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Zecharia Sitchins ridicules hypothesis , page 1
Topic started on 30-6-2010 @ 06:38 AM by LUXUS
When I first read Zecharia Stichins books some years ago I found the story’s contained within them fascinating and wonderful, the whole idea that
ETs had once walked with us.
Then as time progressed and I started to think more deeply upon the story contained within those books the more holes I could see. Some of the facts on second consideration didn’t make Scientific or logical sense.
Eventually I arrived at where I am now, finding Stichins story completely ridiculous and based on a totally illogical hypothesis.
We often accept things on face value, just accept things without engaging our own brains and really thinking about what we are being told. We are swept away and enchanted by the whole story that it blinds us, we fail to use our own brains.
Here are just a few points I would like to raise for your consideration:
1,According to the story presented the annunaki who were extraterrestrials came to our planet in search of Gold to repair the atmosphere of their dieing planet.
Do you know how heavy gold is? Have you ever lifted a lump of lead? If you have ever lifted a lump of lead you will know its bloody heavy stuff and gold is even heavier!
If you were to grind the gold up even into the finest talc powder and release the dust into the upper atmosphere it would fall back to the surface of the planet in a matter of hours.
What would you do then? Would you go and sweep it all up and repeat the process?
The whole idea is stupid! Added to the following point you will see that such a radiation shield would not even be needed in the first place.
2, Planet Neribu is presented to us as a planed orbiting our sun on a widely elliptical orbit, what does that mean to you?
It means that at has terrible weather conditions, actually the weather conditions on that planet would be so bad that life would be impossible!
One extreme of that planets weather would be when it is way out in space far away from our sun. Its pitch dark as there is no sun and it’s bloody cold actually its colder they you can possibly imagine, a frozen planet.
If you take a look at the orbit of planet X you will see that at one extreme it is way out past Neptune. It means its far colder and darker then Neptune!
Neptune’s atmosphere has a temperature of around -218 degrees C, that’s quite a few degrees colder then your ice box, and planet X would be far colder then Neptune!
Its probably so cold that gases would be liquid on that planet, the blood in your veins would freeze solid. If you breathed the atmosphere even for a second your lungs would be frozen solid.
At the other extreme it would have temperatures like our planet but due to the gravitational stress imposed on the planet due to its eccentric orbit it would have a highly unstable surface.
Considering the above do you think life could exist or even evolve on such a planet?
Now ask yourself the question why do they need the gold radiation shields anyway?
3, We were genetically engineered as mine workers to dig for the gold which is needed because Neribu is too hot haha.
Well let’s think about this, at what age do you think a human male would be physically strong enough to dig in a gold mine?
He would have to be past puberty anyway as such work requires muscle. Shall we say at the minimum he would have to be 12-14 years old.
So the ETs have got to wait 14 years for this creature they created to be old enough to start work. During all that time they are going to feed, cloth and teach that creature.
From my recollection of sitchins work the first prototype human was useless so they had to kill it. I think it was third time lucky with us.
So very roughly 14 years for the first prototype and it was a failure, 14 years for the second mark 2 and it was a failure then 14 years fore our ancestor Adam.
Adam was successful so then they had to then use Adams genetics to produce the first batch of workers, another 14 years. 14 X 4 = 56 years minimum they waited for the first batch of humans….wouldn’t you think they would just go build themselves a robot?
Can you afford to just sit down and wait 56 years when your poor planet (which is frozen solid) needs its much needed radiation shield to block out the terrible Sun?
We haven’t even taken into consideration how long they had to study and research before the geneticists could make the first prototype.
Lets say I now find Z sitchins story complete stupidity. I wouldn’t get too worried about aliens coming from planet Neribu if I were you, if it exists it’s a lifeless chunk of frozen rock. At most we should be worried about junk falling off that rock as it passes us.
[edit on 30-6-2010 by LUXUS]
[edit on 30-6-2010 by LUXUS]
Then as time progressed and I started to think more deeply upon the story contained within those books the more holes I could see. Some of the facts on second consideration didn’t make Scientific or logical sense.
Eventually I arrived at where I am now, finding Stichins story completely ridiculous and based on a totally illogical hypothesis.
