posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 09:09 PM
First we need to agree that a TRUE GOD can ONLY be All-Loving, All-Knowing and All-Powerful (ALAKAP). That is a necessary statement as the ones who
have faith in God give Him these attributes.
Read up a definition of God and that's what you'll find. It's not MY statement... But it seems logical that a "true" God would be ALAKAP.
What would be a God who lacks of only one of these attributes??! All of them?
Certainly NOT GOD.
Thus, I can prove that the character presented in the Bibles is NOT, I repeat, IS NOT, ALAKAP!!! In fact, he’s none of these things!!! And I have
MANY (logical/rational) proofs/evidence. The concept of God we (Jewish, Christians and Muslim) know about is a logical fallacy. The (Good, All-loving)
GOD we believe in doesn’t exist!
I will present in this (lengthy) discussion (split in 2 threads for more comfortable reading) 4 points/questions to illustrate my claim.
I will use simple words and reasoning to express «my» ideas. Not only for everyone to understand but to show that it’s not necessary to use
complex/obscure words to explain even the most difficult topics. And to don’t let or make people think that they understand something, in fact,
The following is NOT an attack on anyone. It’s a genuine attempt to transmit/share some «knowledge» to explain «our» (mis)conception of «God».
Later on, I will have more material/questions like: Does having faith in the Bible mean having faith in the men who wrote it? Can we be Righteous,
thus worthy of Heaven? A text on ‘The Holy Spirit, Christ, sin, miracles…
I have nothing to sell, no book nor DVD.
I guess, if you had to, you could call me a skeptic-agnostic.
I am not a follower nor a «hater» of the God of the Bible(s) nor ANY other conception of God (religions).
I’m not an atheist either. That’s a belief system too. Yes it is, because contrary to their claim, it’s not only that they don’t believe in
God, but they believe God does not exist. There is no doubt in their mind or, if there is, they are unknowingly agnostic.
I especially don’t believe that we (human-beings) are Gods nor perfect. Far from it. I believe we are desperately scared, thus delusional, selfish,
pervert little creatures. But it can be changed! We can evolve! But for that, we have to painfully loose our illusions first.
Don’t ask me questions on specific quotes of the Bibles. This thread is meant to be a metaphysical one. I don’t want to discuss any particular
religion. I am no theologian. And please, keep the discussion on the arguments I present. Thank you.
So, let’s begin…
A- Is God omniscient (All-knowing)? Is it compatible with free-will?
I - God doubts!
We’ll see Job’s test (part C), in the light of God’s fairness or perfection but now I will show that these «tests» reveal something much more
troublesome about God: His apparent DOUBT/lack of knowledge! We’ll use the First Test, the one which decided our fate as mortal human-beings: Adam &
Why test Adam and Eve (A&E), beings that HE, HIMSELEF, created? Does He NOT KNOW their perfection? How come, even being perfect GOD still (can) have
doubts(?) about them and need to administrate a test?!
God is supposed to be OMNISCIENT (All-knowing), for him to doubt... Wouldn’t that mean that HE ISN’T omniscient in fact? Knowing EVERYTHING means
EVERYTHING, no less.
Also, does He not KNOW their future reactions?
He's supposed to know anything anyone will do before they're even born/created! Past, present, future (because time is meaningless for him and
because he is the one deciding of the course of the future) action/thoughts, HE KNOWS it ALL, right?
That means there is NO result of any "test", NO choice to make that He doesn’t know about before one is even confronted with it!
He even send (or let) Satan/the Serpent to tempt them. He, at the very least, knows the Serpent try to do so. Don’t tell me He doesn’t (know)
because if you do, that’s proof He isn’t All-knowing.
So, one has to wonder: Does God WANT to cast A&E out of Eden? Because or He’s VERY doubtful of their obedience (BTW is obedience a necessary
component of perfection???) or He’s trying hard to make them disobey (By sending or letting Satan convince us)!
This logical evidence should suffice to understand that something's wrong, shouldn’t it?
Really, how is it possible that GOD (All-knowing) doesn’t know how HIS OWN creations would react in any situation? What's even the purpose of
testing the righteous/perfect ones? Does He need to be sure? Again, GOD not being sure, doubting, NOT KNOWING makes perfect sense to you???
Or, is it that, TRULY, He is NOT ALL-knowing?
II - Free-will
Some would, at this point, pull out their wild-card, the magic word, for any such impossible, illogical account of potential «events»: free-will. I
mean that once the concept of free-will is introduced in our mind/reasoning, we (more accurately Faithers) forget that HE ‘put it there’.
This word is supposed to explain by its own nearly all the inconsistencies and stop all further embarrassing questions. It's just that… It
What means free-will when, again, our creator knows EVERYTHING we have done (thought of), are doing (thinking) and will ever do (think) as an
All-knowing God is supposed to?
It simply means that we (as Adam or Job) have the ILLUSION of a choice, but everything is known beforehand by GOD.
I know... It would mean that we have a pervert liar as GOD, because HE knew that HE'd cast out A&E out of Eden even before to create them, and make
them (thus mankind) think that He didn’t (know).
Or is it that He doesn’t know everything?!.. No alternative.
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