I grew up in a very strict Christian household, i have to say we were scared to blink for fear we might go to hell. Now that i am an adult making my
own decisions, Buddhism has been my liberation. It is not fear based, only loving kindness will help us get through life not pointing and judging.
Comparison of Christianity and Buddhism, page 5
reply posted on 5-7-2010 @ 11:12 PM by Astyanax
reply to post by filosophia
As a force for social cohesion, promoting cooperation, reciprocity, mutual respect and cutural achievement, Christianity is infinitely superior to Buddhism.
The historical record shows this plainly.
I am the product of a society in which Theravada Buddhism is given pride of place and protected by the State. The history of my country since its independence from Britain is a sorry record indeed.
I am not generalizing from a single example; consider the state of any Theravada-dominant country - Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia and Laos - the picture is always much the same.
The Mahayana countries have done slightly better, on the whole, though the societies this faith has built cannot, in my opinion, be compared - in quality of life, in potential for individual self-realization, in simple functionality, or in the achievements of high culture - with those built on a Christian ethos. Indeed, the two high cultures where Buddhism took root - China and Japan - were on their way to greatness long before it arrived on their shores.
This, to my mind, shows the fatal flaw of Buddhism.
It is a fine thing for intellectuals, but it provides few of the consolations simple folk look to religion to provide. Indeed, it denigrates the social emotions as mere manifestations of attachment.
As a force for social cohesion, promoting cooperation, reciprocity, mutual respect and cutural achievement, Christianity is infinitely superior to Buddhism.
The historical record shows this plainly.
I am the product of a society in which Theravada Buddhism is given pride of place and protected by the State. The history of my country since its independence from Britain is a sorry record indeed.
I am not generalizing from a single example; consider the state of any Theravada-dominant country - Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia and Laos - the picture is always much the same.
The Mahayana countries have done slightly better, on the whole, though the societies this faith has built cannot, in my opinion, be compared - in quality of life, in potential for individual self-realization, in simple functionality, or in the achievements of high culture - with those built on a Christian ethos. Indeed, the two high cultures where Buddhism took root - China and Japan - were on their way to greatness long before it arrived on their shores.
This, to my mind, shows the fatal flaw of Buddhism.
It is a fine thing for intellectuals, but it provides few of the consolations simple folk look to religion to provide. Indeed, it denigrates the social emotions as mere manifestations of attachment.
reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 02:32 PM by ApacheChief
reply to post by gems1
I respect that you have had an unpleasant experience in christianity but isn't really the environment and not necessarily the faith at large that has been the catalyst or did you have a much more sweeping experience?
I respect that you have had an unpleasant experience in christianity but isn't really the environment and not necessarily the faith at large that has been the catalyst or did you have a much more sweeping experience?
reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 04:15 PM by LifeIsEnergy
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by filosophia
As a force for social cohesion, promoting cooperation, reciprocity, mutual respect and cutural achievement, Christianity is infinitely superior to Buddhism.
The historical record shows this plainly.
You see Filosophia, this is what happens when you use 'Christian' ways to promote Buddhism. You attract the same ignorance your trying to teach against, but you do not teach anyone, rather, your just sticking your neck out allowing another to come and cut you with the same argument you use against them. This is how wars are started. This is why it is not 'Buddhist-like' to do. I think the person above me did a good job explaining why some 'Christians' 'Muslims' and even some 'Jews' feel as they do.
I am the product of a society in which Theravada Buddhism is given pride of place and protected by the State. The history of my country since its independence from Britain is a sorry record indeed.
I am not generalizing from a single example; consider the state of any Theravada-dominant country - Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia and Laos - the picture is always much the same.
The Mahayana countries have done slightly better, on the whole, though the societies this faith has built cannot, in my opinion, be compared - in quality of life, in potential for individual self-realization, in simple functionality, or in the achievements of high culture - with those built on a Christian ethos. Indeed, the two high cultures where Buddhism took root - China and Japan - were on their way to greatness long before it arrived on their shores.
This, to my mind, shows the fatal flaw of Buddhism.
You make a good point, and this is a question I am often asked, "If Buddhism is so good, than why are so many still in poverty and famine?" But I think you answered yourself, by stating, Buddhist nations such as: India, Nepal, Tibet, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam... have been victims of having their land conquered, people slaughtered (genocide) and had trade embargo's placed against them by non-buddhist people/countries. So to place any blame or guilt upon Buddhism is irrelevant and ignorant. The only argument I could see one making on this subject is "well their too peaceful and do not use war enough to defend themselves from other war/power hungry people/nations." But I think every religion and every culture teaches a common lesson to their children as their growing up, which is "Two wrongs never make a right."
