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posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Qonscious
There's no way its a bug. Its a white orb that fly's across the sky at 3:42 - 3:44. You should of cut out the entire beginning part of the video, and consider putting it into slow motion. Other than that i think its an alien craft, or maybe even a "Rod".

Look at the video above which I quoted, thanks to ziggystar60. Any small object, such as a bird, bugs or seeds, reflecting light can appear to be a white orb, such as that in the video. As sad as it is to have to consider a mundane explanation, it is necessary if you want to deny ignorance. Until the other footage which supposedly caught this object (which some have said was a hoax), it is impossible to rule out something close to the camera.

Since this went to the top of the next page, look at the video on the previous page.

[edit on 4/7/10 by Curious and Concerned]

posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 07:20 PM
Here is my very rough attempt to measure the speed of the object since nobody else has tried to do it themselves.

I first want to state that there are many things which will make this rough estimate slightly off, but not by much. This will get us in the ballpark.

Here are a list of things that could make my final estimate slightly incorrect;

- Since we don't know the actual size of the object, we can just do calculations for ALL sizes.

- Because of motion blur, we can't measure the actual size of the object without error. So instead, I will just be measuring the motion blur too. I'm not sure exactly how this effects the final estimate since we are calculating for ALL sizes.

- I think the object is traveling slightly away from the camera because it appears to get smaller as it moves to the left (laws of perspective). However others think the object is traveling perpendicular to the cameras direction. For simplicity, I will only be measuring it as if it were traveling perpendicular to the cameras direction. This means if you think the object is traveling away from the camera slightly (like me), then the actual speed of the object would be FASTER than my final estimate. To reduce the amount of error, I will be measuring a very small distance to minimize the effect perspective has on this measurement.

So, here is the measurements I took from two screen shots taken 15 milliseconds apart;

From this we can see the object traveled it's own length (L) multiplied by 10, and it did it in 15 milliseconds.

Now we just replace the length (L) with the size we think the object might be. For example, if you think it is a bird than you replace (L) with the average size of the type of bird you think it is. If you think the object is an insect, then you replace (L) with the average size of the type of insect you think it is. If you think it is a space craft that is 30 feet in length, then replace (L) with that length...

So here are some calculations;

If (L) is 0.5 inches, then the object traveled 5 inches in 15 milliseconds. That is 18 MPH.

If (L) is 1 inch, then the object traveled 10 inches in 15 milliseconds. That is 37.84 MPH.

If (L) is 12 inches, then the object traveled 120 inches in 15 milliseconds. That is 454.54 MPH

If (L) is 30 feet, then the object traveld 300 feet in 15 milliseconds. That is 13,636.36 MPH.

My conclusion;

From experience, I can clearly see the object is SMALL. I believe it may be around 0.5 inches, and is very close to the camera. This means it is only traveling around 18 MPH, and that is just about the right size and speed for a few INSECTS that live in that area.

Also, I think because of the wind, some insects may be able to fly slightly faster than their average. In the video you can see the wind is blowing right to left by looking that one of the bushes move.

Also, I believe the reason there was no eye witnesses (only a camera witness) is because it didn't pass in front of the witnesses view, only the cameras view. This to me is evidence that the object is small and close to the camera.

I think any claims that someone caught this same object on camera from a different perspective are incorrect. I believe they just filmed a similar event (insect crossing their camera) because that is COMMON.

I don't think its a bird or a space craft because the position, size, and speed just doesn't look how it should if that was the case.

[edit on 4-7-2010 by eennoo]

posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 09:29 PM

[edit on 4 -7 -2010 by British Petroleum]

posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 10:33 PM

Congratulations for a well thought out and detailed post, star for you. If only more people were as willing to consider all options, including the mundane ones. If there were other footage which showed a similiar object along a similiar trajectory from a different angle, I would consider the alleged 30 foot object from the alleged expert analysis. Without it though, I believe it is far more likely to be something close to the camera.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 12:34 AM

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
It is clearly a bird. You can see the wings flapping if you watch in slow motion - or frame by frame. It is so obviously a bird, I cant even believe the people uploaded this claiming UFO.

