Michael Steele Says Afghanistan Was 'War Of Obama's Choosing,'

reply to post by prionace glauca


Who is the first person in this thread to mention what race he is?

He said something that is either dishonest, stupid, or willfully ignorant. When did race come up?

reply to post by prionace glauca


Uh..no...it's because he's a world class moron, a liar AND complicit in the crimes of Bush/Cheney.
Try to pay closer attention!

reply to post by prionace glauca


This is what he said

"This was a war of Obama's choosing," Michael Steele said at the event. "This is not something the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."

This war has been going since 2001. To even say that somehow America chose not to engage in it is intellectual dishonesty. It was engaged before Obama was even considered for candidacy.

Race need not be mentioned, though heavily tinged in the replies. Many of you are the same individuals to have used race against the very policies & statements were argued against with Obumbus. Things are a bit different when those races are not playing on your side of the ball park.


Either who just more of the same.


ETA: Michael Steele is a thorn for the left and for the right. He has had some missteps in his dealings, but he isn't in lockstep with the good ol' boys as many would like him to be. The left doesn't like him because he is playing for the wrong side and it doesn't resonate with the left's message that Republicans are unwelcoming to minority members.








[edit on 2-7-2010 by prionace glauca]

The subject of race came up when a Republican apologist mentioned it!
Part of the tactic of now posting, "liberals say all criticism of Obama is racist", a cheesy dishonest way of steering the thread away from Steele's idiocy to racist bickering.
They use this ALL the time.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
Race need not be mentioned, you are the same individuals to have used this same tactic against the very policies & statements were argued against with obumbus.

Either who just more of the same.









[edit on 2-7-2010 by prionace glauca]

Oh. My bad. Now I get it. Thank you.

You brought up race for no reason, blamed people for using it (when no one was) and the reason you give is because it need not be said. Amazing leap of logic.

How about you just let us discuss this ignorant twisting of reality done by a POLITICIAN OF ANY RACE in order to distort facts and push an agenda. You go find a race based thread to complain about. Sound fair?

But all said and done, where does his statement differ from what Obama is time and time again shown to have supported those very statements?






[edit on 2-7-2010 by prionace glauca]

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TOLD YOU SO!
Very predictable!

reply to post by antonia


I really have to wonder about the levels of stupidity of those in Washington D.C.

And I really have to wonder about the level of stupidity of those who listen to them.

I am of course referring to those who believe anything politician say to begin with.

Quite simply because our involvement within Afghanistan, while currently at 9 years, as active and live, has been around since I was 6 years old, back in the late 70's.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Operations Cyclone

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989.

I was 6 years old in 1979 when this crap started and this is just what we know.

Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken; funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.

So, what was that again, Michael Steele, you were saying about Obama and Afghanistan?

Some people might know this particular operation by another name from Hollywood.

If you watch movies and read books you can easily decipher this bogus claim.

Charlie Wilson's War movie trailer


That is of course the limited and proper propagandized version of the series of events.

Meaning, the lies Hollywood wants to tell us, via arrangement with our Government.

Please, do not take this as myself defending Barack Obama, because I am not.

Instead it is showing how many lies Washington D.C. tells on itself in their turf wars.

It just amazes me the level of stupidity those within Washington D.C. will go to, in order to thrash each other, building up momentum, discrediting each other, and fighting an insular political turf war, that literally tears the U.S. apart.

Due to the incredibly fighting over Kibbles and Bits out of the food bowl these immature dogs are squabbling over the meaty bits of power, instead of just doing their jobs.

Anyone with half a brain sees through this charade they play easily enough.

Especially if you use common sense, knowledge of politics, and their game playing.

Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001

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Amazon Review :

Steve Coll's Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 offers revealing details of the CIA's involvement in the evolution of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the years before the September 11 attacks.

From the beginning, Coll shows how the CIA's on-again, off-again engagement with Afghanistan after the end of the Soviet war left officials at Langley with inadequate resources and intelligence to appreciate the emerging power of the Taliban.

