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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
And have either of you ever actually fought in a war?
Originally posted by Pyros
All I see are three things:
1) Americans over there trying to restore peace and order
2) Americans over there trying to rebuild a nation
3) Americans over there getting shot, kidnapped, and mutilated
4) Americans over there trying to get the job done and get the hell outta there as fast as possible
Originally posted by NashMan
Maybe someone should make a movie of the mass graves and executions under Saddam's rule.
Cheered on by our government at the time and well supplied by said, I might add. It didn't seem to matter back then when ol' Saddam was doing our bidding. I'd hate for anyone to forget that salient point.
Maybe include the nerve gassing of the Kurds too...
TextFace it, Iraq, and the rest of the world, is a better place with him gone...
War is blood and guts and people with their limbs blown off. Of course they don't show it on CNN, it's too graphic for the poor US public to handle.
I have yet to see anyone state that Iraq was a better place to live under Saddam than they way things are right now. Granted, there is a lot of violence and poverty inherent to the Iraqi situation, but this WILL improve over time. Yes, some people are getting killed and there are criminal acts being committed (unfortunately on both sides), but this is a passing abberation in a political process which will ultimately result in an improved way of life for the Iraqi people.
Not to make light of an intolerable situation, but you sometimes have to break a few eggs to make an omlet.
Its patently clear to me that some people are fond of quoting figures about numbers of civilians killed and so forth, simply to promote their politcal position or anti-government agenda. Thats fine, go right ahead. But if you really think the Iraqis have it so bad and its all the fault of the US, you are all wet.
These people ahve been living like this for hundreds of years, and once their electricity is respored, their basic way of life will be nearly completely restored. I have been to the Middle East and seen the way these people live. Compared to the west, it is abject poverty for the most part. But it is not like Bahgdad was some glittering glass metropolis to begin with.
Yes it is a mess and yes it will need to be cleaned up and rebuilt, but that happens in every revolution/war where oppressed peoples are freed. Even when they are freed when their liberators arrive under false pretenses.
Please gimme a break with the Iraqi civilian casualties bit. Its a stinking war! The cities and countrsides are infested with crazed religious fanatics bent on suicide. There is poverty everywhere and its 100 degrees over there. People are gonna die. If you wanna cry about innocent people dying, start a threat about the 5,000 adults and 1,000 children who die of AIDS in Africa EVERY DAMN DAY.