We often accept things on face value, just accept things without engaging our own brains and really thinking about what we are being told. We are swept away and enchanted by the whole story that it blinds us, we fail to use our own brains.
Here are just a few points I would like to raise for your consideration:
1,According to the story presented the annunaki who were extraterrestrials came to our planet in search of Gold to repair the atmosphere of their dieing planet.
Do you know how heavy gold is? Have you ever lifted a lump of lead? If you have ever lifted a lump of lead you will know its bloody heavy stuff and gold is even heavier!
If you were to grind the gold up even into the finest talc powder and release the dust into the upper atmosphere it would fall back to the surface of the planet in a matter of hours.
What would you do then? Would you go and sweep it all up and repeat the process?
The whole idea is stupid! Added to the following point you will see that such a radiation shield would not even be needed in the first place.
2, Planet Neribu is presented to us as a planed orbiting our sun on a widely elliptical orbit, what does that mean to you?
It means that at has terrible weather conditions, actually the weather conditions on that planet would be so bad that life would be impossible!
One extreme of that planets weather would be when it is way out in space far away from our sun. Its pitch dark as there is no sun and it’s bloody cold actually its colder they you can possibly imagine, a frozen planet.
If you take a look at the orbit of planet X you will see that at one extreme it is way out past Neptune. It means its far colder and darker then Neptune!
Neptune’s atmosphere has a temperature of around -218 degrees C, that’s quite a few degrees colder then your ice box, and planet X would be far colder then Neptune!
Its probably so cold that gases would be liquid on that planet, the blood in your veins would freeze solid. If you breathed the atmosphere even for a second your lungs would be frozen solid.
At the other extreme it would have temperatures like our planet but due to the gravitational stress imposed on the planet due to its eccentric orbit it would have a highly unstable surface.
Considering the above do you think life could exist or even evolve on such a planet?
Now ask yourself the question why do they need the gold radiation shields anyway?
3, We were genetically engineered as mine workers to dig for the gold which is needed because Neribu is too hot haha.
Well let’s think about this, at what age do you think a human male would be physically strong enough to dig in a gold mine?
He would have to be past puberty anyway as such work requires muscle. Shall we say at the minimum he would have to be 12-14 years old.
So the ETs have got to wait 14 years for this creature they created to be old enough to start work. During all that time they are going to feed, cloth and teach that creature.
From my recollection of sitchins work the first prototype human was useless so they had to kill it. I think it was third time lucky with us.
So very roughly 14 years for the first prototype and it was a failure, 14 years for the second mark 2 and it was a failure then 14 years fore our ancestor Adam.
Adam was successful so then they had to then use Adams genetics to produce the first batch of workers, another 14 years. 14 X 4 = 56 years minimum they waited for the first batch of humans….wouldn’t you think they would just go build themselves a robot?
Can you afford to just sit down and wait 56 years when your poor planet (which is frozen solid) needs its much needed radiation shield to block out the terrible Sun?
We haven’t even taken into consideration how long they had to study and research before the geneticists could make the first prototype.
Lets say I now find Z sitchins story complete stupidity. I wouldn’t get too worried about aliens coming from planet Neribu if I were you, if it exists it’s a lifeless chunk of frozen rock. At most we should be worried about junk falling off that rock as it passes us.
[edit on 30-6-2010 by LUXUS]
[edit on 30-6-2010 by LUXUS]
reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 10:00 AM by Arken
reply to post by LUXUS
Do you really read ZECHARIA SITCHIN books (not Stichin)?
If so, very superficial, because you don't know neither his exact name.
May be "your" Zecharia Stichin is not the real ZECHARIA SITCHIN...
When I first read Zecharia Stichins books some years ago I found the story’s contained within them fascinating and wonderful, the whole idea that ETs had once walked with us.
Do you really read ZECHARIA SITCHIN books (not Stichin)?
If so, very superficial, because you don't know neither his exact name.
May be "your" Zecharia Stichin is not the real ZECHARIA SITCHIN...
reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 10:43 AM by autowrench
Originally posted by LUXUS
When I first read Zecharia Stichins books some years ago I found the story’s contained within them fascinating and wonderful, the whole idea that ETs had once walked with us.
