Feds shut down nine websites in movie piracy crackdown

Originally posted by hippomchippo
It's theft of a copy, not actual theft.

I have to ask if that is supposed to be an English sentence.

I do not even mean that as some kind of attack. Seriously, it makes so little sense that I am just lost. Are you really saying that theft is only theft based on the value of what was stolen? You did say "theft" of a copy so...theft is theft, right?

Originally posted by ldyserenity
What does immigration have to do with the piracy deal??? Check this site out it used to be a streaming movies website. read the whole thing!


Site seized by immigration?????WTF????


EDIT to ADD I guess this is what they're doing instead of protecting our borders from murderers, thieves, terrorists, drug cartels, etc. etc. etc. Attack us some more brilliant!!!!

I live on the Mexican/Arizona border. I consider a crime a crime.

You may not see it as a crime - - but why would you be concerned that millions of dollars in profit are lost? Oh - I'm sure you'd care if it was you who was being affected.

Again - - it affects the entire industry - - all the way down to the Janitors and Food Service. But - it doesn't affect your livelihood - - so that's OK.

Annee, it would seem that you have a strong bias against file sharing and copyright infringement. Possibly due to having children working careers in the movie industry. I can't help but feel at this 13th page of the thread that the core issues established on the first 4 pages have been lost. It's now digressed to a right or wrong, back and forth... with a dash of mudslinging.

Is downloading movies and tv for free, wrong? It certainly is.

These issues have now made big enough waves in our culture that federal agencies are sailing on them. We have certainly got their attention. Piracy, if you want to call it that, is now such a threat to them that they have to plan budgets and task forces just to battle it. I for one hope that these sites come back 10 fold after this series of shutdowns. I hope it swells so big that hollywood if forced to adapt instead of trying to fight it.

Your kids aren't millionaires. In my opinion, they should be. The amount of record breaking profits made by movies every single year should be more fairly distributed among all who were involved. Not a gross amount to the star actors/actresses, producers, and other high society blokes. The generation of people who are disgusted by profit centric ventures is growing. You could almost say that the foundations of Capitalism is starting to shake. With this issue as it is now, I can see the possibility of change.

I'm sure you've discussed this topic with your children. I would hope that they could see how it all is, having such a close perspective. I would hope that they would organize into a nation-wide strike against these tycoons, just like the writers strike a couple years ago. They deserve better. The way the production companies think, they'd rather lay off your kids than risk a mild loss in profits. Thats how important money is to them. I'd rather see your kids fight their oppressors.

It is unfortunate that such "theft" like methods had to be put to use. But, it is working. I see the possibility of a great deal of change over the next decade. I hope it gets significantly worse. I pray that something "For The People" blossoms at the end of this treacherous road.

Originally posted by Durrilll
Annee, it would seem that you have a strong bias against file sharing and copyright infringement. Possibly due to having children working careers in the movie industry.

Yes I have a kid in the business - - and my hubby is a computer tech.

But - that's not the point. (its just a side note)

Every single person that downloads Free movies - - - KNOWS - - they are denying profit to the producer of that movie. THEY KNOW!!!!!!!!!!

And yet - - they continue to justify their self entitlement.

Flat out - - - there is NO justification. What bias? There is no bias. Black & White - - it is out right Theft.

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Originally posted by Annee
Flat out - - - there is NO justification. What bias? There is no bias. Black & White - - it is out right Theft.
[edit on 3-7-2010 by Annee]

Will you continue to cling to that belief if legislation were to change, making it legal?

My private data is a rival good
It is also excludable

For example: you maxing out my credit card prevents me from maxing out my credit card.
I can also exclude you from using my personal data by simply keeping it secret.
Hollywood is free to return to 32 mm, and distribution in film rolls. In that format it is pretty easy to exclude people from using the good. On a DVD it is not excludable.

But this is going in circles.
I am of the opinion that if 2 things are tried in different courts, under different laws, with different penalties and different requirements for evidence they are obviously not the same thing.
You guys keep saying "yes it is, i saw a spot that said so"
Of course under that argument, homicide is fraud, rape is arson, and DUI is forgery.

Chief Justice Holt 1701 “an Act of Parliament can do no wrong, though it may do several things that look pretty odd”.

Originally posted by Durrilll

Originally posted by Annee
Flat out - - - there is NO justification. What bias? There is no bias. Black & White - - it is out right Theft.
[edit on 3-7-2010 by Annee]

Will you continue to cling to that belief if legislation were to change, making it legal?

BELIEF???????????????? It is not a belief - - its a fact.

Why would legislature make Denial of Profit legal?

Originally posted by Durrilll

Your kids aren't millionaires. In my opinion, they should be. The amount of record breaking profits made by movies every single year should be more fairly distributed among all who were involved. Not a gross amount to the star actors/actresses, producers, and other high society blokes. The generation of people who are disgusted by profit centric ventures is growing. You could almost say that the foundations of Capitalism is starting to shake. With this issue as it is now, I can see the possibility of change.

