Magestica as i said that is just my opinion,i have no proof it isn't and no proof it is..Their has been nothing to show me that their is a real connection but i shall stay openminded..

Originally posted by TheWanderer

It's just the way of civilization, when we become "urban dwellers" people become immoral, they enslave themselves through ignorance.

BB: always the same bloodlines are doing the enslaving.

It happend to Athens, 2500 years ago, it happend to Rome, 1500 years ago, it's happening today.

BB: this supports the idea of unknown controllers.

There doesn't need to be an "illuminati" to cause it.

BB: research shows there is.

It's also likely that someone IS putting it all around....but if someone is, it is NOT the Illuminati.

BB: are you omnicient?

I don't care if it is some Care Bear Cult, the Illuminati do NOT exist, that's a fact, there's no other evidence lol....the front could very well be the "Illuminati".

BB: are you omnicient?

While you're all looking for trinangles and weird numbers, the Care Bear Cult is getting closer to World Domination.

BB: why are these not two names for the same thing. kinda like cavalier and sunbird. or corolla and malibu.

You know honestly, it's become to the point where Illuminati isn't a "group" anymore.

BB: i thought they didn't exist? now there just not a group anymore?

They are a "name" for those "controllers of our daily lives".

BB: exactly. so why say they don't exist?

Top bankers, presidents, businessmen, land owners. Stock tycoons, Oil tycoons.

They aren't all apart of the same group...they might not know eachother.

BB: HAHA!! might not know each other. that's RICH.

But if it looks like it's pushing us into that historical pit fall every civilization has ever taken, millenia past, we call it "Illuminati" no matter what.

BB: seems to me the masses are just being introduced to the handlers "en masse". more condirioning, i'm sure.

Civilization is no more than 8,000 years old as we know it, and history is no more than 5,000 years old.

BB: are you omnicient?

How can we say what may be a normal up and down trend, is really the act of some "secret society".

BB: research. try "primitive" tribes as an alternate paradigm. follow the money and bloodlines for western trends and causes.

So secret in fact that it vanished without a trace at about 1780, and hasn't been heard from since.

BB: mmm hmmm.

Even the Ninja's were known of better than that, and they truly were a "master of secrets".

BB: statistics, please?

[Edited on 3-6-2003 by TheWanderer]

intellectual cockiness is a cage.

I don't know about 23, but I have an inkling towards the number 33, thats what I always notice and it always pops up in life. That and the number 7, which is prominent in revelaions, they are the only 2 numbers that I feel are special.

Who knows if numbers can actually have an effect on anything........there a some scientists and religios factions that believe numbers are much more "involved" than we think, affecting us and the world around as, it's all very strange

There is a techno soudsystem from england well known "spiraltribe" and "network23".

i had a revelation regarding this. simple. 23. 2/3. 0.666

The number 23 may not have necessary importance, but I can assure you, it is a number tagged by the illuminati.
It is their number, it has nothing to do with Christmas, the Mayan Calander, blood cells, vertibraes, and whatever else was mentioned..It is strictly a symbol they give or leave subtley, to say 'We've been here it belongs to us"

Now if someone tries to give you a mark with the number 23 on it or a number that adds up to it, I might be a tad bit concerned. Right now however, this is really a petty thread and is kind of reminding me of the cat you feed once that persist on coming back for more..

I WILL say this though..I'm amazed at all the interest and responses, that right there should tell us all something
Mags

Hey I just realized... this is the year 2003... 23... woah.

it's a big year for the illuminated. ask governor terminator.

Originally posted by billybob
it's a big year for the illuminated. ask governor terminator.

That is THE funniest thing I've read in a while! "governer terminator" Rotflmao!!

I am not a big fan of numbers having significance.
If you look hard enough you can find the same type of coincidences for other numbers as well.
However if RAW thinks there is something to it... well there just might be!

Read The Illuminatus Trilogy and Principia Discordia. Once you start looking you will see 23's everywhere. But if you also start looking for single shoes on the side of the road you will see 100's of those as well.

--The Mgt.

23 was the number of Michael Jordan. At his 2nd comeback, he chose number 40, but he did not play well...then we got back to #23, and scored 55 points against the New York Nicks, at his 6th game after return!

"23" is a cultural meme, started by Robert Anton Wilson, as stated elsewhere in this thread. I found the book about 6 years ago, read it and immediately went online to check the significance of teh number 23. There was NOTHING except the principia discordia site, dedicated to Wilson's work.

You should also look for FNORD, if your're intersted.

The golden mean/section, is the ratio 1/1.618

The Human body is laid out to this ratio, as is much else in nature. The Legs are 1.618 times longer than the torso, the forearm is 1.618 times longer than the upper arm, etc.

Now thats what I call number magic!

Hail Eris & 23 skidoo!