World tired of us: Israeli minister

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


I have to say my good sir, you have awoken a desire to write about such irony.

I just remembered those DOD docs with bible quotes on them.

It is kind of ironic. We started a religious war against Muslims to get oil. Now we have oil a plenty in our lands and a billion angry Muslims.

Gotta say. If God speaks through signs, he's made his point.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

I have to say my good sir, you have awoken a desire to write about such irony.

I just remembered those DOD docs with bible quotes on them.

It is kind of ironic. We started a religious war against Muslims to get oil. Now we have oil a plenty in our lands and a billion angry Muslims.

Gotta say. If God speaks through signs, he's made his point.

Of course God speaks through signs...ever seen a burning Israeli fall from the sky onto palestine...?

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Not meaning this as an insult, but for the life of me I cannot figure out what your last post is supposed to mean. Sorry, I'm a little dense tonight.

Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Not meaning this as an insult, but for the life of me I cannot figure out what your last post is supposed to mean. Sorry, I'm a little dense tonight.

Me and Gorman were talking about God speaking in Signs...the oil on our shores is a sign...

another one is the first israeli astronaut who fell from the sky burnt up from the Columbia disaster....where did he fall....in Palestine...



Yep Palestine, Texas that is...More signs that israel is the enemy

[edit on 4-7-2010 by THE_PROFESSIONAL]

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Good info there, thanks.

I'd like to see what the Israeli fanboys have to say about your post. I'm guessin they will ignore it cause the normal tact of calling anyone that points out Israeli history as an anti-semite is laughable most times but in this case it would just be sad.

Peace.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


I gotcha now. Thanks for the explanation. If I believed in a magical sky fairy, I would see that as a sign.

reply to post by Gorman91

Yea, you're arguing based on your own look on things without any proof but your word which is pretty much retarded.

So preaching gospel from with in instead of regurgitating what some donkey book reading crook covered in gold tells me to is retarded?

I have a soul and I have a mind, I have asked the holy spirit to give me common sense so i can interpret the words of Jesus and understand them...and because of this I am retarded.

Sweet!

Like I said. If you want to make up your own religion, do not copy paste another one.

I am not a christian, nor a Muslim nor a Jew there for I have in no way copy and pasted another religion. Copy and pasting is exactly what the Jews did to the Sumerian tablets and the Christians did to the Old scriptures that are now the old testament and the muslims did to all three.

I'm a Sufi, Gnostic who preaches truth and the teaching of Jesus.

And fyi, a lord is title. How you act is what you are. Same with what you say and how you act. That is what makes Jesus the true lord. That is what differentiate's him from Hitler and Stalin. He can have total control and total power, and not abuse it.

And a bird is a duck and a rat a crook. Jesus was a piece of the supreme being as are we all. Lord is your God Mammon.

That's how he's a lord with freedom. If you can't understand that, well then you're tied to the ways of men and too embellished in ignorance to understand how a flawless lord can allow freedom.

Freedom is the liberation of rule. A Lord that gives freedom is one who relinquishes his crown.

Jesus was called the King of Man by Jews who wanted him dead. The accused him of being a King so the Romans would see fit to call Jesus a criminal.

Only Antichrists Call Jesus Lord because they want to corrupt his teachings and keep people enslaved and ruled over by their priests.

Let Jerusalem and all the foolish who fight for her burn. I will still have the temple, my body.

Your body is but dust and is no more a temple than the rock that makes up Jerusalem. A mans temple is his soul and not the flesh that decays into dust.

And Jesus will still be my lord.

That is entirely your choice and not that of Jesus.

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Wow. 13 pages. I haven't seen a breaking news thread go this long since the last topic with israel is the subject line.

Give it a rest. They are not as evil as some, but maybe more evil than others. They are a people doing what is right by them and their country.

They are people, like you and I. They as well as me, want to live, raise a family and honor their God.

You can bash them or anyone for their views, morals, whatever from behind your tv or your computer, but tell me, if you happened to live in israel, you consider yourself evil? Or does geography really mean that much to someone with a keyboard and wi-fi? Bash whomever you choose, just remember, someday, they will be bashing bloggers, and then posters.

having just read all 13 pages thus far I conclude that I was spot on to drop out of Sunday School as soon as my parents gave me the option, about age 6.