What are you talking about? My kid has done nothing that would warrant her being granted millionaire status.

Are you jealous of people who have money? I can tell you right now - - nothing pisses me off more then those people jealous of Bill Gates because he is rich. He was a shrewd business man. He earned everything he has.

So you think someone who works as an actor doesn't deserve to be paid what they can contract for? Is that right?

As far as I know - - we still work in a Capitalist system - - survival of the fittest - - and all that. If someone can contract a million dollars - - then they absolutely deserve it.

Who are you to tell them otherwise.

Annee, you really don't even want to discuss my other points do you?

Lets say for a moment that you are right and "the people who just don't care" are criminals, the most vile of viles who just don't care. As more people find the internet, they will become criminals, young and old. If they were all to goto jail or be fined, you will have at least 2-4billion "criminals" in jail or out on the street who will not be able to buy movies even if they wanted to. Because they don't care if they are criminals or pirates....yaaar.

If you think every one who breaks the law must be punished. All jay walkers, children not wearing a bike helmet while riding their bike, riding your bike on the sidewalk in some states/citys, speeding and not crossing the light while you dont have the walk signal all must be criminals. So now, instead of 2-4billion criminals, you have 5-6billion. At that point, every one will have to study law and become a judge or lawyer and have a prison in their basment.

You can not force people (criminals) to go backwards when it comes to technology untill they themselves feel its wrong excluding people telling them that it is. Saying its wrong is like telling an obese woman that eating that 2L Ben and Jerry's is wrong, it just reinforces the cycle, she has to want to change and it has to come from the inside.

Did rental stores have to pay royalties before the internet age? Was it still stealing if there was no law at the time and why is the porn industry still making money with so much free porn on the net?

i used watch-movies-online.tv to see movies. i just got done with watching iron man 2 and the FBI shut it down.

Frankly, I really hate bootleg movies. Cheapens the brainwashing experience for me. The compression makes the picture look vhs-ish too many times.

I love the theatres. And am a big fan of blu-rays. I think I take more interest in watching how the movies are made than the movies themselves sometimes. Plus the production diaries and behind the scenese footage has some really funny #. Actors and directors in their normal personas as opposed to the characters we see.

I mean Gerard Butler was too funny in the "Gamer" special features. He even moons the camera at the end to reveal pictures of some guys on his butcheeks. Thats the stuff that makes me buy Blu-Rays/DVD's .

I never download movies. If the production crews cant get paid then no more movies will get made. # the actors. They can find anyone for that. The real cast of the more are the people doing special effects and visuals, stunts, sculptors, carpentors, electricians and whatnot.

Oh and the Fed is involved because Hollywood is an extension of the Government propoganda wing as well as the primary advertiser of corporatte products , maybe more so than TV.

Because the movie actually shows the product being used in a real believable instance most the time, which burns a clearer message in the brain then some of these silly commercials on tv. It is actually true.

Originally posted by XL5
Annee, you really don't even want to discuss my other points do you?

NO

Your other points are more excuses and manipulation and justification - - - from personal feelings.

This is not about personal feelings.

Denial of Profit is FACT. Hard cold FACT.

How you feel is completely irrelevant.

Originally posted by DYepes

# the actors. They can find anyone for that.

Not really. There's a reason the big stars get paid the big bucks.

They are the Salesmen/women of the company. If they can "SELL" it - - making money for the company - - then they deserve the big bucks.

Its just like any other company.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Durrilll
Annee, it would seem that you have a strong bias against file sharing and copyright infringement. Possibly due to having children working careers in the movie industry.

Yes I have a kid in the business - - and my hubby is a computer tech.

But - that's not the point. (its just a side note)

Every single person that downloads Free movies - - - KNOWS - - they are denying profit to the producer of that movie. THEY KNOW!!!!!!!!!!

And yet - - they continue to justify their self entitlement.

Flat out - - - there is NO justification. What bias? There is no bias. Black & White - - it is out right Theft.

[edit on 3-7-2010 by Annee]

Erm... yah, the not giving them any money thing is the point.
It's called "boycott"
I dont want to give distributors money, who add nothing in value for me, except restrictions on how to use their product, after I bought it. I dont want to give them money to lobby for yet another extension of copyright duration (Thank god the 90 years didnt go through)
Back in the 15th century, when piracy was killing the printing press, and the first monopoly was granted to prevent that (Josef von Speyer, Venice) he got 5 years.
These days we are looking at "until your great grand children are dead"
Considering that it is a whole lot easier to distribute your good today, than it was in the 15th century, that development went completely into the wrong direction!
I'd have to look, but if copy right protection was still 5 years, i do not thik i would have anything infringing on my HDs.