I will try and get some screen captures up.

ETA: Grabbing screen shots probably wont help. As the object is so tiny. You just have to hit puase many times and watch frame by frame starting around 4:00. If you do this, you can see the wings flapping.

[edit on July 2nd 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Agreed, you can easily see wings flapping as it goes bye. It's definitely right up close to them as well.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:02 AM

You have not read the videographers YouTube page for his own comments on the small bird/object questions. There exists a 2nd video of this object and photos from another vantage point. That is how they triangulated the size and speed. The videographer is no lightweight viewer and went to some legit sources to have the evaluation done. The resolution is too low on the YouTube page to determine what the object is, so anyone would be guessing at this. But, the Videographer is working on a video documentary of the footage that would show his stuff in high resolution. Hopefully the other video would be included too. That would at least allow for a more detailed inspection.

The quotes from the YouTube page by the Videographer:

Again, I wish it were a "small scared white bird." But another video and a photograph was shot that captured this event as well. And they were taken from a combined two miles away by other storm chasers. One that worked for KOCO﻿ channel 5 in Oklahoma City, and another freelance hobby chaser.

Its because of the other two pieces of event evidence﻿ that we were able to triangulate the object on video. That is how Skeet Vaughn and Bruce Maccabbee where able to come up with the size, distance, altitude and speed of the object.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:26 AM
I would so love to agree with the fact that it is an insect.

But, it disappeared into the clouds. Where did it go if it were a bug? It didn't merely fly off camera - before it got to the end of the window area, it just disappeared, as if it was going into the clouds. Maybe the bug just got so far away it was small? Or maybe it was a larger object? Not sure what to think, you guys should go watch the end of it's flight though and say what you think. I am inclined to think UFO on this one.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:43 AM

post by eennoo
I think any claims that someone caught this same object on camera from a different perspective are incorrect. I believe they just filmed a similar event (insect crossing their camera) because that is COMMON.

I don't think its a bird or a space craft because the position, size, and speed just doesn't look how it should if that was the case.

The key word in your post is the word "I think". You have no other video evidence to review and make a firm judgement, yet you proclaim this solved. You'd be best to review the complete evidence before pronouncing judgement.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:51 AM

If the other video evidence shows the same thing (from 2 miles away as stated by the Videographer) I'd be inclined to think it's possibly one of these explanations.

• meteor
• a natural electrical storm discharge maybe not visible to the naked eye, but reads on the camera sensor.
• UFO (well UFO means unidentified, not necessarily a spacecraft)

Just my guesses.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 01:56 AM

I used the words "I think" in order to show that it was my opinion.

My opinion is based on calculations. From what I see in the video, the object is very small and moving at normal speeds. This means there wouldn't be any other videos of this object.

So if you show me this same object from a different angle, I may reevaluate my calculations.

Until then, I will be on the side of the fence that does NOT believe this is the best UFO evidence ever in existence.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 02:20 AM
You may be right if the 2nd video evidence doesn't match up. It may even be debris and not an insect.

However, I know Videographers quite well since I work with them often. They are a very obsevant bunch because imagery is their business. I'd bet this guy has filmed insects in front of his camera before and identified it as such.

The question is why he would put his reputation at risk over a common insect/bird/debris floating by? For a few dollars to sell a Documentary? My feeling is no. I'm curious to see the second video and the photo(s) to match the event. I need to evaluate this more before I discount it as a mere insect or bird.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 02:43 AM

Originally posted by thepixelpusher
The question is why he would put his reputation at risk over a common insect/bird/debris floating by?

What reputation? Seems like he is just trying to build a reputation.

Originally posted by thepixelpusher
For a few dollars to sell a Documentary? My feeling is no.

