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Inside the mind of a schizophrenic

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posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Check your U2U Newly...




posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Now i am curious.... U2U me too please!



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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thank you, OP, for this thread.

not long ago, i took an online test for personality disorder. the results of this test i posted as my avatar because it so keenly illustrates the person that i have become.

i am not concerned about my psychosis. well, most of the time anyway. above all, i have come to truly prize my own unique if not troubling perspective. my family is all but used to it. i have become what can only be referred to as "functionally insane".

not that i so much like talking about myself. but i wanted to reassure you that i think you also should embrace this thing.

and reading your story also helped me to pin down some of the behaviors i have been going through. such as: i am constantly in CRISIS mode. even when nothing really seems to be going wrong at all, my mind always seems to figure out how to get me into a crisis. but, like you, i have stopped taking it so seriously.

hahaha. fun times.


here is a link for that online test:
www.4degreez.com...



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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Guys, this stuff is mostly genetic. We have propensities to be both brilliant and psychotic. It has to do with an overdrive of dopamine, norepinephrine, and sometimes serotonin as well. Don't look to psychiatry, psychology, or philosophy to explain it. Look to biochemistry.

It seems the majority of people with various personality disorders and serious psychological disorders have single-nucleotide polymorphisms of the methyl-cycle. You can get tested for this and treated properly. There's a brand new expensive way to get tested called methyl-cycle nutrigenomics, or you can get lab tests done by your local labcorp and have them analyzed by an alternative clinic.

Most people who have psychotic conditions have low histamine values that is usually a result of a mutation of COMT or another gene associated with the methyl cycle. Histamine in the brain acts like a brake for other neurotransmitters. Low levels means high levels of norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin.




Other people have a condition called pyroluria, which is a type of porphyria. It's thought to have genetic underlinings, but probably has an environmental component as well. Pyroluria will cause elevated copper, which can lead into low histamine levels, so can trigger the above situation. It also lowers serotonin, so if you happen to have both, you can be in for a really bad time. I know, have both conditions without treatment.

You can also have the reverse and show up with high levels of histamine. This will cause low levels of all neurotransmitters, and this can cause psychosis as well. Most people fall in between, and have normal levels.

You can find a lot of information online about these conditions.

Here is some searches you could try:

Low histamine psychosis or histapenia

High histamine psychosis or histadelia

Pyroluria or kryptopyroluria

COMT methyl cycle psychosis


Here is a couple of links to places where you can test:

PyroluriaTesting

MethylCycleNutrigenomicsTesting


I would personally suggest getting the basic whole blood histamine and pyrolluria test if you're on a budget. If you have the $$$ to spend, definitely go for the more comprehensive testing of the methyl cycle. They will tell you exactly which genes are mutated and what you should do to balance this in vitamin supplementation and diet protocol. NO PHARMACEUTICALS NECESSARY !!

Oh, one last note. It's not that you find the need for anxiety so these obsessions with fear hit you, it's that your brain is triggering these abnormal firings of excess neurotransmitters, and this state causes you to find an external reason. You seek out the fear to find purpose to the state of mind that already exists within you. Remember, we see the world as we are. This means the fear we seek to see in this world first stems inside of us. We must know what it is that's causing this, and the fear, and resulting obsessions with external doom subsides.

Try to REALLY notice which comes first, the feeling or the thoughts and seeking of doom/external fears. I bet it's the actual state of mind which comes first. The anxiety hits, then we get caught in a loop to rationalize it. This results in more fear. This is madness/psychosis. Welcome to ATS



***Note*** If you are already on pharmaceuticals please do NOT go off your meds, and notify professionals before planning on adding anything to your protocol. I am not a professional and this my personal opinion from personal experience only.

***Note to Mods*** I have no connection to either source linked, and am not in any way selling anything. This is just a friendly guide to those in need.