Me too, friend, Stichin and von Däniken intrigued me to no end when I first read them. In those days there were not a lot of UFO/Alien books, and this was before the Internet.
(sounds funny to say that, doesn't it?) Both writers informed the masses that we are quite simply not alone in the universe. Later on, having my own experiences, I came to realize the vast cover-up that was going on about them. I refer you to The Terra Papers.
Then as time progressed and I started to think more deeply upon the story contained within those books the more holes I could see. Some of the facts on second consideration didn’t make Scientific or logical sense.
Eventually I arrived at where I am now, finding Stichins story completely ridiculous and based on a totally illogical hypothesis.
That may be true for you, but I just cannot discount everything they said on the books as being false, or wrong. These men spent their adult lives in the study and research that produced these books. You see, no one has all of the information. All have a little, some have a lot, and nobody has it all. Ever heard of compartmentalization? I think the Annunaki are but one of the many species that visited Earth back then, I think the Pleiadians were here, the Sirius Race, the Feline Race, the Reptile Race, all were represented. How egotistic is it to even think we are all alone, created by an unknow, unseen being?
We often accept things on face value, just accept things without engaging our own brains and really thinking about what we are being told. We are swept away and enchanted by the whole story that it blinds us, we fail to use our own brains.
So right you are. Christians and Muslims are a good example of this, believing what they are told, and what is in their books, and never really engaging their brain and logic to the subject matter at hand. I have been enchanted by stories in books, I know how easy it is.
According to the story presented the annunaki who were extraterrestrials came to our planet in search of Gold to repair the atmosphere of their dieing planet.
Do you know how heavy gold is? Have you ever lifted a lump of lead? If you have ever lifted a lump of lead you will know its bloody heavy stuff and gold is even heavier!
I believe this is a cover story, the real reason is they liked it for jewelery, just like humans like it for that purpose. Gold belongs to the Gods, doesn't it? Also, the ingestion of powdered gold has many health benefits...www.asc-alchemy.com...
Planet Neribu is presented to us as a planed orbiting our sun on a widely elliptical orbit, what does that mean to you?
It means that at has terrible weather conditions, actually the weather conditions on that planet would be so bad that life would be impossible!
What you say is impossible is based on Earth physics and knowledge. what if the Annunaki do not live on the surface, but rather in a hollowed out planet, a terra-formed world? I can visualize Nibiru as a large failed Star, black in color and emitting infared microwaves. It is a world for several, or even many different species inside, for the Star is quite large, about three times bigger than Earth. When it was here last, it is no wonder people saw it as "heaven," and those who came down from it as "Gods."
One extreme of that planets weather would be when it is way out in space far away from our sun. Its pitch dark as there is no sun and it’s bloody cold actually its colder they you can possibly imagine, a frozen planet.
Again, as a failed Star, it would emit it's own heat source, and even in outer space may need some kind of air conditioning or cooling system inside. Earth stays warm because of the close proximity to a Star, doesn't it?
We were genetically engineered as mine workers to dig for the gold....
Yes, that is the reason the Annunaki wanted us to be. That was their meaning, and their agenda. The original IGGI rebelled, and something has to be done.
I am sorry that you find a few things wrong with a theory, and from then on you discount every part of the theory. I too have found several inconsistencies, but I have discovered a lot of truth there too. As in all theories. My mindset is dynamic, as opposed to static. My mind has a file system, and files are read and written, deleted and recovered as time goes on, and more information is input. I have some files that are unchanged for many years, and some change daily. I have Ideas, not Beliefs. One is static, the other dynamic.
reply posted on 30-6-2010 @ 11:38 AM by Flatfish
reply to post by LUXUS
I can't claim to have read any of Stichin's books, although I do feel that I am pretty well versed on the subject and I would like to offer some explanations to the queries posed in your thread.
First, I agree that, according to Stichin's theories, the Annunaki came here in search of gold which they needed in order to repair their atmosphere on Nibiru. What I don't remember is any mention of the process in which the gold would be utilized as an agent to make these atmospheric repairs, much less any mention of grinding them and dispersing them into the air.
