The Murder of Dr David Kelly

Originally posted by malcr
Hmmm, so let's regurgitate an event long enough after it happened to cloud peoples memories.

He committed suicide for one very simple reason: He broke the official secrets act and as such would lose everything including, at his age, his substantial government pension. This would leave his family in dire straits. So he committed suicide BEFORE he lost everything.

All conspiratorial facts are embedded , as said before, in peoples poor recollections and incompletely examined circumstances.

NO CONSPIRACY just plain old ordinary human nature......as is the case 99.9% of the time on ATS and real life.

As an Englishman who has lived outside the UK for over 25 years, I have had my eyes open to the media lies and brainwashing for quite some time, almost immediately when seeing how one sided and distorted the US media were, before realising that the same thing was going on in the UK, in a perhaps more subtle (maybe, maybe not) way..

I must say that when this happened and was in the news (the announced suicide) I was not paying much attention, until I picked up that the guy had taken his dogs for a walk in the forest and cut his wrists in the process!

Sorry but in what world does that happen in? Usually, if someone wants to slit their wrists and commit suicide they would usually do it at home, maybe in a bed or bath!

Taking his dogs for a walk? Really? Stop it! The story was suspect from the beginning, if he had slit his wrists at home, most people probably would not even have questioned the suicide, sometimes TPTB make mistakes too, by trying too hard.

Sprouting the official line, does not make it the truth. History is full of examples where the facts were eliminated in the official truths (coverups) like The Warren Commission, Watergate, Gulf of Tonkin, etc., common sense is thrown out of the window and who would ever believe that their government would lie to them? Certainly not you!

reply to post by stealthyaroura


Well, this states that the body was found with the electrodes already attached.

However the following article states that the paramedics at the scene were the ones to attach the electrodes...

As they approached the body, Hunt went to the right of Kelly and Bartlett to the left. Hunt checked for a pulse and Bartlett shone a light into his eyes to see if there was any pupil reaction. They then put four electrodes on his chest to detect any heart activity, but there was none. Kelly was pronounced dead at 10.07am. - www.globalresearch.ca...

I found this part interesting too...

When they arrived at the woods 15 minutes later it was immediately clear that this was not a run-of-the-mill incident. 'There were a lot of police around,' said Hunt. 'Some were in civilian clothes and others in black jackets and army fatigues. I thought it might have been a firearms incident as there were the guys from the special armed response units.'

Originally posted by LiveForever8

Dr Kelly - the BBC's source for a report claiming the government altered the contents of a dossier about Iraq - had probably been wearing a 24-hour electro-cardiogram recorder, also known as a Holter monitor, medical experts said.

But it was odd that the pads that are connected to the device had not been removed by doctors and were left attached to his chest, they said.

"If I was in a morgue and his body was presented to me I would have thought it had come out of a coronary care unit or an operating theatre," said Professor Konrad Jamrozik, of Imperial College Hospital London.

"It would be unusual for someone to be walking around wearing these pads," he told the press association.

Another heart specialist, who declined to be named, also said it was "very unusual" for someone to be found wearing the pads. - www.guardian.co.uk...

Some believe these electrodes where placed on Dr David Kelly to make sure he had died and that the perpetrators had been disturbed by someone/something and fled before having the opportunity to remove them from his chest.

Some doctors say it is 'very unusual' that he was wearing these electrodes outside of a hospital setting. Other seem to disagree.

One thing is for sure - it is yet another enigma to add to the numerous others that surround this case.

As an ex-Paramedic I can tell you that it would not be unusual.

There are certain circumstances in which resuscitaion is not commenced. In London these are related to protocols known as ETO11 (describing situations in which resus is not attempted - usually due to mechanism of injury leading to death)

This then leads into ROLE (recognition of life extinct) where a flat-line trace showing absent cardiac activity is required. This is achieved by using 12 line ECG monitor where monitoring pads would be placed on the deceased.