I dont have a religious bone in my body, not a drop...

But,to play along..... if there is a God, and he is all knowing and all seeing, i am pretty confident that people who are Pro Humanity and show common decency to all will stand one hellava better chance of making it to the pearly Gates than the bitter and twisted mob that profess their "faith" on this thread....

Christian fundamentalism...?? Count me out.

Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

I gotcha now. Thanks for the explanation. If I believed in a magical sky fairy, I would see that as a sign.

You can create a bowl for a fish and put it in there and it will call it its universe...ask the fish to prove who made the bowl or if there is even a creator for that bowl...we humans are the fish we do not have the capacity to understand, or the technology....yet we are so arrogant that we think that we have all the technology in the world that God should be proved by now...we are the fish...admit it...just because we cant prove God, does not mean he does not exist...

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

You can create a bowl for a fish and put it in there and it will call it its universe...ask the fish to prove who made the bowl or if there is even a creator for that bowl...we humans are the fish we do not have the capacity to understand, or the technology....yet we are so arrogant that we think that we have all the technology in the world that God should be proved by now...we are the fish...admit it...just because we cant prove God, does not mean he does not exist...

Yes but once the fish accepts it's Lord god, ask the fish what kind of being would create a bow to keep a fish as a pet and worshiper....

God can create the bowl, and he can fill it with fish and ask the fish to call him their Lord and God, but what kind of a being would do that and for what reason?

My primary interest is for the freedom, health, happiness, wisdom and lack of pain for all citizens of planet earth. I have nothing but the best wishes for the people of Israel and the people of Palestine and the people of all other nations.

It is also my belief that God loves all His children equally and there is nothing particularly special -- either evil or good -- about supposed "holy places," be they Israel, Tibet, the Amazon basin, whatever. People are people.

I would like to note that I am firmly convinced that those who use Christian doctrine to support the current Israeli government are being played like a bad fiddle, however:

"My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”
-Benjamin Netanyahu, Leader of Israel

I am not anti-Israel, nor am I anti-Palestine. Personally I would like to have as little to do with the entire region as possible and let all those people sort out their own problems on their own. Again, I wish peace to all people on both sides of the argument. I believe God wants peace among His children as well. Sadly history teaches us this is unlikely.

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You can create a bowl for a fish and put it in there and it will call it its universe...ask the fish to prove who made the bowl or if there is even a creator for that bowl...we humans are the fish we do not have the capacity to understand, or the technology....yet we are so arrogant that we think that we have all the technology in the world that God should be proved by now...we are the fish...admit it...just because we cant prove God, does not mean he does not exist...

Yes but once the fish accepts it's Lord god, ask the fish what kind of being would create a bow to keep a fish as a pet and worshiper....

God can create the bowl, and he can fill it with fish and ask the fish to call him their Lord and God, but what kind of a being would do that and for what reason?

You don't question God, he can do anything he chooses...he made the angels to worship him and the human beings for the same reason.

We humans do ridiculous things that defy explanation...and you are asking questions of an omnipotent being..

Would you have God rather create you in the current form you are now or a goat on the himalays?....The greatest gift of all is consciousness..knowing that you were created...knowing that there is God...thanking God for creating you and the universe for you...

[edit on 4-7-2010 by THE_PROFESSIONAL]

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by Izarith
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

You can create a bowl for a fish and put it in there and it will call it its universe...ask the fish to prove who made the bowl or if there is even a creator for that bowl...we humans are the fish we do not have the capacity to understand, or the technology....yet we are so arrogant that we think that we have all the technology in the world that God should be proved by now...we are the fish...admit it...just because we cant prove God, does not mean he does not exist...

Yes but once the fish accepts it's Lord god, ask the fish what kind of being would create a bow to keep a fish as a pet and worshiper....

God can create the bowl, and he can fill it with fish and ask the fish to call him their Lord and God, but what kind of a being would do that and for what reason?

