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A nation divided will fall

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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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I have come to the reality that we are a divided nation but not in 2 ways, 4 ways maybe even more.

Liberal, Conserative, Religious and non Religious. There realy is no middle of the road with these.

You will find that you fit into 2 of those 4 groupings.

The truth is that we have always had these divisions as a nation and like you and your friend you have choses to agree to disagree.

What our problem is as a whole is that some want total Government regulation of our lives and others want less.

How would you define freedom?

There is a diffrence between freedom and anachary. True freedom can be attained with the rule of law not subjected to the majority whims and a limited Government Both on a state and federal level.

Lets face it the more laws they pass that create victimless crimes the more it will cost us all. I think ones of the major problems we have today is the bluring of the lines between what is moraly right and moraly wrong.

There is no quick fix or reset button to save this republic and we will all never agree.

However the last time we were in this position only 3-5% stood up and with the support of about 27% we put aside our personal issues and out of that we shruged off tyranny and became free! Our Constitution was not perfect but it was a great start. With all the power of the Government coming from the consent to be governed our nation lasted 70 years before a major division of the people. The Civil war was a direct result of Government lossing the consent of the people to be Governed.
That war lasted about 5 years and the nation has yet to fully recover. 48 years after the end of the war we got hit hard by the federal reserve banking act. Once Congress and the President signed that into law the Bankers took over and the Republic was lost.

The Judicial branch is now the only one that could really fix this since Coining money and regulating its value is one of Congress' main jobs. Congress has been in contempt of the constitution since 1913.

Therefore all we the people have is a Soft Tyranny now and just like Nazi Germany, Socialist Russia, and Communist China, America Finds itself straying away from freedom just to trade it for the illusion of security.

Thanks to the varity and amount of entertainment we have here in America the vast majority are unawear of what freedom and liberties have been legeslated away.

We will not have any revolution or renasance until the majority of the peoples comfort zones are infringed upon.

That is comming very soon.

We all need to better educate ourselves on what our history is and learn from then mistakes that were made. We need to realize that whether you choose to beleive that there is a God or not the rights we have as free humanbeins can not be taken away by any man. Those right were outlined in the US bill of rights.

I suggest you learn it.

It does appear that this nation will soon self destruct since we the people have failed in our civic duties thus far to keep Government in Check.




The Bill of Rights: A Transcription

The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.



Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.




Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.




Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.




No man or law can remove these rights doing so would violate their oath of office.



“I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”




posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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Our founders gave us the way to fix the nation should it fail as a republic.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


[edit on 1-7-2010 by SWCCFAN]



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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I took that same oath. I swore to protect the same ideals and guidelines that this great document outlines for every man, woman and child as free citizens of these United States.

As to the Preamble, I think we are currently in the midst of what you did not bold. We are currently sitting directly in the midst of the prudent area by which forceful removal of the current government is not yet an option. We sit by and suffer the pains of evil for what we hope to be the greater good and voice our outrage or disapproval in peaceful protest and assembly, as guaranteed by this document.

We are not yet Despot, but we are closing.

I also agree that when the day comes for the changing of the guard, there will be more bystanders than activists and the mighty few will be gleened as terrorists by the brainwashed many. Those that stand by and watch this nation plunge into anarchy are those same that give a little freedom in exchange for a little security and fail to realize as ben Franklin did, that they deserve neither.

Thank you for this reminder. I would rather see this posted on a lightpole than this weekends yard sale ad. Certainly would it be a more welcome flyer than some no name band flyer under my wiper blades.

S&F for your service and reminder.



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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I like how Eminem says it, "...Divided states of embarrassment..." in his song, White America.

Line numero 2.



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 11:51 PM
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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


You are correct currently we are here. However if you look at the root cause of the American Revolution you will find it was over the crowns control of the currency and the ever increasing taxation. Now that alone was not enough to have a violent revolution in itself. The abuses continued to build until the point where Americans were killing British and vice versa, that led to the British to seize arms and deny the people the means to defend themselves. We are almost to that point once again.

