bees and God did not notice until someone said a prayer and at that time, he did something about it. He sounds more and more perfect all the time.


[edit on 13-7-2010 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by Conclusion
Ignoring people helps if they speak disrespectful to you. Someone being disrespectful to another solicits a like minded response which just degrades the entire discussion anyway.

So how do you feel about the disrespectful nature of this very thread, the OP, and its author?

If the other responds with disrespect then the originator of the disrespect-fullness likes to say SEE, SEE, SEE, I thought you where suppose to be above that. They forget that the other is also human and when baited for a response sometimes responds back with the same disrespect. That is where the ignore button helps greatly. I on the other hand try to treat people how I would want to be treated, but I also take into account what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

I will happily remind you that I began this thread by asking permission to even address the topic, then politely doing so once granted. The OP both insulted and harassed me in and many others in return on top of the very opening post being one long veiled insult to non-Christians.

Where do you stand on that?

Honestly I think the best forum for a reasonable debate is a respectful considerate one. That being said we are just human and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. It happens. Now here is the hard part. Do we continue down the same path or should we try to change ourselves to do better. It is hard not to let a negative response make you respond the same way. God knows I have responded negatively. We just have to try and better ourselves and hope others will respond to that in a positive manner.

The bible says we all have to work out our own salvation.

Originally posted by Conclusion
Honestly I think the best forum for a reasonable debate is a respectful considerate one.

So do I. That is exactly why I began that way.

That being said we are just human and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. It happens. Now here is the hard part. Do we continue down the same path or should we try to change ourselves to do better. It is hard not to let a negative response make you respond the same way. God knows I have responded negatively. We just have to try and better ourselves and hope others will respond to that in a positive manner.

You really seem to be writhing in pain to do all you can to avoid acknowledging this thread was started in order to incite anger and the author himself has done a great deal to encourage it when he did not receive enough on the OP alone. Why is it so easy to condemn people such as myself, even admit guilt of your own, yet soooo so so very hard to just admit the entire premise of this thread was to be hateful from the start?

The bible says we all have to work out our own salvation.

"Where's Waldo" says "Can you find the book, cane, hat, and the wizard too?"

Yeah, think about that.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by Conclusion

 

Good in theory, but where does it stop? Eventually you just start saying "Well, he has an opposing viewpoint -- that's disrespectful to me!"

Ignoring people is a weakness. It shows weakness if you are unable to refrain yourself from rebutting and reciprocating like-minded rage and anger. It shows weakness if you are afraid of opposing viewpoints are finding yourself hiding from them. (Not you, just "you" as in anybody. Just to be clear.)

Interesting. An opposing view does not have to be disrespectful. Using sarcasm to cover lack of knowledge is disrespectful to a lot of people. I don't find it disrespectful as much as humorous though. I do not believe it shows weakness not to respond to a disrespectful remark. It shows strength. The strength to reserve your patience that are being tried. Maybe ignoring is not the best idea. But to allow your believes to be slandered? I don't know if I could do it, but I think it is wiser to ignore. Like the saying goes, Better to keep quiet and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

reply to post by Conclusion


Maybe you can point me to the disrespectful statement that earned me that ignore so that I can learn from my mistake and do better in the future?

reply to post by evil incarnate


What I am getting at is that I cannot judge the OP any more than I can judge you. To condemn someone for something that everyone of us has done at some point in the past is to condemn mankind. It is beyond my role in this to even think I have that power.

reply to post by Conclusion


Then why are you going on and on about it? I do believe I asked you some questions about the OP. You addressed one. Then you asked what I wanted to move on to and let it drop. Remember that? How respectful does that seem? What did I say or do do deserve that then?