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To me, "walk in the light" means to walk in truth - which means walk in the obedience to the word. Obedience to the word can be summed up by two commands...
As far as thoughts being sin, take this verse as an example… (directed to married men)…
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
IMO - this thought does not become a sin until the man decides that he is going to pursue a sexual relationship with the woman. With me, an attractive woman draws my attention. It’s natural to admire beauty. But if I make up my mind that I am going to try to have sex with them, then that thought becomes sin. It’s about the intentions of our heart.
Christians do sin though - but when we do, we feel like crap about it and want to make it right. Sometimes it means we need to apologize and that takes humility.
However, if we don’t change then we can expect chastisement…
Forgiveness for others is very important too.
Originally posted by Firefly_
Maybe the moral of this story is that in order to achieve our full potential as a species, and be able to spread our seed throughout the heavens, we must get past our childishness as a race and overcome things like greed, and selfishness. Its nothing to do with going to heaven when we die, its about our advancement as a species into the next level - populating other planets.
This message has been corrupted and turned into a belief structure based on fear, which is what religion is.
I mean we have the means, look at what has been created for war and exploiting nature - now imagine what could be produced if we worked for peace, and in harmony with the nature. There is a lot more efficient, cleaner technology allegedly being witheld from us.
Originally posted by JTpirate
the stuff i know now that matters and i can call fact comes from science advances in the last few centuries........not millenia old texts......you can take some stuff from it......but when you try to tell me snakes talk and eat dirt....ehhh nah
Originally posted by Project_USA
For being righteous you need to trully repent.
For your repentence to be true, you NEED to dont commit that sin anymore.
As you commit many (of not all) sins, you MUST TRULLY repent of ALL of them!
Deny that as much as you want...
As I said, modern Catholics (and others) are very confused about the meaning of righteous.
It's the synonym of PERFECT.
And please dont use logical fallacies to justify your claims.
The fact that Moses is said to be God's prophet doesnt change that killing is a sin. So he was (after commiting murder indeed a sinner) If he doesnt trully repent he stays one.
If you BELIEVE (against the words of YOUR Bible) that just trying is enough, when is the level of the attempt enough???
Dont blame the incoherencies of the Bible on me... It would be unfair...
As for Jesus, yes he said that to think of a sin is indeed a sin!
I dont have the quote right now, but ask around and you'll see this is true.
An ATSer maybe?
[edit on 3-7-2010 by Project_USA]
"And please dont use logical fallacies to justify your claims."
Originally posted by Project_USA
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
Dont you realize that's my point?
In the Book of Job the title character is introduced to us as a person who is perfect in righteousness.
As soon as this is being said, faithers try to make us believe that perfection is not really perfection and so on...
Why use the word perfection then??? And would that mean God is not really perfect, but he tries... and sin too? Or sin doesnt apply for him as He can do what the heck He wants anyway?
Also, if to be righteous is to repent (and NOT commiting this sin again), can you CHOOSE the sins you repent of???
"What about the others you're still committing? No worries, I think I tried enough..."
WHO decides when it's enough??!
The logical response would be to repent of ALL sins!
But it's NOT possible! Well, that's EXACTLY MY POINT!
Then, The New Testament continues the Hebrew Bible's tradition of the ethical and legal aspects of righteousness, but adds the element that Jesus embodies righteousness.
Christians interpret that by saying: "You dont need to do anything (works) just have faith in Jesus and you're righteous... You see it's simple. Come with us be Christian and you'll be saved..."
That's even easier...
Again, dont blame me for the incoherencies/paradox of the Bible...
I'm the one denouncing them!
" 4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
~~~~ But Paul continues to explain what he means. ~~~~~~
7)For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8) But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
10) For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11) And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
12) That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
13) For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14) Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15) And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
16) For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17) Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."
"Most people look upon the word as referring to sinlessness. The disciple of the Lord should indeed be perfect, but not in the sense that some of the sects use the word in their teaching and preaching. The most satisfactory way to establish the meaning of the word as it is found in the New Testament, is to inquire into the usage of the Greek word from which it is translated. The most frequent words translated "perfect," are the Greek words telefos (adjective form), and teleloo (verb form).
The Englishman's Greek Concordance reveals the fact that telefos is translated "perfect," one time it is translated "men" (1 Cor. 14:20), and in at least one instance it is translated "of full age" (Heb. 5:14). The verb form (teleloo) is translated "had fulfilled" (Lk. 2:43; Jno. 19:28), "perfected" (Heb. 10:14), "finished" (Jno. 14:4), and several times "made perfect." Space will not allow our looking into the synonymous terms in the Greek.
Vine tells us that these two Greek words mean "Having reached its end, finished, complete, perfect." Thayer's Lexicon of The Greek New Testament gives the following meanings: brought to its end, wanting nothing necessary to completeness; when used of men it means full-grown, adult, of full age, mature. Arndt and Gingrich follow this definition in their Greek-English Lexicon of The New Testament. The word is used of persons and things."
So truth is simply obedience to the truth of the Bible?
That's called a circular argument.
You use the "concept" of truth as part of your agument.
To rephrase correctly, you're saying that "truth is the word of the Bible".
And up to you to be obedient to it.
Well, if you look up my other threads you will see that I demonstrate that the word of the Bible cannot be the truth.
Also, no free-will/choice as you MUST be obedient?!
Of course that you're gonna interpret it that way... It's easier to think you dont sin that way.
But that's NOT what it is said.
And dont try to fool yourself (nor God), "to admire the beauty of a woman" is a polite/hypocrit way of saying that you would like to taste her flesh. If she's just passing or is on tv, it will be a lot easier to dismiss that if you meet her everyday in summer for example... But the desire is the same, only repeted and for an extended period of time.
Do you seriously believe that ONLY faithers feel guilt and know what's moral and what isnt??
Plus, is guilt enough? And what do you feel guilty about? What you did (your actual sin), or that it could cost you your place in heaven? Be truthful with yourself.
Buddhists call that Karma but that's the same illusion.
Dont you think that, without considering God or Karma (if you can...), if you cause harm to some, this person will want to retaliate?
Dont you you think that, for example, if you're often drunk something's gonna happen (being beaten, crash your car, lose something important) but not because God will punish you nor because of karma, but because you badmouthed someone, you were physically unable to drive correctly, or to remember were you put your things???
Why do you have to ad an unecessary layer of cause for explaining the reason of what's happening to you??
That's what I dont understand, this layer of causation faithers have to add just because of their belief... That's not only unnecessary but confusing.
I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, THUS DONT FEAR HIM... But still I CHOOSE TO BE WORTHY!!
Must be baffling for you, huh?..