It is a fine thing for intellectuals, but it provides few of the consolations simple folk look to religion to provide. Indeed, it denigrates the social emotions as mere manifestations of attachment.
The person above me gave a great answer to this.
Anyways on another note, today is the Dalai Lama's B-day!
Dalai Lama's B-day!
reply posted on 6-7-2010 @ 09:24 PM by inforeal
reply to post by ApacheChief
Faith is important becasue one has to have faith that the religious path one is on will bring change.
A genuine esoteric path has balance—esoteric and exoteric.
To lean too much either way causes imbalance.
Jesus himself, for example, was very mystical yet followed the Hebrew law
Esoteric is just more of the inner meaning of religion.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
Faith is important becasue one has to have faith that the religious path one is on will bring change.
A genuine esoteric path has balance—esoteric and exoteric.
To lean too much either way causes imbalance.
Jesus himself, for example, was very mystical yet followed the Hebrew law
Esoteric is just more of the inner meaning of religion.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 12:34 AM by ApacheChief
Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by ApacheChief
Faith is important becasue one has to have faith that the religious path one is on will bring change.
A genuine esoteric path has balance—esoteric and exoteric.
To lean too much either way causes imbalance.
Jesus himself, for example, was very mystical yet followed the Hebrew law
Esoteric is just more of the inner meaning of religion.
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
[edit on 6-7-2010 by inforeal]
I'll agree with you. if I may ask what do you find mystical about Jesus? because I find that his teaching very matter of fact. if you mean the parables I agree that it is a kind of hidden knowledge thing.
reply posted on 7-7-2010 @ 12:52 PM by dominicus
reply to post by filosophia
In reply to Op, being a Christian Mystic myself, and seeing Buddhism as integral for furthering ones own Christian path, I feel the need to speak on this:
Actually you can say they work hand in hand. It is difficult for the working man, mothers, children, and the busy nature of people in societies for the last 2-3,000 years to set aside so much meditation and work on oneself the way Buddhists have in monasteries and such.
SO enter Christianity. Its more of a Grace path, you do some work and God meets you half way and blesses you with experiences and the Holy Spirit which then enable you to meditate and go within.
Then when going within, since there is not much written in the Christian tradition of goes on within ...you can study Buddhism as there are blueprints of an individuals internal realms.
Forgiveness needs to be done in Buddhism also. You can't move forward until this happens. Christianity works through one's own means also because one has to make their own decision to go down the path or not.
I'll skip this part for now. It would require me to write a book that branches out into all sort of philosophical, relative, metaphysical topics to even begin to scratch the surface. I can say that in buddhism you do have Karma and it is established through wrong actions or Sins. The word Sin actually simply means to fall short of the ideal. Both Buddhism and Christianity hold that there is an ideal state ....so to sin simply means the same as in buddhism would be wrong action.
In certain denominations of Christianity, especially Eastern Orthodoxy, they also hold that through the direct experiences of God ...you become blessed with Gnosis (spiritual hidden knowledge) on how you operate, blueprints of the ego, physiology, and also the relinquishing of suffering. One also gains Union w/ God or enlightenment which also becomes freedom from Sin and suffering.
I can also say, the main point of the Bible is the teachings and actions of Christ who experienced enlightenment and taught the highest knowledge possible, albeit he dumbed it down using parables.
But to say "which everyone can verify" well that's a faulty statement. Its relative and subjective so inconclusive.
In Easter Orthodoxy, they say the Garden of Edan was Oneness with God or a Nondual state (the original state of being aimed for in Buddhism). Then somehow there was a putting on of the ego which equals the Illusion that we are all separate and the experience of illusuory duality which is both sides of spectrums such as good and evil, love and hate, etc. Before that there was just Nonduality. Completely compatible!!!
Christianity holds that the cause of suffering is being born into this world through putting on of the ego, the cause of all duality, desire, illusions, and sin!!!
Yes from a nondual point it would seem so. But for someone in Union with God, all things are One.
Christianity holds that God is the same God now, is God was then. Meaning if God is infinite nonduality, then its easy to see how that Being always is. Change happens in the Now and the Now always is. Compatible for both sides!!!
In Buddhism they have the Bardo of the afterlife. Also a sort of hell, punishment, suffering, and testing grounds for the soul. The only way through it is being enlightened. A sin Christianity, then only way into Heaven is also to have a sort of Enlightenment through Christ and with God.