The US Supreme court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is a universal right here in America. DO NOT confuse the right to bear arms with the state mandated privilege to carry arms.

That's a whole other discussion.

Congress, The President, and the Supreme Court are all currently in Contempt of the Constitution. They have all allowed the continued violation of Article 1 section 8 : part of which states "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures" They have given up this duty to the bankers under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Congress does not have the Authority to delegate and outsource their job and duty. For it to be legal they would have to have it amended to do so and that would take 2/3 of the states.

Some will argue since it has been in practice since 1913 its legal, Show me the part that Congress has that authority.

Its not the Commerce clause either that's why its separate.

So I think we need to change of method of attack and use the constitution to fight fire with fire. The issue is How?

Petitions do not work, there is no method to answer a demand of redress and the courts will not listen to we the people.

The only answer I have is to go back to the roots and get the states to file suit against Congress and demand they do their job.

Nothing thus far has worked in history besides violence to remove tyrants why should this time be any different?



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:02 AM
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Nothing thus far has worked in history besides violence to remove tyrants why should this time be any different?



Sadly, this is the heart of truth in this matter. I hate that our state of affairs and government are going to lead us down a road not too different from that road walked recently in Greece.

You are correct in saying that our government does not listen to we the people. They perch high on their pedestals and look down over the shoulders of their enforcers and thumb their noses at the masses.

Peaceful protest has changed nothing.
Millions of letters and petitions have had no influence.
Outcries across print, air and the net have done nothing.

This government sees itself as an untouchable entity, riding high on their ego, making false promises and in the dark underbelly of their own secret society they make backalley trades of our freedoms and rights for their own temporary prosperity and illusion of power.

The only thing that has not been successful is to convince people at large to vote away from the mainstream 2-party system and bring a new voice to the round table. The states are all sellouts, their leaders lapping at the scraps and morsels of the great overseers. Until the leaders of the states change their ways and take the true voice of the people to the great houses of ill-repute, we the people will either suffer in deafening silence or rise up and unite against our common enemy.

I will be saddened when that day comes. Mostly, because I will be one of the few that has to wade through the crowds of sheep who will see me as a traitor, terrorist, militant oppressor of government, destroyer, perhaps even murderer. It will be sad indeed to see that day.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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I guess this topic might Die like the republic.

Any sugestions ATS?



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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We have the "haves" and "the have nots" in the USA. The middle class is dead. Those with jobs won't change and continue to be consumer livestock while the rest of the American citizens suffer.

Corporations are the enemy of the state. Corporate fascists are found throughout history, we just have entertainment distracting us here in the empire.

We will remain divided until we stand together. Talib Kweli said it well "If one of us ain't free then we all to blame"



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 10:08 PM
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Any suggestions? Yes. Split up.


Divided we are. On so many lines it's almost getting hard to keep track of. And the divisiveness and dumbing down were intentional. Intelligent people would have resisted this, would have questioned and simply laughed at or ignored the fringe wingers who helped to this to us, would have denied the ignorance or ignored the people who told us our schools and kids weren't good enough, those who propagated racial tensions and lies, shouted the loudest, evangelicized. They would have risen above it. Instead the majority fell into all the traps. Instead we in-fight about the stupidest things, can't agree on a thing, fear speaking our minds, and distrust.

And this is what we get. Is it too late? Probably. The U.S. was a failed experiment. We were given a good foundation, but we blew it. The lucky thing is that it's a big geography. Maybe we can agree on how to divide it up.

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posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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With posts like this, it only makes sense that threads like this might die with very little interest. Its sad, truly.



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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You are correct there. Our indoctrination centers 'aka schools' have successfully dumbed down the majority of the people. We can also place some blame on the media, and entertainment industries, but we are the reason we are having these problems today.

Americans need to be more like Spartans!

MOLON LABE!



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