[edit on 4-7-2010 by unityemissions]



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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It makes sense that therapy in the traditional sense wouldn't help because this is an issue you need to tackle on you own. No person can help you, only you can help yourself. I know you may see me as ignorant for denying a medical syndrome, but don't use that as a crutch to further your ailment. I know what you are experiencing is real because it is actually happening to you, but you are the god of your realm (your brain) it is the only thing you can have absolute control over. It takes hard work and devotion, but it is attainable. First off, you have to stop living in your .. Use outside stimuli as a distraction. This will show you that you can ignore your inner dialogue. When this is realized, you can then begin to quiet your mind. This was tricky for me at first and I even felt a "burning" sensation every time I tried to completely stopped all inner dialogue and inner noise. I couldn't keep this cleared mind long because of the sensation. It wasn't pain, I would just start thinking about the sensation and thus my mind was no longer clear. Now i am able to clear my mind when ever i wish for as long as I wish. If I have a neurotic thought I just clear my mind and let it go. If you begin to control your own thoughts, then you can let go what you wish to. All the fearful thought will still come but they will go just as easily. I would advise to learn to clear your mind and see where it takes you. And just remember it is you who control your thoughts, NOT your thoughts that control you.

_MT_



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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I think being productive can help people who are overly active in the mind put good things in your . to take up space if you dont have alot of them think about the little things and eventually find good things.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
I think I am .ing toward schizophrenia. I have it in my family history, and I am at the right age for it, and I've had some delusions recently, and some startling realizations to this effect. So keep reading; this is your chance to peek into the mind of someone who's descending into madness.

Welcome to the club. Boy, did you ever come to the right forum — ATS is chock-full of schizophrenics and those way beyond the threshold of what is traditionally considered "madness"... I'm a classic case-in-point.

But the problem isn't schizophrenia... Some of the greatest minds in human history were decidedly schizo, if not deeply, deeply psychotic. The real problem is The Powers That Be who decide what is and is not "insane" and what is acceptable for society.

I mean, hell, if you brought people from just 50 years ago to our present-day world, they would instantly conclude that the entire world had descended into madness.

It's just a matter of opinion, a matter of consensus.

So, get over the guilt and worry of losing your mind. Your mind is perfectly okay from my perspective.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

I mean, hell, if you brought people from just 50 years ago to our present-day world, they would instantly conclude that the entire world had descended into madness.

It's just a matter of opinion, a matter of consensus.


I'm not so sure that madness is merely an opinion of consensus. I'm only 27, but have clearly seen the age of decadence descend on the U.S. in the last decade or so. There are clear rises in personality disorders, and serious mental health issues in this time period.

I think it's quite obvious that the world is in a state of insanity/madness. You don't have to have lived the last 50 years to realize this. When people use the rationalization that evil or psychosis is just a matter of opinion
, you know there's serious problems already taking hold all around.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
I'm not so sure that madness is merely an opinion of consensus. I'm only 27, but have clearly seen the age of decadence descend on the U.S. in the last decade or so. There are clear rises in personality disorders, and serious mental health issues in this time period.

I'm 50, and I can pretty well assure you that it started in the 1950s and 1960s, as communists and socialists and every other kind of anti-American scum deeply infiltrated our halls of higher education and started indoctrinating the youth of America into vicious, cynical, America-hating drones.

Ever since those indoctrinated students entered the professional and educational and political world in the 1970s, the quality of education in this country has plummeted, and a climate of seething anti-Americanism has replaced our high expectations of academic excellence.

The decline of America started with the formation of the Welfare State under FDR, and it accelerated through the 50s, 60s and 70s as the youth of America were indoctrinated away from personal excellence. We can now see the results — a dumbed-down nation with its hand out for government freebies, parroting dumbed-down political rhetoric, as our productivity declines and the nanny-state government expands to accommodate these brain-damaged, self-hating zombies.

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 7/19/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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There are two reasons I think psychiatric disease is worse in the last 40 years, the first being that it was under-reported because the Science was so poorly developed, and treatment was much rarer. The second reason might well be the result of all the steroids and growth hormone in our food chain, as well as the heavy metals, PCBs, lead, and other contaminates in our water. If we really knew what was in the beef, pork, and chicken feeds, we would be stunned. Let's just look at steroids as an example...exogenous (taken externally) steroids cause the brain to release Cortisol into our system. It is more or less a "stress hormone". It cascades throughout our brains causing all kinds of chain reactions. It also increases the appetite (look at all the obesity), overloads the Adrenal glands, and overloads Histamine into our systems, as UnityEmissions said. Diabetes has increased exponentially in our Society, and some Scientists, particularly Neuroendocrinologists, see a possible link between Diabetes and Depression. These stress hormones are also related to sleep problems from the over-release of Adrenalin in to our system from what is basically a fight/flight response. As Unity also said, by this time there are significant irregularities in other neurotransmitters such as Dopamine, Norepinepherine, Serotonin, et. al. I don't think anyone can fix these things with mind power alone. Add the behaviorial aspects of mental illness, and you have a true tangled web. I see it as chicken AND the egg.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Doc, I think you and I would get along in political discussions.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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I can think of a third and more likely reason for the increase in mental frailty these days... Look at the human population of Earth — in just over 100 years, the total human population of this planet LEAPED from about 900 million to well over 6 BILLION, thanks for the most part to "medical advances" such as immunization and antibiotics.

