Just to add a bit more to the conversation that I had with her.

Q: Is there a strong military presence that she see's?
A: No.

Q: I'm reading everywhere that there are strong fumes, and even reports that people are getting sick. Do you smell anything that would could be labeled as bad air?
A: Occasionally. She felt that depending on the wind direction, is really when she could smell the fumes. She did say that her husband has not experienced headaches, or getting sick as of this point.

Q: I asked her when her husband comes home, does he typically talk a lot on what he is seeing out there?

A: She said, no. (Obviously, I didn't feel comfortable with asking why)

I really have to get to my point. I'm the in trucking industry. The company that I was speaking with had approximately 75 tractors. The reason why I even went into the conversation with her is because of her expertise within the industry. She said that nobody seems to realize how this is going to impact everything in our Nation. So for those of you that are spilling "You do not care"....hopefully you get your head out of your BS and realize that IT WILL impact your family and mine!

I'm truly appalled...disgusted...with some of your posts. Go to your Doctor and ask for a prescription for being delusional, and your apathy and disregard to the situation.

But I forgive you. God Bless.

I'd post a reply, but I don't care enough about the OP. Oh, wait ....

Given ANY situation they don't agree with, there are actually VERY few people that will do ANYTHING about any situation going badly, even if it affects them directly. In many areas of the world, we'd have seen rioting in the streets by now from residents affected by this oil spill. In the USA, it's just a case of "oh well, there's nothing I can do other than apply ot BP for my cheque and suck it up".

We don't have a lot (ANY?) BP stations in my home town, so boycotting them isn't that hard. However, if you were truly to put your money where your mouth was you'd start doing something stronger than a boycott - maybe joining Greenpeace and setting out in one of their protests against offshore drilling?

Americans and people in the Western World in general have become complacent sheep who think that anything they do against any given situation won't be worth it, so why bother.

Originally posted by Tha Girl They Call Roc
I feel so insignificant, and there's nothing I can do about it.

Most people that spend all day crying about this oil leak feel the same as you do.

If only we could collect all your tears boo-hoo-ing over a few dead birdies we could dump it in the Gulf and have a real impact!

How many threads across the net have been created to invoke sympathy for the rig workers that died on the Deep Water Horizon?

Point is, this oil disaster will be cleaned up, no one will die and life will go on! THAT IS WHY NO-ONE CARES! Why don't you realize this too? Its been more than 2 months since this happened...When exactly is everyone going to die from this? Why are the beaches surrounding the Gulf not littered with the carcases of millions of sea creatures?

You need to be asking yourself these and other questions before assuming that you are the only compassionate Human Being left on the planet...




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I can do you one better than that. I live in MS. When I bring up the subject of what is going on in the Gulf, recent news, changes...anything...I get people just shrugging it off.
Pathetic.

This is by design. The sheeple are being bought up to believe that the news is "boring", that financial markets and banking is "complicated" and that politics is "boring AND complicated", and that current events, finance, and politics should all be ignored as they're "not cool".

They're far more interested in who won the Stanley Cup, Super Bowl, NBA Championship, American Idol, Survivor, or "The Bacherlorette" or who their favorite celebrities are banging this week, or which new iPhone they can go out an buy this week.

People will know all the words to the latest rap song or top 40 hit but can't recite one sentence of the Constitution or Bill of Rights beyond "We The People".

It's time that all those who are still asleep start to pay attention, or pretty soon, they will find out that their right to watch Jerry Springer and Judge Judy has been taken away by the boring politicians.

Originally posted by Tha Girl They Call Roc
I have been talking to people across the US about the disaster in the Gulf, and most of the people that I have spoken with don't care - especially the people on the west coast...
Am I alone in feeling this way, and getting nothing but apathy from almost everybody?

Roc, you're NOT alone! I'm north of Atlanta and I care very much about what's happening in the Gulf. It's been 12 years since I've seen the Gulf, but I remember how it was before it was devastated by multiple hurricanes and this oil spill. This spill is the WORST, and has the potential of turning into the worst environmental disaster in the WORLD, if it's not stopped soon!