In Christianity, you eventually reach a state of transcendence (I have had this state for the last 5-6 years and its awesome!!!) You no longer have any attachments and no longer fear death amongst many other awesome things!!
ANybody born into this world eventually slips into ego/illusion mode. Completely compatible
Many monks, mystics, saints, and theologians within Christianity would also agree. You just described the ego!!!
Would require a book to explain.
We can say then, that Buddha-Nature was simply Buddha tapping into God ...and that "God" found in all things, is the way, the truth, the life. Well of Jesus also was tapped into God ....well you can catch my drift from there...
Before you post another comparison, it would be important that you see that there are multiple branches of CHristianity and multiple branches of Buddhism and all of these branches bicker amongst themselves over who is right and wrong.
It is proper to have a vast knowledge of all these different branches and also to know that what you label something as one thing ....is just a label and not the actual thing.
Buddha-hood and Christ-hood are extremely compatible. The only thing I find lacking in Buddhism is the Holy Spirit experience. What I find lacking in Christianity is inner guidance on how to traverse the dynamics of the inner life (psychology, physiology, ego, energy, etc)
I can you can consider me a Christian Mystic Buddhist (nondualist) and as one, I say that your points lack weight without a proper deeper investigation behind the labels and concepts that are not the actual.
In reply to Op, being a Christian Mystic myself, and seeing Buddhism as integral for furthering ones own Christian path, I feel the need to speak on this:
Buddhism is a superior philosophy to Christianity.
Actually you can say they work hand in hand. It is difficult for the working man, mothers, children, and the busy nature of people in societies for the last 2-3,000 years to set aside so much meditation and work on oneself the way Buddhists have in monasteries and such.
SO enter Christianity. Its more of a Grace path, you do some work and God meets you half way and blesses you with experiences and the Holy Spirit which then enable you to meditate and go within.
Then when going within, since there is not much written in the Christian tradition of goes on within ...you can study Buddhism as there are blueprints of an individuals internal realms.
Buddhism holds that one gains enlightenment through their own means, not through another's means or through a God's will or forgiveness.
Forgiveness needs to be done in Buddhism also. You can't move forward until this happens. Christianity works through one's own means also because one has to make their own decision to go down the path or not.
Christianity holds that through acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior, one is forgiven of their sins.
I'll skip this part for now. It would require me to write a book that branches out into all sort of philosophical, relative, metaphysical topics to even begin to scratch the surface. I can say that in buddhism you do have Karma and it is established through wrong actions or Sins. The word Sin actually simply means to fall short of the ideal. Both Buddhism and Christianity hold that there is an ideal state ....so to sin simply means the same as in buddhism would be wrong action.
Buddhism holds that through gnosis of the cause of suffering, and the relinquishing of suffering, one gains unsurpassed nirvana, which is freedom from suffering (sin).
In certain denominations of Christianity, especially Eastern Orthodoxy, they also hold that through the direct experiences of God ...you become blessed with Gnosis (spiritual hidden knowledge) on how you operate, blueprints of the ego, physiology, and also the relinquishing of suffering. One also gains Union w/ God or enlightenment which also becomes freedom from Sin and suffering.
Buddhism is based on the experience of enlightenment attained by the Buddha, which can be verified by everyone.
I can also say, the main point of the Bible is the teachings and actions of Christ who experienced enlightenment and taught the highest knowledge possible, albeit he dumbed it down using parables.
But to say "which everyone can verify" well that's a faulty statement. Its relative and subjective so inconclusive.
Christianity holds that the cause of suffering is Adam and Eve's sin of eating a forbidden fruit.
In Easter Orthodoxy, they say the Garden of Edan was Oneness with God or a Nondual state (the original state of being aimed for in Buddhism). Then somehow there was a putting on of the ego which equals the Illusion that we are all separate and the experience of illusuory duality which is both sides of spectrums such as good and evil, love and hate, etc. Before that there was just Nonduality. Completely compatible!!!
Buddhism holds that the cause of suffering is desire.
Christianity holds that the cause of suffering is being born into this world through putting on of the ego, the cause of all duality, desire, illusions, and sin!!!
Christianity holds that God created all things, good and evil.
Yes from a nondual point it would seem so. But for someone in Union with God, all things are One.
Buddhism states that all things are impermanent and subject to change.
Christianity holds that God is the same God now, is God was then. Meaning if God is infinite nonduality, then its easy to see how that Being always is. Change happens in the Now and the Now always is. Compatible for both sides!!!
Christianity believes that good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell.