Yeah, we inoculated ourselves, which permitted more and more human beings to survive periodic outbreaks of killer disease. Only problem is, disease is SUPPOSED to wipe out the weaker members of the herd on a regular basis, allowing the strongest members to carry on.

So, instead of making us a stronger species, we have accomplished just the opposite — we have enabled the weakest members of our species to not only survive but to continue breeding, which has resulted in a proliferation of inferior specimens worldwide.

I dare say the weak are inheriting the Earth.

This means physically weaker and mentally weaker, as well. We're killing ourselves with medical fixes that only temporarily defy natural selection, and our population is almost completely dependent on Science now to "save us" from the occasional pandemic.

What we should do is SHUT DOWN our medical research and application for, oh, about 5 years and permit the burgeoning, inferior mass of humanity to DIE OFF.

This would not only restore the natural balance, giving the strongest members of our species a fighting chance, but it would simultaneously solve most of the world's problems from war and famine to global pollution and diminishing resources.

(whistling a happy tune)


— Doc Velocity





[edit on 7/19/2010 by Doc Velocity]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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What we, as modern humans who know about atoms and galaxies and everything that exists between the two, battle is that what we believe and what we know to be true are incompatible with one another. Completely incompatible.

We believe that everything that exists is the direct result of forces (either God or energy) that required no existential genesis, and yet we know enough to unconsciously realize that this assertion is literally impossible. We even rail against the suggestion that physical existence can't simply always exist, but deep within us, we do know that an infinite always - running forever in both directions from the now that we inhabit - is a logical fallacy.

As a person begins to become aware enough to question the basic narratives, the incompatibilities that sit beneath them start rumbling deep within the psyche - almost always unnoticed, while steadily picking at the stability of that psychological platform that these incompatibilities have built over the years. The result is an sense of angst and a need to find something to latch onto for raw support. Politics, religion, conspiracy theories, booze or drugs, whatever it takes to ease the turmoil that is being caused by the mind's realization (well below the level of awareness) that the accepted tenets are simply incompatible with what the empirical evidence clearly suggests.

Two ways to deal with it.

Find an authoritarian movement (religion, spirituality, or politics) that forces the mind to reject the ambiguities, or embrace the mystery and see what you can do to solve it without creating even more inconsistencies in the process.

Or get drunk and watch the CBS summer line-up. Flashpoint is pretty good. Friday nights - 9 PM. Good gun play sometimes, but not gratuitous.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:39 AM
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Christ....you're real breath of fresh air, aren't you.

Waking up in the morning with such a brutal view must be exhausting.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
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Yeah, we inoculated ourselves, which permitted more and more human beings to survive periodic outbreaks of killer disease. Only problem is, disease is SUPPOSED to wipe out the weaker members of the herd on a regular basis, allowing the strongest members to carry on.

So, instead of making us a stronger species, we have accomplished just the opposite — we have enabled the weakest members of our species to not only survive but to continue breeding, which has resulted in a proliferation of inferior specimens worldwide.

I dare say the weak are inheriting the Earth.

This means physically weaker and mentally weaker, as well. We're killing ourselves with medical fixes that only temporarily defy natural selection, and our population is almost completely dependent on Science now to "save us" from the occasional pandemic.



You are aware that this exactly was the argument behind nazism, aren't you? The total erradication of jews, homosexuals, schizophrenics, etc. in Nazi Germany was laid on this logic.

The logical conclusion to what you've just posted, is that in order to become a stronger species again, all the weaklings should be eliminated from the gene pool.

Who will determine what is weakness and who should be wiped out?

To the OP:

Have you tried any drugs to alleviate you GAD (Generalized Anxiety Disorder)? I once was almost crippled by my feelings of fear and anxiety, to the point in which I thought I was going mad.