It has not only destroyed the livelihoods of people in the fishing, shrimping, & tourist industries of that area, but it has destroyed a traditional lifestyle that goes back for generations. I'm talking about destroying an entire subculture.

It's been a HOLOCAUST for sealife/wildlife in that area. Not only is the crude oil toxic, the corexit 9500 (BP stupidly used) makes it TEN TIMES MORE TOXIC than the crude itself. BP could have used a non-toxic oil dispersant!!! Then they wonder why there are conspiracy theories?!

The US has lost a valuable source of FOOD! Something like 40% of the seafood eaten in the US came from the Gulf. God only knows what is in the seafood coming from other countries -- they do NOT have the same standards!

Obama politicized the spill for his own agenda. Foreign help was available on Day 3 of the spill. The Whale can skim almost as much oil in ONE DAY than has been clean up by Day 70+ -- why the incredible delay?!

Because: 1.) he did not want to alienate his Union supporters by waiving the Jones Act,

2.) because he wanted the spill to be as bad as possible to turn people against off shore drilling so Obama could press his Cap & Trade bill thru,

3.) because Soros has over half a billion dollars ($600,000,000+) invested in Petrobras (a state-run Brazilian oil co.) and Petrobras has already placed bids on Gulf oil rigs that sit idle because of the Obama moratorium on drilling. Obama has already promised Petrobras a preliminary loan of $2 Billion dollars for their ULTRA-DEEP WATER drilling (14,022 ft below sea level).

4.) Obama wants to kill the US oil industry with his moratorium. Even though the industry has drilled about 50,000 offshore wells in the more than 100 years that offshore drilling has existed. 5,000 of these wells are are Deep Water (over 500 ft below SL), 700 of these are Extreme Deep Water (over 1500 ft below SL). The deepest well in the Gulf is the Perdido owned by Royal Dutch Shell at almost 8,000 ft below SL. The Deep Water Horizon disaster is by far the WORST, nothing comes close, and is the EXCEPTION, not the rule -- we know this was caused by ignoring basic safety! Salazar falsified The National Academy of Engineering review to support the moratorium.

The oil rigs that leave the US are not coming back and we will lose US proprietary technology along with the rigs!!!

Obama is using this as an excuse to deprive the US of BILLIONS of $$ in revenue to further hasten the collapse of the US Dollar & economy. The resulting chaos will give Obama the excuse to declare Martial Law & suspend the Constitution indefinitely. Obama is a natural dictator.

Obama does NOT care about the environment or the U.S.!!!

The other day, I talked to a relative in Oregon (one of the Obama pod people who drank the koolaid to the last drop) who thinks Obama is doing a great job! She got very angry about my mentioning the oil spill. "What do want me to do about it?" was her response. It was clear the topic BORED her! Even though this Gulf spill will affect the entire US & possibly all the oceans of the world. I am disgusted, not only by the lack of compassion, but by the lack of IMAGINATION!

Astroved

Evacuation is inevitable.
So....perhaps the rest of America
will wake up when we start calling
our friends to see if we can move in!!!!!!

I share with anyone who will listen here on the Gulf in Alabama.

Get organized.
Mail special things up north.
Be prepared so you can be of comfort to others.

AND
get your butt out of the South before the FEMA goon
kick you out of your home.
In clearer words......get ready to leave N O W.

A: It wasn't BP alone, there were other brands that were sharing the oil as well.

B: Mistakes do happen, although, I agree the president acted very unresponsibly, I do not think boycotting BP will make any effect whatsoever.

C: People in Nigeria don't understand the big deal about oil spill since it happens there all the time.

BUT NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Niccawhois
How many threads across the net have been created to invoke sympathy for the rig workers that died on the Deep Water Horizon?