In Buddhism they have the Bardo of the afterlife. Also a sort of hell, punishment, suffering, and testing grounds for the soul. The only way through it is being enlightened. A sin Christianity, then only way into Heaven is also to have a sort of Enlightenment through Christ and with God.
Buddhism believes transcendence is more important than finding the origin of life (long since gone as it happened in the past).
In Christianity, you eventually reach a state of transcendence (I have had this state for the last 5-6 years and its awesome!!!) You no longer have any attachments and no longer fear death amongst many other awesome things!!
Christianity believes the individual is born a sinner.
ANybody born into this world eventually slips into ego/illusion mode. Completely compatible
Buddhism believes the individual is a series of connected moments, called in temporary terms a 'self' but is in fact a series of dependent and therefore impermanent material states of consciousness.
Many monks, mystics, saints, and theologians within Christianity would also agree. You just described the ego!!!
Christianity believes that Jesus is the way, the truth, the life
Would require a book to explain.
Buddhism believes the Buddha-nature, found within all things, is the way, the truth, the life.
We can say then, that Buddha-Nature was simply Buddha tapping into God ...and that "God" found in all things, is the way, the truth, the life. Well of Jesus also was tapped into God ....well you can catch my drift from there...
Before you post another comparison, it would be important that you see that there are multiple branches of CHristianity and multiple branches of Buddhism and all of these branches bicker amongst themselves over who is right and wrong.
It is proper to have a vast knowledge of all these different branches and also to know that what you label something as one thing ....is just a label and not the actual thing.
Buddha-hood and Christ-hood are extremely compatible. The only thing I find lacking in Buddhism is the Holy Spirit experience. What I find lacking in Christianity is inner guidance on how to traverse the dynamics of the inner life (psychology, physiology, ego, energy, etc)
I can you can consider me a Christian Mystic Buddhist (nondualist) and as one, I say that your points lack weight without a proper deeper investigation behind the labels and concepts that are not the actual.
reply posted on 10-7-2010 @ 01:30 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by LifeIsEnergy
It is your words, here quoted, that are irrelevant and ignorant.
India is not a Buddhist country. Buddhism began declining in India in the fifth century and had almost totally disappeared by the twelfth. This decline pre-dates the Mogul conquest and has nothing to do with genocides (!) or trade embargoes.
Thailand was never conquered by any Western power.
Even at their peak, the Buddhist kingdoms of Asia were indistinguishable in terms of moral and social development from their neighbours. In fact, they tended to be far more fragile and vulnerable to internal strife and external assault. In Indonesia and elsewhere, Buddhism was superseded by Hinduism before its total eclipse by Islam.
Your response is historically uninformed and clearly sectarian in its tenor.
Another damned religious charlatan, like Jerry Falwell and the Pope. Who cares?
[edit on 10/7/10 by Astyanax]
This is a question I am often asked, "If Buddhism is so good, than why are so many still in poverty and famine?" But I think you answered yourself, by stating, Buddhist nations such as: India, Nepal, Tibet, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam... have been victims of having their land conquered, people slaughtered (genocide) and had trade embargo's placed against them by non-buddhist people/countries. So to place any blame or guilt upon Buddhism is irrelevant and ignorant.
It is your words, here quoted, that are irrelevant and ignorant.
India is not a Buddhist country. Buddhism began declining in India in the fifth century and had almost totally disappeared by the twelfth. This decline pre-dates the Mogul conquest and has nothing to do with genocides (!) or trade embargoes.
Thailand was never conquered by any Western power.
Even at their peak, the Buddhist kingdoms of Asia were indistinguishable in terms of moral and social development from their neighbours. In fact, they tended to be far more fragile and vulnerable to internal strife and external assault. In Indonesia and elsewhere, Buddhism was superseded by Hinduism before its total eclipse by Islam.
Your response is historically uninformed and clearly sectarian in its tenor.
Anyways on another note, today is the Dalai Lama's B-day!
Another damned religious charlatan, like Jerry Falwell and the Pope. Who cares?
[edit on 10/7/10 by Astyanax]
reply posted on 11-7-2010 @ 09:54 PM by LifeIsEnergy
reply to post by Astyanax
LOL, again irrelevant and ignorant, no need for me to pick apart your statement and show you that, you already know. Keep trying to convince yourself otherwise tho!
And what is your dislike for the Dalai Lama?
Again, no comment, you already know.
LOL, again irrelevant and ignorant, no need for me to pick apart your statement and show you that, you already know. Keep trying to convince yourself otherwise tho!
And what is your dislike for the Dalai Lama?
Again, no comment, you already know.
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