Yes Anne, they can find random people to work for alot less actually and are even prettier. Many of the highest paid actors just did dirty stuff on the way up from local plays and theatre work or knew someone that gave them a leg up, but in reality it only takes a pretty face and a good talker for many of the highest paying roles.


I gaurantee that when Diane Kruger showed her pretty rack in Troy, it was not the only thing she had to do behind the scenes to secure her role. But hey she was paid well for it nonetheless. Dont pretend that it does not happen. The men have to do it to as well.

Anyways, I still enjoy the show nonetheless. But I think I respect the production crew more than the actors.

Originally posted by Annee

What are you talking about? My kid has done nothing that would warrant her being granted millionaire status.

Are you jealous of people who have money? I can tell you right now - - nothing pisses me off more then those people jealous of Bill Gates because he is rich. He was a shrewd business man. He earned everything he has.

So you think someone who works as an actor doesn't deserve to be paid what they can contract for? Is that right?

As far as I know - - we still work in a Capitalist system - - survival of the fittest - - and all that. If someone can contract a million dollars - - then they absolutely deserve it.

Who are you to tell them otherwise.

I am glad at least I know where you are comming from and the philosophy that governs your life - survival of the fittest.

Just make sure you do not fall ill, grow old or need the trappings of civilisation to assist you. If you do, it would only mean you had conned others into doing things freely for you without you contributing back, for with your philosophy, you are the fittest, by hook and by crook, and deserve everything, even at the expense of others.

This is no extreme belief, but only the philosophy that you and your kind daily goes by.

With regards to the movie industry, the Corporation is already way ahead of you supporters. Their strategy to counter piracy is to hold mass openings quickly, earn the bucks for their investments, then sit back and whatever that rolls in are bonus.

In other words, they had already made their profits. No one will deny anyone their due, but only the excesses of it, more than they can ever spend in their lifetimes while others go hungry, not because of they are lazy, but simply because they have no opportunities. Not everyone would bow, scrape and grovel before slave drivers and masters, more so free Americans.

No one can tell the Corporation what to do. But a civilisation is built upon by conscience, of what one does that will affect another, and if harm or hurt should befall in such exchanges, than it will be better to pause and reflect one's action retrospectively, for the sake of civilisation and harmony within one's society.

Perhaps it may be time to relook at copyright duration limits, on how long one can hold on to copyrights while not to deny others such as the poor or the suppressed opportunities to read or watch their works or imitate their styles so as to build upon the works of others for the glory and elevation of mankind, just as our ancestors had done.

Copyrights entail a person his due, but when it brings in more money and becomes more than he can ever spend in his lifetime, there is no longer justification to 'protect' his work. It becomes slavery, an obstacle and an enforced concept to deny others opportunities to progress due to the royalties payable.

How much is enough for a person then? $30 million ought to be enough, with $20million in a trust fund with payable interest will last several generations for lifetimes. Once any human makes that 'magical' amount in a single work or accumated work, he should cease all rights to financial gain, sit back and retire.

But then, I suspect you will disagree with me, being of the barbaric class of 'survival of the fittest'. It's your own words, not mine.

Excuses and manipulation, nope. Justification, sure, but you must admit that you feel its wrong and NOT just because of the law. There are anti-profiteering laws btw.

If there was a free energy device and it was illegal because it took profits away from oil drillers and power plants and linemen, would you accept that law?

You can not make people care with facts about laws or about how you feel. Really though, how would they stop file sharing aside from arresting 2-4billion people or turning off the internet?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Durrilll

Originally posted by Annee
Flat out - - - there is NO justification. What bias? There is no bias. Black & White - - it is out right Theft.
[edit on 3-7-2010 by Annee]

Will you continue to cling to that belief if legislation were to change, making it legal?

BELIEF???????????????? It is not a belief - - its a fact.

Why would legislature make Denial of Profit legal?

... because it is the basis of a free market system?
A Free market works like this:
Companys choose which goods to produce
Customer chooses whom to give the dollar for the product.
Once Customer has given his dollar to company A, he cant give it to company B anymore. Company B has been denied Profit, by this customer.
We call this "Competition"

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

I am glad at least I know where you are comming from and the philosophy that governs your life - survival of the fittest.

See, thats the funny thing:
She thinks she is promoting free market survival of the fittest economy,
...
While defending a state granted monopoly for a limited time.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

I am glad at least I know where you are comming from and the philosophy that governs your life - survival of the fittest.

It is not my philosophy at all. It is however the world we live in today.

This discussion is about what is legal. About Denial of Prophet. About the Capitalist business world.

And about self entitlement - - - to someone else's profit. Theft.

I am capable of separating what IS - - from my personal wants. Are you?

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My personal philosophy is actually the complete opposite. But inappropriate for this discussion.



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