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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
reply to post by _R4t_
Well I honestly asked you genuine questions pertaining to your post.
You made the case that without god, there was no need to show concern for fellow human beings thus saying atheists have no reason to not do harm.
I asked you specific questions. I was hoping you would actually give it a try. As for my tactic? Please point me to where I did any such thing.
I am really attempting to understand your stance because according to your logic, all the atheists that are currently NOT smashing windows, stealing, and killing are apparently better people because they are choosing to be good without a thought to your god whereas you explained you rely on his threats to keep you in line.
Whenever you are ready to try and have a real conversation, let me know. Until then, stick with Randy doing the Christian thing of making up stuff and mocking people instead of answering questions. It makes Christianity look awesome to atheists I can assure you.
Originally posted by _R4t_
All I'm saying is i think there's a link between the decline of religious belief which collaterally gave rise to lower ethic and moral behaviors...
Took the graph from google and removed the part prior to 1980 to base things in 1980 since one of the graph doesnt go prior to that year
Originally posted by alienreality
Most Athiests I have run into don't just "not believe" They all go on the "attack" against God, whom they claim is some magic old guy up in the clouds... I mean, why put an identity and a name to something they don't believe in? If they simply don't believe in anything, it sure seems funny to me that they are always trolling all the religious threads with vehement attacks on people that do believe in a God and an afterlife..
I thought that maybe it was more convenient for me to think that way at one time, because then I didn't need to worry about how badly I lived my life...
That is until one day when I was taken away in spirit and found myself standing before Christ. He told me that His Father had given me a place in his kingdom, but that I was not doing my part. I couldn't think of anything to say except That I had no excuse and could do better...
Satan was there and was sneering at me the whole time, he kept saying to Christ that I was useless and wasn't worth the time of day...
I became angry at that and laughed at him and said I wasn't afraid of him, and right away He became more menacing and morphed into a more vicious looking thing.
And I looked at Christ and said "oops" my mistake, please help me, and he said "how can you do it?" I said I can do it, I won't forget this...
Then I was back home again... It was very real experience to me and I haven't ever told anyone about it till now...
Since then I have always felt that God is always near me..
Some people that may read this that also want to believe, or on the fence about it just might be encouraged about this true story.. It isn't a joke, and it is not made up.. All it took for me to know for sure that he exists was to never stop searching and seeking him out in the world.. maybe that is why he came and rescued me.
The biggest thing I learned from this experience was that humans are very small and fragile and definitely need help most of the time, like babies. For me, it is good to know there really is a God who loves. You just have to ask and not be afraid to believe.
SO, CAN YOU ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU?
Or have you realized the huge flaw in your claim?
Originally posted by WolfofWar
reply to post by alienreality
You have roaming mobs of atheists attacking you? Most Christians I know that complain about atheists attacking them typically start the first offensive. Like this thread.
Originally posted by _R4t_
I've answered you ages ago, if you can't read between the lines that is none of my concern. Nobody's expecting you to be THAT open minded...
I've simply pointed out that there's seems to be a "general" decline of moral standards and ethics that seems to be directly following the decline of "general" religious beliefs and coincide at the same time with a rise in incarceration rates... If you can't see that your blind or around 16 years old...
Now since our debate is going out of context and simply is killing the thread of the OP by respect I will be the most mature of the two and shut up... I don't want the mods to kill his thread because of a diversion of view/belief taken out of context because two idiots couldn't swallow their pride and wanted the last word.
Feel free to PM me to continue this endless conversation.
MODS: Sorry for the sh!t storm...
Originally posted by Robbo2006
reply to post by fallow the light
Some of my friends are atheist, But got Married in a church of God.
There is no more sitting on the fence, We take our place on one side or the other which then sets our fate.
Originally posted by orumlight
lol, i love how atheists act so humble and say "oh, we don't know everything about the universe..." and then they get so cocky and intolerant with christians and say "there's no God", "your God is cruel" and laugh at us as if they were this kinnd of know-it-all ppl.
If our God is cruel but you don't believe in him why does it matter to you?
If i want to worship a cruel, mean God then let me be (but God isn't any of that)
lol, i love how atheists act so humble and say "oh, we don't know everything about the universe..." and then they get so cocky and intolerant with christians and say "there's no God",