If you watch the video again, and pause it at 8:22. You can read the following:

If you would like to order the "Object Tape", please cal 405-307-0752 to request a DVD. Cost of the tape is \$10.00 US plus shipping and handling in the United States.

He is selling DVDs.

He probably understands that he can make money off of peoples curiosity, and inability to identify objects with lack of reference of scale.

Originally posted by thepixelpusher
I'm curious to see the second video and the photo(s) to match the event. I need to evaluate this more before I discount it as a mere insect or bird.

Being "curious" to see more is exactly what triggers people to buy his DVDs.

You must ask yourself if your curiosity is your own, or a curiosity given to you by a salesman.

[edit on 5-7-2010 by eennoo]

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 03:09 AM
\$10 for the DVD media/duplication is nothing he's going to get rich from, so I don't think he's as good a saleman as you suggest. Anyway, he's not selling me. I work in Advertising and am largely immune to it's effects by now

If you read my post thoroughly you'd see that I want to cross reference the other video evidence against his to make a more fully informed decision. My personal decision may be of a natural item or not, but I need to see that second video.

Tell me you're not curious too. You know you are.

I'll add to my list of things it could be:
• An electronic artifact or anomoly created by the camera sensor or something in the camera that briefly affects the quality of the video signal or tape.

Since this video camera is from the late 90's it used videotape, and that tape traveling across the metal recording head could have had a small static discharge or electrical effect that traveled across the width of the tape. However, if another video shows that same thing from another angle, this theory would be wrong.

[edit on 5-7-2010 by thepixelpusher]

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 04:39 AM

Originally posted by spacekc929
I would so love to agree with the fact that it is an insect.

But, it disappeared into the clouds. Where did it go if it were a bug? It didn't merely fly off camera - before it got to the end of the window area, it just disappeared, as if it was going into the clouds. Maybe the bug just got so far away it was small? Or maybe it was a larger object? Not sure what to think, you guys should go watch the end of it's flight though and say what you think. I am inclined to think UFO on this one.

Have you seen the video that I quoted on the previous page? It shows similiar looking objects doing exactly the same thing as the video. I'm no video expert, but this is my take on the effect. Anything which is small going past the camera may reflect bright light, causing the camera to pick it up as a bright white blob or 'orb'. Due to a flaring effect from the brightness, it may make the blob appear to take up more pixels than it's actual size. As the object moves, and consequently changes it's angle to the camera, it reflects less and less light towards the camera, making it diminish or even disappear, as the object is too small to be picked up when not lit up. I believe this is happening in the OP's video, as the angle changes it reflects less and less light. I'm not certain of this, but it is my opinion, which I would happily change if there were other footage of this, or an actual report from any experts who analysed the aforementioned videos.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 04:45 AM
Wow, a bug flew in front of the camera! That truly is amazing!

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 05:07 AM

Eennoo.....

Thank you for your very useful & informative estimations.

I hope we see more of you in our UFO's & Aliens forum!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 05:29 AM

Can you post up this second video for us?

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 05:37 AM

Can you post up this second video for us?

I think it might be a little like the "scientific" report.....

Ummmm.....not quite able to provided at this point in time.....

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 05:41 AM
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

Well I assumed as much...

But I lost track of this thread ages ago so I thought maybe it might actually exist.

posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 07:10 AM

Originally posted by eennoo
My conclusion;

From experience, I can clearly see the object is SMALL. I believe it may be around 0.5 inches, and is very close to the camera. This means it is only traveling around 18 MPH, and that is just about the right size and speed for a few INSECTS that live in that area.

This is exactly what I've been saying that it is nothing but an insect! However, I calculated it to be closer, traveling at only 1.6 MPH!

But that's Ok, as long as we know that it IS an insect! And not an alien UFO streaking into that mess!
But then, how do you convince the so called UFOlogists? They'll go to any length to try and convince themselves and others that it is some esoteric alien craft!

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