Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
Rom.16

1. [18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Interesting reply! If you do not mind, I'd like to respond to this verse.

and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

I am afraid I have to disagree with you. It is not speeches or words that make me think the way I do and believe the things I do, but the evidence behind the speeches and words.

If there is no evidence available for a claim, then I do not understand how someone can believe it and be intellectually honest as well.

Kind regards

Not another one of Randys bait the Atheists threads

Judgement Day is as real as Santa.

- and quite frankly I'm sick of the christians who take pleasure in thinking every non believer will die and who display such hate filled emotions towards others different than themselves.
Randy is just one of many on this site.

i love the god debate....so basic...so fundamental right?


question: at the end of the day....isnt it really about what we WANT to believe about the world? I mean....aren't there just literally dozens of things in our lives that we choose to believe something about even if those beliefs are rather baseless and unrealistic? we eat food we 'know' isnt good for us...even though common sense and 'evidence' should suggest rather strongly otherwise. We hang out with ppl that we know arent' good influences on us or have our best interest in mind. We spend money on things that are wasteful for no other reason than it looks good or will give us something to distract ourselves with.


I mean really...human beings are a farking mess. We are the most mixed up confused misdirected and completely absurd species of animal/mammal on the planet. I never saw any other animal in the world totally ruining the very things that makes its existence possible and then try to say its ok because earth doesnt need us anyway and in a few billion more years it wont matter because some other animal will evolve and take our place.

I mean really, the absurdity of things we believe, think, speak and do is beyond comprehension. It doesnt even matter if theres a god or not...because either way we have totally proven ourselves to be our own worst enemies.

I personally think that people find reasons to believe what they want to believe. How often have you met a person who you KNEW was in a totally destructive relationship but had over time convinced themselves that the reason why the person was abusing them was because they didnt cook dinner good enough or some other trifling thing? They find REASONS to excuse the absurdity of staying in a totally destructive and nonsensical relationship.

There are some honest ppl out there that will smoke and say its because they like it....not spout some retarded excuse like 'well my parents smoked, my friends smoked....and i guess it was just fate that now i smoke. I wanna quit...but i just cant seem to do it!"

riiiiight.

ever heard of a thing called the 'will' ? Anyone wanna volunteer an example of the last time they used it to do something that went against what they 'wanted' or were attracted to? You see...that to me is the crux of every issue. Do we do the things we do because we overtly make them happen....as masters of our fate.....or do we float down stream with all the other dead fish? Philosophically speaking, do we truly investigate to the limits of our understanding the reasons why we are here and what it all means? Or do we find some pop culture bullshyt textbook explanation, from the classroom or the church pulpit that somehow relieves us of the duty to fully seek out the answers that for most of us drive us in this life to live the ways we do.

I guess it comes down to alot of how ppl live in the rest of their lives. I can almost guarantee you that you wont find an unemployed, living with the parents, xbox playing, twinkie eating, bump on a log giving at all a shyt of why they are here and what life is all about. This is deep water....and only those who are ready to sink or swim dare test those depths.....the rest of us are content to dip our toes in and feel the frigidity of the subject and go back to our comfortable, dull, and status quo lives.

LOL, what a troll post

Nobody can prove god exists...or if there's an afterlife. And that's a FACT.

Given that FACT, you can do one of two things. Nothing...and just live a good and happy life. Or you could pick a religion (Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc.) and "safeguard" (lol) against the remote possibility that heaven is a bit like a posh members-only nightclub.

Both are fine as long as you don't try to force others to necessarily have the same belief as you...or go overboard by lecturing people about a (possibly wrong!!!) belief on the Internet...or...well...you know, a forum like ATS

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Nobody can prove god exists...or if there's an afterlife. And that's a FACT.

I disagree.

It would be easy to prove there is an afterlife.

All you have to do is catch a ghost. Maybe trap it in a box like in ghost busters.

Then you could show it to all the skeptics.

Look it's only logical that if they exist, they are trappable and physical realities.

The future will rock because one day this will be proven scientifically beyond all shadows of doubt.

And then I will laugh my rear off. Oh it will be a bountiful laughter.

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Here I am,
doubting your existence, questioning your omnipotence.
To you they plead their case,
to all you refuse to show your face,
in the eyes of the believers, the congregation,
I am condemned to hell, deserved damnation.

Because I choose to think freely,
because I do not listen to the cries of the holy man.

In a court of law. The Bible would certainly be held as evidence.

Take that .

[edit on 3-7-2010 by randyvs]

I see the hate and fear in your eyes
If only you would take a look and realize the lies that lie behind your eyes.
the holder of the scripture is the breeder of hate.
He fills you with the misinformation, falsification And fabrication.
you take the bait.
The hate spreads lIke a virus.
A neurological disease
I am now a demon to the world.
If only you would take A look and realize the lies that lie behind your faithful eyes.

I love to post poems!! They make believe in life and think!