No sympathy from me for them. They drilled deep into mother Earth, stabbing her like how a mosquito might stab us. SLAP! The Earth farted on them and blew their butts to hell, not unlike how we might send a mosquito to hell that attacks us. Teach! BTW, I'm one of those people that strongly believe we should shut down the industrial era and go back to living modest simple minimal natural Earth friendly lives (think Amish like), giving priority to taking good care of the planet and all her other wildlife, for our sake, but especially for the sake of our descendants.

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Originally posted by Divinorumus

Originally posted by Niccawhois
How many threads across the net have been created to invoke sympathy for the rig workers that died on the Deep Water Horizon?

No sympathy from me for them. They drilled deep into mother Earth, stabbing her like how a mosquito might stab us. SLAP! The Earth farted on them and blew their butts to hell, not unlike how we might send a mosquito to hell that attacks us.

I can't begin to tell you how disgusted and sickened I felt when I read this. These rig workers died! For crying out loud, does that mean nothing to you? Or do you only care when its people who you deem are worthy of life (ie ones who share your pov about the oil spill)? Would you like to go to these rig workers wives/children/families and tell them to their face what you said above?

I'm one of those people that strongly believe we should shut down the industrial era and go back to living modest simple minimal natural Earth friendly lives (think Amish like), giving priority to taking good care of the planet and all her other wildlife

Riiiight. So... what's stopping you then? Is it the thought of giving up your computer and therefore your access to ATS? Or what? Seriously, what are you waiting for? I get so tired of people who want to undo all the things that technology and industry have brought to us. Instead of harping on about how you want to live a simple life, go do it and leave the rest of us alone. Jeez.

, for our sake, but especially for the sake of our descendants.

That makes me laugh. People like you keep trying to preach about how humans are the scourge of the planet, and the cause of all the earth's problems, yet continue to breed and have kids? Surely if you truly think that humans are 'hurting mother earth' then you should be advocating that humans stop having kids.

I'm so glad that I'm not hypocritical.


I really don't like to get this angry on here but I'm sorry, I just had to respond.

Originally posted by Niccawhois
Point is, this oil disaster will be cleaned up, no one will die and life will go on! THAT IS WHY NO-ONE CARES! Why don't you realize this too? Its been more than 2 months since this happened...When exactly is everyone going to die from this? Why are the beaches surrounding the Gulf not littered with the carcases of millions of sea creatures?

You need to be asking yourself these and other questions before assuming that you are the only compassionate Human Being left on the planet...
[edit on 2-7-2010 by Niccawhois]

Well said, gave ya a wee star

Trouble is, I'm not sure if anyone on here really wants to listen to reason.

Originally posted by tappy
For crying out loud, does that mean nothing to you?

Nope, not much. They made their career choice, they accepted the risks and consequences. If they felt the way I do about planet Earth, they wouldn't have.

Originally posted by tappy
Riiiight. So... what's stopping you then? Is it the thought of giving up your computer and therefore your access to ATS?

This computer is only one of two unnecessary items I own (my camera is the other), and I'll give it up the day society collapses along with all this crap we don't really need. And BTW, I do go to extremes to minimize my impact upon this planet. I only use about 2 gallons of gas per month, and no, that doesn't mean I ride the bus. I don't own a teevee, no huge entertainment center here, no single family home with a sprawling useless yard to make it look pretty either. I live minimally and have been for many years now. I have a net worth most will only dream about, yet I live at the poverty level by choice. And I'm vegan too, because I know the environmental impact of eating inhumane farm prison meat.

Originally posted by tappy
Surely if you truly think that humans are 'hurting mother earth' then you should be advocating that humans stop having kids.

I do, and if it were up to me, there would be limits, and stupid crap like viagra would be illegal like meth.

Originally posted by tappy
I really don't like to get this angry on here but I'm sorry, I just had to respond.

I'm angry every time I step outside my door and see what humanity is doing, especially that 20% of the worlds population that's using up 80% of the worlds resources. Tell me, how many people would go on a spending spree if they won millions in some lotto tomorrow? I suspect most, because 1) they have no self control, 2) they are a bunch of self-gratifying self-serving pigs, and 3) their caring is only lip service. I can afford to live like a king today, but by looking at my life most would assume I'm poor and deprived, yet my conscience is as clear as one can reasonably be today because I REALLY DO care.

