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With tensions already on the rise and the prospect of progress in the indirect peace talks already looking remote, Israeli Foreign Minister and long-standing peace talk opponent Avigdor Lieberman may well have finally done away with the last shreds of hope with his comments today.
Speaking at a press conference with his Russian counterpart, Lieberman announced that there was “no chance” of a Palestinian state being allowed to exist by 2012. Palestinian statehood is ostensibly the purpose of
Originally posted by airspoon
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that the military must remain in total military control over the borders of a Palestinian state, including the borders between this state and other nations.
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Do we need anymore evidence to suggest that Israel does not wish for peace, to to come to that same conclusion? It is more than obvious that Israel wants to "extinguish" the Palestinian movement, as to "complete" the Zionist agenda of a whole Israel.
Furthermore, their control of Palestinian borders severely oppresses the innocent Palestinians, making peace that much more unlikely. By preventing the basic substances of life from getting to the Palestinian people because of Israeli control of the border, they can be that much more effective at their genocidal agenda.
It is more clear than ever that Israel does not want peace with the Palestinians. Why would they? They sure aren't losing anything from this conflict and if there was peace, they wouldn't have an excuse to kill and terrorize Palestinians.
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First of all, I have no hate of Israelis, as I have family in Israel. Second, I'm not going to ignore Israeli atrocities because Israel may be a "touchy" subject. In fact, that's why I highlight them, because the MSM fails to do so. Do you want to know why I tend to side with Palestinians? Because I have morals and I'm against tyranny, oppression, evil and murder. The flotilla massacre was not the fault of Palestine or even the aid workers aboard the flotilla, as they were simply trying to bring in life sustaining supplies to an oppressed people. It is Israel oppressing the Palestinians, not the other way around. I'm going to call attention to the oppressors, no matter who they happen to be. If it was the Palestinians oppressing the Zionists, then I would be calling attention to that.
There is no 'tyranny,opression,evil,murder'. There is none of that. In fact the very fact that you think of israel is evil supports my judgement. No nation is 'evil' sorry. That is bias. You can dress it up as much as you want and try to give yourself the moral highground but the truth still rings through yeah. It could be argued that the 'massacre' was in fact the fault of BOTH sides. I have seen the videos. Which you will probably say is done by israelis or some other bullcrap excuse you use.
Israel was within there rights to Stop that ship. The people on that boat were given warning after warning to stop. Its that freakin simple. They did not. In fact they told reporters that they would turn around and wait to daylight to try and ram the blockade. To get more publicity. I dont feel sympathy for them....they were and still are IDIOTS.
The palestinians are not oppressed by israel.I dont agree with israel going in and tearing down homes. Which should be stopped asap. But i dont agree with the hatred spewed fourth by the 'palestinians' either.
In fact, your same arguments were made by Nazis in Germany back in the 30s. It didn't really fly back then with people who saw the truth and it won't fly now, except for people weighed down by ignorance.
Furthermore, not only have I studied the region in college, but I have also been there to see what's going on first hand. I know full well and perfect about the history of the region and Israel has been pretty much been in the wrong for most of its history. Going back even further than that, no one was alive to back then to be held responsible and therefore should not suffer because of it.
How were my arguments made in nazi germany? im waiting on this...i really am.
Good you studied the region......but obviously your bias has got you loking through tinted glass's. How has israel been in the wrong? please enlighten me?
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The sad fact of the matter, is that Israel is the terror state in this conflict. It is because of their undue oppression that Palestinians send rockets over, or suicide bombers or what have you. Unfortunately, you only hear about those acts in our media, instead of what instigated them. For instance, when you hear of a rocket sent into Israel, you don't hear about the child murdered by the IDF. You don't hear about the forced evictions of Palestinians so one or two fat Zionist settlers can move into the home, right in front of the now homeless children. You don't hear about the Israelis declaring valuable and much needed farm land as off-limits, causing many women and children to go hungry. You don't hear about the homes demolished, unwarranted detainments, refusal of entry, child deaths and military terrorism committed by Israel... You only hear about the rocket fired into Israel by those "terrorists" who want to wipe Israel off the map
You are going to excuse and justify palestinian attacks now? Your kidding me right? Boo hoo. Your prejudice is showing through again...better keep it in check or you will let everyone know the hypocriticle hateful zealot you are. 'fat zionist". Lets just replace the word zionist with jew from now on why dont we? thats what zionists are right? jews and jew supporters.
Like i said above i dont agree with them coming in and tearing down homes.....but the palestinians have no right to kill any israelis. You probably think of it as 'justic' or some other crap. You will justify it any way though right? anything to give you and the 'palestinian' people the moral highground.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
IMO If Israel has the right to exist, then so does palestine!
The reason the Palestinians are so angry and lobbing rockets, is because Israel refuses them to live and prosper on their own lands. Anyone here on this website if you had a shred of courage would be doing the exact same thing Palestine is doing, if a bigger nation was restricting you, isolating you, refusing aid and imports and forcing you to live in squaller.
Israel are their own worst enemies. The more they push and punish Palestine they more Palestine fights back.
The more they BUILD on Palestines land the more Palestinian youths will attack the settlers.
Im sure its painfully obvious to Israel, they just want to keep provoking them until they do something quite stupid thus giving them MORE Reason to destroy them.
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
He is, of course, blaming the Palestinians. It's their fault. And so we go round again.
Speaking at a press conference with his Russian counterpart, Lieberman announced that there was “no chance” of a Palestinian state being allowed to exist by 2012.
Citing the difficulties of peace negotiations and Palestinian divisions during a meeting with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Jerusalem, Lieberman said, "There is absolutely no chance of reaching a Palestinian state before the year 2012," adding that "one can dream and imagine, but we are far from reaching an agreement."
And I believe that this requires in the case of a future settlement with the Palestinians, this will require an Israeli presence on the eastern side of a prospective Palestinian state. I’m not saying how it will be done, I’m not saying in what format, but I’m saying based on recent experience, we’ve seen that in Lebanon we had an international guarantee – the United States Resolution – 1701 – an insurance policy signed by the entire international community and you know that that unfortunately has failed, in fact it’s failed miserably and Hizbollah is just pouring in weapons, more and more weapons to fire into Israel.
The Jewish population of Germany, worked to get America into WWI, but only after Germany had all but beat the allies, offering the British very reasonable peace terms for an end to the war. The German Jewish population, who had it better in Germany than any other country, persuaded America into enter the war on behalf of the "allies", in exchange for Great Britain to allow a Jewish state in Palestine.