You have no idea how far a good diagnose and med prescription can take you. You should really consider making an appointment with a psychiatrist if you haven't already. Trust someone who's also been there -and out.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:17 PM
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I too believe that spending so much time in deep thought can lead to an unraveling of the mind.

Topics such as truth, objective existence and moral law, physics, prophecy, etc. are good and fine to examine, but don't fall into the chasm they can create.
If you feel yourself slipping, stop and turn your attention to LIFE; as in, the physical world of friends, animals, sunsets, food, beer, etc.
Go swimming, hiking, have a BBQ, adopt a dog, etc.

Life is meant to be enjoyed within the limits of a moral law. Enjoy your life and don't over-analyze every little aspect of existence.

The moment you see a rose as a collection of molecules made up of atoms made up of particles made up of *insert question here*........the rose ceases to be a rose and loses it's beauty.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
reply to post by deadred
 


I can think of a third and more likely reason for the increase in mental frailty these days... Look at the human population of Earth — in just over 100 years, the total human population of this planet LEAPED from about 900 million to well over 6 BILLION, thanks for the most part to "medical advances" such as immunization and antibiotics.

Yeah, we inoculated ourselves, which permitted more and more human beings to survive periodic outbreaks of killer disease. Only problem is, disease is SUPPOSED to wipe out the weaker members of the herd on a regular basis, allowing the strongest members to carry on.

So, instead of making us a stronger species, we have accomplished just the opposite — we have enabled the weakest members of our species to not only survive but to continue breeding, which has resulted in a proliferation of inferior specimens worldwide.

I dare say the weak are inheriting the Earth.

This means physically weaker and mentally weaker, as well. We're killing ourselves with medical fixes that only temporarily defy natural selection, and our population is almost completely dependent on Science now to "save us" from the occasional pandemic.

What we should do is SHUT DOWN our medical research and application for, oh, about 5 years and permit the burgeoning, inferior mass of humanity to DIE OFF.

This would not only restore the natural balance, giving the strongest members of our species a fighting chance, but it would simultaneously solve most of the world's problems from war and famine to global pollution and diminishing resources.

(whistling a happy tune)


— Doc Velocity





[edit on 7/19/2010 by Doc Velocity]


Does that include shutting down stroke related specialists?



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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You can change anytime you like. It's just a state as anything around us.
You can go deep down or high above, everything has it's ups and downs.

This with you are not normal is just a state, don't let people control you or tell you what to do, do what you think it's good. It's your own decision, and not for others to make.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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It would maybe be different if there weren't so many measurable and documented changes in the brains of Schitzophrenics found on MRI and PET scans. It is a fact that those who have severe Schitzophrenia can lose at least 5% of their cerebral cortex in less than 2-3 years, and many faster than that. The ravages of chronic Schitzophrenia on brain structure and function are REAL. If that isn't biology, I don't know what is. All Psychiatrists can do is mollify the symptoms with meds. They work, but like bi-polars, Schitzophrenics don't think they are sick, and they will not always stay on their meds. Look at their choice, be as gorked as hell or not take the meds and hallucinate your ass off. Some choice. The brain is the most complex organ in the human body, and if you can have trouble with your liver, your gallbladder, your lungs, your intestines, you can surely have trouble with your brain! It just isn't a matter of will power. John Nash refused to acknowledge his hallucinations, but they were there. What he also decided to do was stay on his medicine. It helped. This is a tragic disease.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by deadred
It is a fact that those who have severe Schitzophrenia can lose at least 5% of their cerebral cortex in less than 2-3 years, and many faster than that. The ravages of chronic Schitzophrenia on brain structure and function are REAL. If that isn't biology, I don't know what is.

Of course, don't forget that what's going on biologically in the brain is not separate from the subjective psyche but an analogue of it. As an example, the creation of dendrites, that is the growth of new neural pathways, corresponds exactly with the willful exertion of conscious effort, and this is how learning is accomplished.

What I'm trying to say is, while the biological reality is true, I don't rule out the possibility of a "psychological" solution. Changing the ideas in someone's . is the same as changing the physical makeup of their brain. Yes, the brain is deteriorating as a schizophrenic condition progresses, but what is going on in the person's mind as that happens?

As it turns out I've had several U2U conversations in response to this thread and it seems there's hope I got the jump on this thing. Most schizophrenics don't see it coming, and that difference between me and them may be my salvation. We'll see.


[edit on 20-7-2010 by NewlyAwakened]



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