Isn't it possible that the gold was needed as a crucial element in order to enable another device to make repairs to their atmosphere? Much like we use gold for electronic circuitry and connections in computers and numerous other devices here on earth, quite extensively I might add.
I have also read several theories that regard the gold atom as a crucial element in the production, or should I say reception, of zero point energy.
Second, Just because the alleged orbit of Nibiru takes it far out into the cold void of space doesn't necessarily mean that it is incapable of supporting life.
First of all, I believe that Nibiru is supposed to be accompanied by a dwarf or brown star which could provide some necessary heat even if by no other means than it's gravitational pull on Nibiru, as well as other possible explanations.
Have you ever read any of the "Hollow Earth" theories or the recent news releases from the ESA regarding Phobos? How about the Hopi indian legends of living underground for generations here on earth.
IMO, It may be that our natural assumption that all intelligent life must reside on the surface of a planet may turn out to be quite short sided.
Third, regarding your theory that no one would want to wait a staggering 56 years to produce slaves capable of efficiently performing their task, I would suggest that you read the "Terra Papers" by Robert Morning Sky.
One of the first things that one realizes while reading this story is that time, as we think of it, is no limitation when viewing our universe on a larger scale. 56 years is nothing more than a nano second in cosmic time and any highly evolved civilization would know this. They stand by and wait while entire solar systems are formed, do you really think that 56 years would dampen their spirits?
Not to mention the fact that almost every ancient civilization known to man speaks of visitations from ET's in their cultural and spiritual teachings, including the Mayans, the Incas, the Hindus, the Buddhist, the Egyptians, and even the American Indian.
I'm not saying that I am convinced of any of these theories one way or the other but until we learn to open our minds to all the possibilities, we may end up overlooking the truth. I do not believe that we are alone in this universe or even in our galaxy. The odds for the existence of other intelligent life are overwhelming and undeniable.
I can't claim to have read any of Stichin's books, although I do feel that I am pretty well versed on the subject and I would like to offer some explanations to the queries posed in your thread.
First, I agree that, according to Stichin's theories, the Annunaki came here in search of gold which they needed in order to repair their atmosphere on Nibiru. What I don't remember is any mention of the process in which the gold would be utilized as an agent to make these atmospheric repairs, much less any mention of grinding them and dispersing them into the air.
Isn't it possible that the gold was needed as a crucial element in order to enable another device to make repairs to their atmosphere? Much like we use gold for electronic circuitry and connections in computers and numerous other devices here on earth, quite extensively I might add.
I have also read several theories that regard the gold atom as a crucial element in the production, or should I say reception, of zero point energy.
Second, Just because the alleged orbit of Nibiru takes it far out into the cold void of space doesn't necessarily mean that it is incapable of supporting life.
First of all, I believe that Nibiru is supposed to be accompanied by a dwarf or brown star which could provide some necessary heat even if by no other means than it's gravitational pull on Nibiru, as well as other possible explanations.
Have you ever read any of the "Hollow Earth" theories or the recent news releases from the ESA regarding Phobos? How about the Hopi indian legends of living underground for generations here on earth.
IMO, It may be that our natural assumption that all intelligent life must reside on the surface of a planet may turn out to be quite short sided.
Third, regarding your theory that no one would want to wait a staggering 56 years to produce slaves capable of efficiently performing their task, I would suggest that you read the "Terra Papers" by Robert Morning Sky.
One of the first things that one realizes while reading this story is that time, as we think of it, is no limitation when viewing our universe on a larger scale. 56 years is nothing more than a nano second in cosmic time and any highly evolved civilization would know this. They stand by and wait while entire solar systems are formed, do you really think that 56 years would dampen their spirits?
Not to mention the fact that almost every ancient civilization known to man speaks of visitations from ET's in their cultural and spiritual teachings, including the Mayans, the Incas, the Hindus, the Buddhist, the Egyptians, and even the American Indian.
I'm not saying that I am convinced of any of these theories one way or the other but until we learn to open our minds to all the possibilities, we may end up overlooking the truth. I do not believe that we are alone in this universe or even in our galaxy. The odds for the existence of other intelligent life are overwhelming and undeniable.
