reply to post by Gorman91
As a professional soldier, my job is to secure victory for my side of the conflict (regardless of what the motives for going to war are/were), but
within the charter of your mission, according to law and with the least amount of damage to innocent civilians. Believe it or not, war is not a
complete break down of law, it is a method of force. Also, believe it or not, both sides of almost every conflict, generally operate within
international law and moral precedence. Take for instance the Nazis, who for the most part operated within their charter, which was based upon
international law and moral right and wrongs. Of course, there were a few instances in which this didn't happen but that was the exception, not the
War is not always a bad thing, IMO. Sometimes war is necessary, such as the case when war is actually defending your way of life. Most armed
revolutions have their basis in good intentions, though war as of late seems to be based purely on profit, debt and control. Whatever the motives may
be, they should not influence the job of a professional soldier. If a soldier's charter is to hunt for weapons catches for instance, there is a right
way and a wrong way to do it. Believe it or not, there is a way to do it which impacts the rights of others as little as possible. How a fighter
conducts his mission, is what determines whether he is a soldier, or armed thug.
You can't regulate war. You can pretend to be civil and professional, but when the crap hits the fan it exponentially dies with the intensity
of the war.
You can regulate war, just as much as you can regulate anything else. If a soldier is trained properly, lead correctly and has a strong enough heart
and mental ability, he will regulate himself. The mental strength of course is a direct result of training and leadership. While there is such a thing
as "the fog of war", a professional soldier won't let that fog of war, be a fog of morals or a disrespect of innocent life. Again, this is what
separates a professional soldier from an armed thug or even a scared amateur.
Making war pretty with this crap does nothing but make you lose and more people die.
War may not be pretty, but it is necessary. As long as one person arms himself and acts belligerent, there will be a need for others to arm themselves
and sometimes act upon those arms. The sad truth of the matter, is that there will always be someone willing to arm themselves and take advantage of
those who don't, which is where people like me and many like me, come in to play.
I in no way support such answers. I don't even support war. And I could not ever be forced into a war. I would hardly care for rules and
professionalism. I'd run for whoever's side would keep me alive and stay under. And if they forced me to kill? I'd hunt down the ones forcing such
a thing and show them why its wrong by example, if I had it in me.
That's just the thing. Often people can be given the choice to submit or fight. Are they then being forced into war? Would you consider such a
scenario as being forced into war? I think it would say a lot for your character if you ignored all rules, including your own when being lead into
Lets say that an invading army comes into your town and clamps down on your liberties, maybe abuses your family. Would you fight? Would you run to
whatever side would keep you alive, or would you fight for what's right, by your family, community and way of life? Would your hand no be forced?
Then, if you were to fight for what you thought is right, would you abuse innocent people for your own safety? If you would, then you would define
what it is to be an armed thug, not a professional soldier.
Professional soldiers do have responsibilities and in no way should they ever force the innocent for their own benefits. A soldier should be willing
to die, rather than abusing others so they don't. Every soldier knows that there is a chance their life will be sacrificed so to abuse the rights of
innocents is wholly uncalled for and not the actions of a soldier, rather that of an armed thug or scared amateur.
Many people who look at combat or soldiering from the outside-in, will never understand the responsibilities of such a profession and yes, their are
many responsibilities in addition to defeating your enemies. It's how you perform your job that determines whether or not you are a soldier. Again,
protecting the innocent is just as much of the job as is killing the enemy.
War happens because rules failed. Rules don't happen because wars do.
Not necessarily, but even so, that does not mean that you should stoop the level of those who disregard rules. There are certain natural laws, such as
killing or oppressing innocent people, that every sane human being can understand. Many of these natural laws are pointed out through international
law, regarding war. The job of a soldier is to operate within the confines of these laws, to include any additional rules set by their leaders. It is
also the job of a soldier to refuse any order that is not bound by law.
For instance, if your commander orders you to shoot an innocent child, it is the responsibility of the soldier to refuse that order. If you carry out
those illegal orders, you are not living up to your responsibility as a soldier.
Also, you have to work within the confines of your additional laws, set by your command. For instance, if your rules of engagement are to not fire
unless fired upon, then it is your responsibility to live up those laws as well, even at the expense of your own life.
So, when you boil it down, there are many laws in war and it is the responsibility of each soldier to complete their mission within the confines of
these laws, even at the expense of your own life. It's part of the reason why being a soldier is tough, to discern between what's right or wrong
when the stuff hits the fan and to not cut corners, even when your own life depends on it.
I'm under no illusion that every soldier is capable of doing this, however I don't consider those who don't to be professional soldiers. They
either can't, which means they lack the training, leadership and/or mental ability to do so, which would make them an amateur or they lack the
respect of their profession, which would make them an armed thug.
A true soldier, will do his job within the law and within the charter of their mission, while someone who can't or won't, should not be considered
This Israeli spy had the responsibility to do what's right, irregardless of what he was ordered to do. It's the responsibility of everyone. Be
responsible for your own actions.
Edited to add: There is a huge difference between a soldier and someone who arms themself to fight an enemy. Not everyone who picks up a rifle is
considered a soldier.
[edit on 11-7-2010 by airspoon]