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Democratic Socialists of America say Obama is definitely NOT a Socialist

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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Is Obama really a socialist? Some say so, but where's the evidence?




Socialism suggests getting rid of capitalism altogether," says Dr. Rachleff. "Mr. Obama is not within a million miles of an ideology like that."

For what it's worth, socialists deny that Obama is one of them – and even seem a bit insulted by the suggestion.

"I have been making a living telling people Obama is not a socialist," says Frank Llewellyn, national director of the Democratic Socialists of America.

"It's frustrating to see people using our brand to criticize programs that have nothing to do with our brand and are not even working." Adds Billy Wharton,co-chair of the Socialist Party USA:

"I am not even sure he's a liberal. I call him a hedge fund Democrat."


news.yahoo.com...

Someone better give Beck a call.



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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Obama is more of a fascist corporatist....


Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty.


....Chicago style



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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Right, while you are trying to get in touch with Beck on your latest finds, you might also want to mention that those individuals that Obama seeks the advice of and his close associates are also not socialists.





"Power of Persuasion, or we use the Persuasion of Power" -Andy Stern



"SEIU's agenda is my agenda" -Obumbus



"Help you organize in a way to build more POWER" -Obumbus




Sometimes pictures or videos in this case would help compile more evidence for you to present to Beck and those who continue to believe that Obumbus is a socialist and so is his administration & friends.








[edit on 2-7-2010 by prionace glauca]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by wutone
reply to post by David9176
 


Obama is more of a fascist corporatist....


Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty.


....Chicago style


There is absolutely no such thing as fascist corporatism.

Corporatism belongs to capitalism and fascism is imperial socialism.

Why mix bannas with apples?
Socialism implies a mixture of capitalism and communism, in other words government running the private sector. The private sector includes corporatism because corporatism is a primary sub-divivsion of capitalism.

There are three primary economic systems:

1)Capitalism(right wing)
2)Socialism(centrism)
3)Communism(left wing)

DO PEOPLE GET IT NOW? In this global corporate capitalist enviroment big powerful corporations run the show. It is what WTO(World Trade Organisation) is all about!



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Obama is a liberal, which means a moderate capitalist. Conservatives are extreme capitalists. Calling obama a socialist is way off the mark and nothing short of ignorant propaganda. Even if he was a socialist, he would not survive for long because america is not venezuela or cuba. The rockefellers, vanderbilts and duponts would NEVER allow it.........

Get a clue!!!!



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Get a Clue yourself ! Have you not seen how desperate this administration under your "Dear Leader" is trying to incorporate those very styles. Just look at GM, Fannie & Freddie already own ~70% of the US mortgages, with the HCR Gov now owns Hospitals/Medicine pushing private practices/hospitals out, Student loans under gov control, & coming soon Energy.

So I would advise you to get a clue or I can sell you some just like those carbon credits which Fannie has a exclusive rights to sell.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Get a Clue yourself ! Have you not seen how desperate this administration under your "Dear Leader" is trying to incorporate those very styles. Just look at GM, Fannie & Freddie already own ~70% of the US mortgages, with the HCR Gov now owns Hospitals/Medicine pushing private practices/hospitals out, Student loans under gov control, & coming soon Energy.

So I would advise you to get a clue or I can sell you some just like those carbon credits which Fannie has a exclusive rights to sell.


I will apologise for being somewhat rude but you are wrong assuming he is my leader. I did not vote for him but I did morally support him as a logical alternative to mcain and palin. Sometimes you have support the lesser of two evils.

I reallly cannot understand why people remain so pathetically confused. Fannie/Mae and GM were temporarily taken over so they would not go under. The key word is *temporary* and not permanent!

As for public hospitals where on gods green earth do you see that? HMOs are private! If you were talking about that half-ass healthcare bill all I will tell you is that real socialist countries are still laughing at it because it was watered down significantly. Private health insurance, private doctors and private pharmaceutical companies will NEVER ALLOW anything to become public because it would mean their death.

Capitalism revolves around profit so why do you think it would be easy for america to change everything overnight and without a fight? I live in europe and I can tell you A LOT OF THINGS THAT USED TO BE PUBLIC have been sold to wealthy investors under the guise of economic reform.

Privatising everything that should be public is a con-job for the ignorant sheep to swallow. I want no part of it but at the same time I cant change the system alone. It takes a group effort of knowledgable citizens but most people swallow everything hook, line and sinker thanks to mainstream media kissing the PTB's ass.


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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

As for private hospitals where on gods green earth do you see that? HMOs are private! If you were talking about that half-ass healthcare bill all I will tell you is that real socialist countries are still laughing at it because it was watered down significantly. Private health insurance, private doctors and private pharmaceutical companies will NEVER ALLOW anything to become public because it would mean their death.