- 1/2reply posted on 11-7-2010 @ 09:01 AM by enkira
reply to post by LUXUS
Sitchin's books, ideas, theories have the whole academic plethora shaken basically because it touches the very root and foundation of our belief in creation, belief in god/creator and the meaning of our existense.
in the 70's where only the trekkies had laptops, the books written by ZS,VD and other outsiders were a welcome relief from the stereotype information coming from the status quo.
Theories are theories, ideas are ideas and if you think it is implausible or just plain ridiculous, then drop it.
for me the ideas from the books they authored opened up a lot (even cans of worms).
and yet there is no more closer than the truth that yes we are not alone.
in this vast universe, it is more humbling to acknowledge the existense of beings other than us than to stubbornly propagate the we are the only creatures created by a GOD and that we are at the center of all of this.
Sitchin's books, ideas, theories have the whole academic plethora shaken basically because it touches the very root and foundation of our belief in creation, belief in god/creator and the meaning of our existense.
in the 70's where only the trekkies had laptops, the books written by ZS,VD and other outsiders were a welcome relief from the stereotype information coming from the status quo.
Theories are theories, ideas are ideas and if you think it is implausible or just plain ridiculous, then drop it.
for me the ideas from the books they authored opened up a lot (even cans of worms).
and yet there is no more closer than the truth that yes we are not alone.
in this vast universe, it is more humbling to acknowledge the existense of beings other than us than to stubbornly propagate the we are the only creatures created by a GOD and that we are at the center of all of this.
reply posted on 23-7-2010 @ 01:19 AM by enkira
reply to post by enkira
and why gold? ZS interpretation from the sumerian text why they the annuakis need gold may be wanting but here is some interesting notes i can share with you... please check this http add...
www.thirdeyeconcept.com...
this will surely clarify some issues of why they needed gold.
and why gold? ZS interpretation from the sumerian text why they the annuakis need gold may be wanting but here is some interesting notes i can share with you... please check this http add...
www.thirdeyeconcept.com...
this will surely clarify some issues of why they needed gold.
reply posted on 23-7-2010 @ 04:16 AM by andy1033
reply to post by LUXUS
I think obviously the ptb must have people like this working for them, and i think he puts out disinfo. I think jordan maxwell knows alot of the real story regarding this stuff and him.
But op is right i think too its alot of him playing on peoples fantasies.
I think obviously the ptb must have people like this working for them, and i think he puts out disinfo. I think jordan maxwell knows alot of the real story regarding this stuff and him.
But op is right i think too its alot of him playing on peoples fantasies.
reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 11:12 PM by dragnet53
reply to post by andy1033
I like ZS books, but I question about 10% of his 'research'. I have seen some of the works he puts in his books in the Sumerian tablets. There is one thing that brings me in an eye opener and that is why does the creator of all or GOD care about one color of a race. I always see in his books that the white race seems to be always saved or has more important to the Anunnaki gods. But yet I can't find his source on this so called Galzu character that GOD or the true creator of all sent to protect the race. Bleh this makes me sound like a racist. I am just questioning his motives on this because of how in ZS version of the story how Ziusudra was born.
The first born humans were the color of the ground which would of been reddish brown like the Iraqies or native americans. None of the tablets mention noah's color at all. I have read most of the tablets released by Oxford University. I can barely find any Assyrian, Akkadian, or Babylonian tablet translations.
But I am having fun reading these tablets other than ZS works.
I like ZS books, but I question about 10% of his 'research'. I have seen some of the works he puts in his books in the Sumerian tablets. There is one thing that brings me in an eye opener and that is why does the creator of all or GOD care about one color of a race. I always see in his books that the white race seems to be always saved or has more important to the Anunnaki gods. But yet I can't find his source on this so called Galzu character that GOD or the true creator of all sent to protect the race. Bleh this makes me sound like a racist. I am just questioning his motives on this because of how in ZS version of the story how Ziusudra was born.
The first born humans were the color of the ground which would of been reddish brown like the Iraqies or native americans. None of the tablets mention noah's color at all. I have read most of the tablets released by Oxford University. I can barely find any Assyrian, Akkadian, or Babylonian tablet translations.
But I am having fun reading these tablets other than ZS works.
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