I care about others that care too, but not for those that offer only lip service caring and then hop into their SUV and cruise own downtown to spend all day waiting in a line for the next iPhone or XBox or whatever the hell they have sold their soul for. I can even choose a salad over a piece of murdered flesh and blood for dinner, and walk to get it instead of cruising halfway across town in a flashy financed car to do so.

I care, but not for those that don't. So ..

Originally posted by theyrout2getus
Unfortunately, people generally don't care about much of anything unless they can see how it directly affects them.

The problem with most in this world today is that they aren't even thinking about the yet to be born. Have they ever given a moment thought to what life on Earth will be like for the great great great grandchildren? Will they ever get to see what a REAL whale looks like? Will they ever know a rain forest except in old old pictures? And how will their health be, after we've raped, trashed, and polluted the planet, all for the sake of corporate profits, a high on the hog lifestyle, and that feel fine party down good time?

Lets admit it, the majority of humanity has become horrible evil selfish self-gratifying self-serving Earth trashing pigs. Even those that are poor but would be living high on the hog given half the chance are included in that group. I respect those that can exercise self-restraint and control and live minimal modest lives. But as for the rest, those bopping about with iPods handing on their heads, adorned in the latest fashions with as many diamonds and as much gold as they can afford, living beyond their means on debt .. those that think discretionary income should be spent to rape the earth even more .. well, I hope they can find some way to EAT those excesses when we all become poor as society comes crashing down around them in their unsustainable quest for self-serving gratifications. Personally, I think it funny seeing someone go hungry but they got TV in their home. Put your hands back in your pocket and go eat your TV, because you should have been thinking about tomorrow before you bought that piece of needless crap.

Originally posted by tappy
However, I still can't agree that those oil rig workers deserved to die.

Well, don't get me wrong, I would have really preferred them to still be here among the living. I don't WANT anyone to die, nobody today, nobody tomorrow. But, humanity is pursuing an unsustainable lifestyle, and to be honest, many many more are going to die .. all because of of this path society is following today. It's already beyond the turn-back point now, so it's a certainly now.

Eventually many more are going to needlessly die when this unsustainable way of life comes to a halt, be it caused by dwindling resources such as water, an economic crash, the next war over limited resources, or the next natural disaster. It is inevitable now and a fact we all should be preparing for. The only unknown is exactly when, where, and how ... and how many, will be next.

I really wish everyone in this world could just GIVE IT UP, this pursuit of excesses and unnecessary things in our lives today, live minimally, modestly, etc. But that's not the path were on, and so I fear for the worst, and I'm prepared for the worst. Of course that doesn't guarantee much, as I could be the next casualty, by means of war, theft, pollution, natural disaster, gawd only knows.

It's the world we live in now. We're on a train with no breaks. And it's a fact that somewhere just ahead down the track, everything will come to an abrupt halt ... guaranteed within the lifespan of many here.

You know, the world population has tripled within the last 60 years. Does anyone believe that it can sustain another tripling within the next 60 years? I'm a dreamer, but not even I can dream up how THAT could be possible.

Those that care should immediately reduce EVERYTHING in their lives and then try to stop all the others too, and then maybe, just maybe, we can squeeze in a few more years before doom is upon us all.

BTW, I'm using only about 2 gallons of gas each month in my attempt to prevent the next unnecessary drilling accident. I've been using very little gas for the last 10 years. Now, compared to many others, exactly who bears more responsibility for those 11 lost lives? I'd give up using that 2 gallons of gas if it would save the next 11 lives. Anyone else ready to give up their automobiles to save the next 11 lives? Hum?

Oh, and remember too: 115 people die on American roads EVERY DAY, so lets not forget about them! Really, who cares? And who doesn't? Hum? Hum, world? I don't plan to use my crappy car until next weekend when I need to fetch some groceries ... I can walk or ride my bike for everything else instead .. because I care ... I REALLY do.

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