Lets see how many threads were started about what you seemed to be uninformed on.

Keywords: HCR and Private Hospitals


It shows 2 threads that talked about this exclusively. So not wanting to take this thread off of the socialist theme. I would suggest for you to visit those those threads to inform yourself.












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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Once again socialists redefine the term to suit thier agenda and then claim the socialist are not socialist... Sigh!


www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Everyone knows we can go get a skinhead to tell us all about how Hitler wasnt an evil SOB, right?

Or all those NAMBLA folks who will claim they arent pervs?

That sort of endorsement isnt exactly good.

Besides, it's not like being called a "hedge fund Democrat" is a good thing.

So Beck's interpretation of Obama and his administration doesnt match the opinion the Democratic Socialist of America has. What is that worth?



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by wutone
reply to post by David9176
 


Obama is more of a fascist corporatist....


Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty.


....Chicago style


Agreed... as are most of our last few Presidents....Bush The First, Clinton, GW Bush and Now Obama.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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Funny, I did a thread a few months ago on this same topic.

Ask the card-carrying socialists: Is Obama one of them?



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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When one third of federal taxes go to pay "our national" debt and the other third is uncollectable thanks to IRS loop holes tailor made to suit the wealthy, then what kind of government efficiency are we talking about?



The federal government ITSELF is a private delaware corporation, as is the IRS and Federal Reserve. Why has everything soverieign become a corporate entity???


USA details:

File Number: 2193946 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 04/19/1989
(mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: NON-PROFIT OR RELIGIOUS
Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE




IRS details:

0325720 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 07/12/1933
(mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: INTERNAL REVENUE TAX AND AUDIT SERVICE, INC.
Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: GENERAL
Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE




Federal Reserve details:

0042817 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 09/03/1914
(mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: FEDERAL RESERVE ASSOCIATION
Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: NON-PROFIT OR RELIGIOUS
Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE


If we had socialism things would be different!

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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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One of the great indications that Obama is a socialist would be the fact that liberals, marxists and socialists and others who love to spend other peoples money are constantly issuing posts telling the rest of us that he is not a socialist. Hitler was not a murderer of jews, Islam is a religion of peace, higher taxes are good for business and the oil companies are evil, unless we need some gass for our "prius" so we can go on a date with susie sugarpants to see cheryl crow. Right. I get it. Here's the question. Do you actually beleive that someone who knows better is going to say "oh really, well I guess if enough teenagers who don't actually understand socialism, marxism, american history, the economy, and why someone has to ultimately pay for free government cheese say so, then he must not be. Gee, thanks for that.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Obama is not a classical socialist veering toward the communist end of the spectrum, but rather he is a statist or perhaps better said a corporatist fascist. In the end I think the "fascist" descriptor may be the one that sticks.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by astrogolf
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Hitler was not a murderer of jews,


And capitalist bush is a muslim mass murder by the same analogy. Trying to discredit an entire system just by one example is a classic strawman arguement!

Its funny you focus on jews to make your case. The same jews who control and manipulate rare commodities, banking, political sytems all to their advantage.

Perhaps hitler was not as crazy as most suspect although that does not give anyone the right to kill people. The holocaust was the only mistake hitler made because europeans have always been imperialists and germany was no exception. He actually had the nerve to conquer europe rather than third world ubangi nations.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Perhaps hitler was not as crazy as most suspect although that does not give anyone the right to kill people. The holocaust was the only mistake hitler made because europeans have always been imperialists and germany was no exception. He actually had the nerve to conquer europe rather than third world ubangi nations.




Gas chambers, exterminations, burning humans alive was his only Mistake?

Not only was Hitler a psychopath, I now see who else is one also.






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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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What part of "the holocaust was hitler's only mistake" do you not understand? Taking things out of context and sensationalising them tells me you don't know much about history other than what your fourth grade school teacher told you.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by prionace glauca
 


What part of "the holocaust was hitler's only mistake" do you not understand? Taking things out of context and sensationalising them tells me you don't know much about history other than what your fourth grade school teacher told you.


Oh that is right, he just woke up one day and made that stupid mistake. It didn't take years of planing or anything. They just built all of those tools of extermination in just one day.

Hitler was a psychopath and everything he did took meticulous planning & calculations.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by astrogolf
.... liberals, marxists and socialists and others who love to spend other peoples money


Yeah, that big Medicare D giveaway to big pharma kinda made the GOP look like big liberal, socialist, marxists. Big money to big pharma, but make it look like they really did it for the "small people". And big privatizing big wars, all done for the "small people."

Someone told me once that Republicans spend as much as Democrats, just on different things.



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