You don't question God, he can do anything he chooses...he made the angels to worship him and the human beings for the same reason.

We humans do ridiculous things that defy explanation...and you are asking questions of an omnipotent being..

Would you have God rather create you in the current form you are now or a goat on the himalays?....The greatest gift of all is consciousness..knowing that you were created...knowing that there is God...thanking God for creating you and the universe for you...

Right......

Where are my manners.

reply to post by silent thunder


Sweet Post man.

This is what I was trying to express, I just lack the knowledge of patience and ability to do it as you have.

reply to post by silent thunder


Right on. I feel pretty much the same as you (sans God).

I have a problem with both Isreal and Palestine. One faction steals land from the other at an alarming rate, and corrals the remaining people up without the means to create themselves a desirable place to live. Both sides use terror to try to get the other side to submit or back off. If someone drove me from my home and bulldozed it to build their own, maybe I would resort to similar tactics. Who knows. The Israelis have forced the Palestinians into a dire situation. And in return, the Palestinians have put fear of rocket rain and suicide bombers into the lives of the Israelis. Both of them act like 2 children who are forced to share a room by their parents. However, one of them gets treated like the favorite and has grown faster than the other. And like the 2 children sharing a room, the bigger child bullies the smaller.

My only concern with the world uniting under an umbrella of peace, love and harmony is who's vision will provide the blueprint. I don't want to live in a utopia not of my liking.

Iserail should stop playing the victum like they tried after killing 9 peace protestors.

As i understand it you had two types of jews during WWII and most that got killed were Russian jews along with 20m Russians in the camps but they just count them as jews to bump the numbers up and the jews with power were all allowed to escape via swedon and denmark and where no more friendly to the russia jews than Germans were to the Britsih.

They wanted and were given Iserail because they control the worlds banks and i don't think the maxwells of this world did anything but profit from WWII along with grandad Bush.

Jews should have a homeland but not the prime religious real eatate they were given in iserail just because they say they are the chossen ones because we can all say that.

Puting the fox in the hen house was always gong to be trouble and since the USA have given them nukes then don't be suprised if the USA gets attacked when Iserail pushed it too far.

This thread surely confirms rather than deny the fact, that the world is tired of Israel.
Personally i'm not capable of identifying myself with such hatred.

Therefore all i can say is, if you ever :

Get stucked in an elevator
Need a fair trial
Have a car accident
Need shelter
Need any kind of aid
Need a doctor to save your life
Need to be rescued from a disaster
Need help because your child is being bullied in school
Need help, because your house burns down
Need help cause someone wish you dead, just for being you
Need help to pick you up if you fall

I wish you will get all the help you need. And i'll wish you won't turn down any help, even if the helping hand, by a coincidence, turns out to be a jew or Israeli.

With all this huge compassion and empathy for the "downtrodden" shining through all of you. No doubt, that you would do the right thing for a fellow human, even you may hate them

reply to post by proudcaptalist


Bullcrap. The only people who want lots of Jews dead are the politicians of Israel, who get elected on the dead bodies of Jewish people.

Frankly most of the world cares about Jews the way it cares about Bahais or Azerbaijanis; "Who? Oh, okay. So how 'bout the weather?"

Originally posted by jean59
reply to post by tooo many pills

 

There speaks an american who killed the natives and stole their land,
Not to mention they are all from different countries.

Hypocrisy is alive and kicking in this wonderful world of ours...................
I don't mean to be rude, but really its like the pot calling the kettle black.

Did tooo many pills personally kill the natives and steal their land? No.

Just because his ancestors did something terrible in the past does not mean he cannot stand up and say it's wrong when another country does it in the present day.

My lineage has German blood in it. Which means my distant relatives could of partook in the genocide of the Jews. So by your logic it would be hypocritical for me to speak out against genocide. I'm also white so I guess I can't be against slavery either, you know, seeing as I don't want to be a hypocrit.

Just because our ancestors did terrible things in the past doesn't mean we should just let it slide today.

Oh and by the way this is my first post to ATS so hey everyone.
Boooooo government and all that jazz.

Scouse