He also demonstrates how Afghanistan became a deadly playing field for international politics where Soviet, Pakistani, and U.S. agents armed and trained a succession of warring factions.

At the same time, the book, though opinionated, is not solely a critique of the agency.

Coll balances accounts of CIA failures with the success stories, like the capture of Mir Amal Kasi.

Coll, managing editor for the Washington Post, covered Afghanistan from 1989 to 1992.

He demonstrates unprecedented access to records of White House meetings and to formerly classified material, and his command of Saudi, Pakistani, and Afghani politics is impressive.

He also provides a seeming insider's perspective on personalities like George Tenet, William Casey, and anti-terrorism czar, Richard Clarke ("who seemed to wield enormous power precisely because hardly anyone knew who he was or what exactly he did for a living").

Coll manages to weave his research into a narrative that sometimes has the feel of a Tom Clancy novel yet never crosses into excess.

While comprehensive, Coll's book may be hard going for those looking for a direct account of the events leading to the 9-11 attacks.

The CIA's 1998 engagement with bin Laden as a target for capture begins a full two-thirds of the way into Ghost Wars, only after a lengthy march through developments during the Carter, Reagan, and early Clinton Presidencies.

But this is not a critique of Coll's efforts; just a warning that some stamina is required to keep up.

Ghost Wars is a complex study of intelligence operations and an invaluable resource for those seeking a nuanced understanding of how a small band of extremists rose to inflict incalculable damage on American soil.

--Patrick O'Kelley

We have quite literally had an interest and or involvement in Afghanistan for 30 years.

And as per usual, when it comes to Washington D.C., it is about who can shift the ongoing story, so one party gets the praise for the positives, and finding a scapegoat to pin the negatives on, something those in Government know all too well.

So, this is nothing new under the Sun, it is just a new chess piece, and a new pawn.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

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Let's all look on the bright side. In 2 to 6 years the warmongering will be done by the Rethuglicans and not the Demonrats. Then they can just switch roles again.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

Let's all look on the bright side. In 2 to 6 years the warmongering will be done by the Rethuglicans and not the Demonrats. Then they can just switch roles again.

Not hardly, it will be a new war, a new spin on it, just the same old stale tactics.

Smoke and mirrors, bait and switch, shuffle the shell game, and move on.

Taking our money, using it against our interests, and screwing the public in the process.

The Old Shell Game


Politics has always been a shell game, both of the two parties, playing the same con.

Within those who make policy, they find something to stand for, repackage it, and sell it as new, selling the American populace on the "new thing" to care about.

People are so blind as to these stale tactics of useless people in Washington D.C.

The biggest jobs they have is separating us from our wallets through taxes.

And finding some place in the world, to exploit, and use propaganda to sell it.

And because the vast majority of American citizens are politically ignorant they buy it.

They are far too interested in watching American Idol, Big Brother, and "The Real World".

And have zero knowledge of what is going on in Afghanistan or anywhere else.

No wonder the politicians can keep this con game going for so long they are conning imbeciles.

The average American, my comments are in no way a reflection upon you antonia, nor anyone else on ATS, but those people who know nothing of politics.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


They are far too interested in watching American Idol, Big Brother, and "The Real World".

I watch all those religiously...but what about "So You Think You Can Dance"?

No, but seriously, last night, that first episode of "The Real World : New Orleans"...that one kid... Ryan...He's very annoying.

No but Michael Steele is too stupid to sell hot dogs at a Little League game...He should have been fired some time ago...Then he can become disgruntled, abandon conservatism, and write for "The Huffington Post"...It'll be great.






[edit on 2-7-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]

Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by OldDragger

 

Exactly, Obama made Afghanistan his priority and stuck to it.

Then the reason for this thread is just for bashing a Black Republican.

Ah ha...

the feller who bemoans the race card pulls it.

Its true you can use that thing as a bashing weapon and a shield, but then again you know that little tidbit.


[edit on 3-7-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


They are far too interested in watching American Idol, Big Brother, and "The Real World".

I watch all those religiously...but what about "So You Think You Can Dance"?

No, but seriously, last night, that first episode of "The Real World : New Orleans"...that one kid... Ryan...He's very annoying.