I'm not saying this happened, just throwing it into the mix.

reply to post by chukka


Thanks for the reply

I understand what you said, however, is it usual for someone to be walking around (whilst alive) wearing these devices?

reply to post by LiveForever8


Only if they were undergoing 24hr ECG monitoring as stated earlier, or had recently had them applied by a medical professional we had failed to remove them after whatever procedure the patient had undergone.

An interesting and well-presented thread! I can only say I agree that this was murderous assassination, I mean what more can one say?
Frivilous as it may sound, Dr. Kelly was only one in a list of possible bean-spillers who knew and plainly stated that they might be hit - including Princess Diana.
It's both empowering to know, but also hopelessly disempowering. We say things like "deny ignorance", and then people are blatantly murdered and we cannot do anything about it.

I would like to thank liveforever8 for this thread and in addition I would like to thank the other posters who have contributed. I have spent most of this evening watching and reading the links provided by you and have been inspired to become 'active' again.

I was heavily involved in the 'stop the war coalition' but became seriously demoralised when I called in re 'what next' when 'shocking and awful' occurred. The response was a stunned 'we don't know - our aim was to stop the invasion, now that its happened we don't know what to do.' I was shocked at the naivete. War crimes were being committed that required recording for later accountability.

We must fight for justice. We must have the law upheld, both our own and international. We cannot tolerate corrupted or corruptable leadership and must hold them accountable. Mr Blair and his lackies must face a court of law. We must not allow any of their criminality to be forgotten. We have to set the bar for future generations and demonstrate that corrupted leaders will not get away with lying us into illegal conflicts.

reply to post by LiveForever8

inconclusive then at best
Hmmm still so much more to this case as
you have so greatly shown.

70 years till the file is opened?

reply to post by micpsi


Thanks for answering my question with some very interesting information. What you said would make sense in all of this.

I also found the part the about there being armed police at the scene both suspicious and most interesting.

reply to post by christina-66


Good post, everything to do with the Iraq invasion is unacceptable.

Dr David Kelly was on a hitlist says UN weapons expert

A leading UN weapons inspector last night added his voice to the growing clamour for a full inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly.

Dr Richard Spertzel claimed Dr Kelly was on a 'hitlist' in the final years of his life. - www.dailymail.co.uk...

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[edit on 14/8/10 by LiveForever8]

The Government wouldn't have been the only ones who wanted him dead.

Think of Assange, right now plenty of people are against him (because of USA propaganda) and think he's put America or their soldiers in jeopardy when really he's set out to do the opposite (end the war).

If his name was given to the press obviously the public knew his name too. If one person of the public was upset enough, then..

There would still be a conspiracy involving the government though, since there was no investigation into his murder.

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Originally posted by stealthyaroura
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The above were the two brilliant students studying in
the field of DNA/GENETICS
Though not linked
I always thought that was suspicious.

S & F

spot on - those students were blatantly assassinated (badly and horribly) - the case needs more study - dark forces are at work

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"David Kelly postmortem reveals injuries were self-inflicted

Government releases previously secret medical files on death of weapons inspector at centre of BBC's Iraq dossier story."

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...


This is now supposed to quieten the "Conspiracy Theorists"

Originally posted by blupblup
"David Kelly postmortem reveals injuries were self-inflicted

Government releases previously secret medical files on death of weapons inspector at centre of BBC's Iraq dossier story."

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...


This is now supposed to quieten the "Conspiracy Theorists"

edit on 22/10/10 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

Hardly. The files contain no new information. This will no doubt persuade the Attorney-General not to have an inquest. But was always the intention behind Ken Clerk's pretense of openness. The forensic pathologist who wrote the report believes there was enough loss of blood to kill Kelly. This contradicts what the two paramedics saw when they arrived on the scene.


Whom would you more trust? An Establishment pathologist who was called to the scene after the paramedics, during which time the crime scene could have been altered to fit the official story? Or the paramedics, who saw the pristine scene before "officials" had time to be called there?

reply to post by micpsi




I wasn't saying I thought it "Should" quieten the CS's.... just that this is what "They" want.

I want a full investigation and want to find out who murdered this man.

Cheers

reply to post by ofhumandescent


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