No but Michael Steele is too stupid to sell hot dogs at a Little League game...He should have been fired some time ago...Then he can become disgruntled, abandon conservatism, and write for "The Huffington Post"...It'll be great.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]

It is rather funny and amusing to watch the idiots in power fighting over foreign and or domestic policies, those actions which are taken due to policy, and then watch them fall flat on their faces and scramble to find a scapegoat.

To think these people actually represent our best interests is a joke if you ask me.

Whether it is Obama, McCain, or Steele, or any other idiot in power, the convoluted crap coming out of their mouth just astounds me, not because any of it really matters, but people actually buy it as the truth, when it is quite obviously lies.

The Hashish Army - Afghanistan


Oh yes, please, keep wasting my tax dollars in a useless war, please.

If not for the drugs they raise and the oil pipelines Afghanistan would be a blip on the map.

When it comes to this useless piece of property the only thing going for it is its isolation.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Golden Crescent

The Golden Crescent is the name given to one of Asia's two principal areas of illicit opium production, located at the crossroads of Central, South, and Western Asia.

This space overlaps three nations, Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan, whose mountainous peripheries define the crescent, though only Afghanistan and Pakistan produce opium, with Iran being a consumer and trans-shipment route for the smuggled opiates.

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) heroin production estimates for the past 10 years show significant changes in the primary source areas.

Heroin production in Southeast Asia declined dramatically, while heroin production in Southwest Asia expanded.

In 1991, Afghanistan became the world's primary opium producer, with a yield of 1,782 metric tons (U.S. State Department estimates), surpassing Myanmar, formerly the world leader in opium production.

The decrease in heroin production from Myanmar is the result of several years of unfavorable growing conditions and new government policies of forced eradication

Afghan heroin production increased during the same time frame, with a notable decrease in 2001 allegedly as a result of the Taliban's fatwa against heroin production.

Afghanistan now produces over 90% of the world's opium.

In addition to opiates, Afghanistan is also the world's largest producer of hashish.

Interesting, is it not, that the U.N.O.D.C. knows 90% of the worlds opium comes from this area?

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Quote from : United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) is a United Nations agency that was established in 1997 as the Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention by combining the United Nations International Drug Control Programme (UNDCP) and the Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice Division in the United Nations Office at Vienna.

It was renamed the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime in 2002.

So, was Michael Steele trying to politically assassinate Obama, or tie him to the drugs?

Or is he perhaps a puppet by someone with an agenda against or for Obama?

He could just be the idiot you referenced him as but knowing D.C. the way I do, I doubt it.

Obama needs to be impeached. Period. If this was Bush it wouldve been done months ago. Bill Clinton... well just take a look at why he was removed.

Obama has done nothing but lie to the American people since he was sworn into office. He has done nothing to fix the oil spill. The only thing he's done was try to make it worse by banning drilling. Now he wants to open our borders and let anyone wander the streets? And now this.

What ever happened to bringing our troops home mr president? 3 years later we have more troops overseas than we did with Bush.

What is it going to take for this man to be removed from office? How many people still see him as the second coming of christ just because he's a black man? I wonder.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AndrewJay]

Originally posted by AndrewJay
Obama needs to be impeached. Period. If this was Bush it wouldve been done months ago. Bill Clinton... well just take a look at why he was removed.

Obama has done nothing but lie to the American people since he was sworn into office. He has done nothing to fix the oil spill. The only thing he's done was try to make it worse by banning drilling. Now he wants to open our borders and let anyone wander the streets? And now this.

What ever happened to bringing our troops home mr president? 3 years later we have more troops overseas than we did with Bush.

What is it going to take for this man to be removed from office? How many people still see him as the second coming of christ just because he's a black man? I wonder.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AndrewJay]

Ya Bill got some Scully and tried to hid it, much worse than creating a lie that has killed all sorts of people and cost a Trillion plus dollars.

Bush would have been impeached months ago,,, thats some funny stuff right there.

I see you and Glacxo Pucipus play with the same deck of cards BTW.